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Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Sure, have fun today, but just know that when you wake up in the morning the democrats will still be charging rightwards, nothing Trump implemented will be gotten rid of, and liberal "progressives" now think you should be a laughingstock for wanting better things for people.

In short expect to see a lot of this in the next few days:

https://twitter.com/kurteichenwald/status/1325182996077400064

and much worse in the coming months and years.

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Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Ariong posted:

That's the guy who accidentally tweeted a screenshot showing what hentai he was cranking it to, right?

You know it! A bunch of other awful stuff too. I think the "large sons" also meme came from something stupid he said.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

MonsieurChoc posted:

We're getting a third term of W Bush.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Alaois posted:

are you mad you didn't get the goatse version of the nojoe tag

Not really.

I hope I'm not spoiling your parade.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Alaois posted:

i'd be mad if i didn't get the goatse version

I guess that makes you and I different people with different opinions, and you know what? That's okay! :)

Nuns with Guns posted:

Nobody here is saying "Thank God they elected that rapist I love, now I can go brunch in peace" so can you please go praxis at bots on twitter or something else useful now?

You are correct. No one said those exact words.

But sure, I seem to be upsetting you and Alaois for some reason, so I will take a break from posting if I am bothering you.

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Jamie Faith posted:

I'm so sorry for bringing up the election. :negative: I thought we could all just laugh at Trump, not yell at each other over...whatever it is we're yelling about.

Its fine. don't worry about it.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

sexpig by night posted:

also this, it's a pretty loving hard trick to kick back when the fascists Joe Biden made alliances with like loving Kasich and Powell instantly went all 'hey I know the only major losses were from lovely centrists who avoided M4A and poo poo, and in fact the progressive caucus grew during this pathetic excuse for a 'victory' you sold your soul for, but Joe's gonna put those stupid progressive commies in their place!'

This was the straw that broke the camel's back for me. I was ready to watch Trump break down like an ace attorney villain, but the democratic centrists trying to roll poo poo downhill on the people that helped save their bacon really pissed me off.

Anyway, I agree that the internet was a much better place when there were a dozen message boards, imageboards, and other places instead of just twitter.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Jamie Faith posted:

https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1370572243445645312

Cinema Bobert thinks Shrek is really reactionary or something???? I don't know lol

Bob is basically a Disney PR guy now. This tweet makes more sense when you realize he was probably paid to tweet it.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

It’s weird to see a genuine accusation mixed in among posts complaining about how Game Grumps isn’t as good as it was and about how they make too much money from merchandise, and all the replies talk about this like it’s another complaint about how they’re not funny any more.

It’s like the posters don’t understand the gravity of what they’re posting about and are treating it as another thing to complain about because they don’t like game grumps vs something genuinely bad.

Because they're parasocial vultures, and they don't.

Dan was one of my favorite YouTube guys, so this really sucks. I mean, at least he waited, but that's still really, really loving weird.

At the same time, the issue with Dan reflects a larger issue with rock musicians in general. I don't know if this has been forgotten over time, but sleeping with young fans isn't just considered acceptable in that profession, its considered one of the perks of the job. Every famous rock musician you know, even David Bowie, has done this poo poo, and the ones who haven't are the exceptions to the rule, not the standard. It sucks.

I don't think Arin and Company set out to make a kids show. I think Game Grumps was originally aimed at college students/adults. But a few years in, they figured out that was one of their bigger demographics was kids, and to be fair, they did try to adjust their content to fit this demographic. Arin's a weird man-child though, so there might be something I'm missing.

Clip-On Fedora fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Mar 22, 2021

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Endorph posted:

and also people talking in serious tones like 'does this WARRANT cancellation...' is really funny cause this dude could have literally actually hosed a child and thered be two weeks of hushed tweets about it and hed lose a few thousand subs and then hed go right back to his job like nothing happened, like every other time a youtuber got 'cancelled' in the past 4 years

jontron should have just waited a couple years to bust out the race science

It's this. This is what's going to happen.

I mean, I think even JonTron still has a career.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Terrible Opinions posted:

Hmm yes very normal for someone to gently caress 10+ people who they first met as teenagers while they were in their 40s. Yes very normal coincidence and not at all an intentional pattern of behavior.

Its almost like there's a class of performers in this country that are taught this is acceptable and cool behavior by the media and their peers, and when people join this class of performers, they accept and act on these values!

...nah, that can't be it.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Honestly, it doesn’t seem like much good can come out of engaging with fans privately for extended periods no matter what, just because there’s a bad foundation to any kind of relationship if it’s born of one-sided admiration. I just don’t see how a genuine friendship or business relationship can come out of that.

But I’m guessing that sustained contact mostly happens because someone with a youtube sees a DM and thinks, “They’re infatuated with me. I wonder if they’d let me gently caress them.”

I think its this.

They don't want a friendship or a business relationship. They want to get their dick wet.

Because according to society, that's what cool successful Rockstars/Celebrities do.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

sexpig by night posted:

There have been tons of creators who say poo poo like 'I loving hate when I find out tinder dates are fans of my stuff because it feels so awkward' so while 'power imbalance' is clumsy wording the idea that not everyone feels comfortable loving their fans isn't some crazy idea.

Like, yes, sending someone texts about how you can't wait to be able to gently caress them in your tacky hotel tub when they're underage is about the definition of grooming, it's not a literal felony and nobody is claiming it is but it's loving gross and something typically associated with the most scumbag kinds of celebs.

I'm glad you've found some creators who aren't assholes, but I've come to the point in my life where I believe most celebrities are untrustworthy, sleazy scumbags until proven otherwise. You're lucky if they don't murder anybody.

Like sure, they say 'I loving hate when I find out tinder dates are fans of my stuff because it feels so awkward', but you don't know that they actually think that. They might just be saying that because they think it will trend well.

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Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

sexpig by night posted:

tbh I wasn't surprised when the whole 'believe women unless they accuse democrats' thing happened but I am a little shocked to see it applied to the guy who makes video game dick jokes

Why are you surprised?

Anyway, I think what's really happening here is everyone is getting angry about the proper way to define a sleazoid.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Junpei Hyde posted:

You are allowed to not watch a youtube man if you think he did a sex crime, imo

Don't worry. I don't think anyone's arguing against that.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Sydin posted:

I mean let's be honest, if that person had posted their story and evidence on the regular Game Grumps reddit they would have most likely been downvoted and yelled at to oblivion by stans of the show. A whole component of these allegations is that this has been something that's been known for a while, but gets drowned out due to GG's popularity and Dan's general likeability.

This is also a strong possibility!

sexpig by night posted:

yea another element to this is apparently GG has been AGGRESSIVELY deleting any comments about this on their social media vids and all

Also pretty damning.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Yardbomb posted:

No I know, that also sucks real bad, I wish there was somewhere that it wouldn't be quickly modded under the rug but also a place that's not dedicated to being insane stalker incels or all that KF type poo poo.

Oh no, that place is definitely a snake pit.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

I always thought this op was pretty underrated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SU6AZA810FA

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Well, I know what Pat and Woolie are going to be arguing about on Castle Superbeast this week.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Neo_Crimson posted:

Doubtful, they wisely stay away from drama about other Youtubers.

Pat will probably try to bring it up and Woolie will immediately scream him down like the last time he tried to make fun of the Game Grumps on the podcast.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

There’s also a lot of people who don’t care that he’s a racist suburbanite. They just want to see the fat man who sounds like Timone do goofy voices.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Personally, I think Whedon is a pretty terrible dude, so I don’t really care if people are unfair to him.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

I don't know, Lindsay was trying to take a joke about landlords out of context to prove a very important point this morning, so this is kind of funny to me.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

So they say.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Has twitter ever turned a profit? Their model seems to be putting ads between the tweets, but they’re not hateful or weird enough to fool anyone into thinking that they’re real tweets.

The economy hasn't been real for god knows how long, so who knows?

Edit: Wait, nevermind, the poster above me knows.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Lindsay was right when she said apology demands are about control. They are, especially on social media.

It was probably the right call not to apologize. However, it was probably the wrong call to tell that guy to go home and get his shine box.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

You apologize to friends, family, and coworkers. People you actually know. Not people online. You don't know them, even if you think you do. Maybe people think this is a bitter or cynical or "chuddy" attitude or whatever, but in my experience Chuds love forcing people to apologize, because they love having control over people. So there's that to think about too.

Anyway sometimes apologies aren't enough. Sometimes people are going to hate you no matter what you do. An apology will never fix it. I think its healthier to accept this than believe there's some golden path you can walk where you never upset or offend anyone.


Antifa Turkeesian posted:

Control is not exactly the right word for it, but a lot of calls for online accountability come from someone’s desire to see themselves acknowledged by another so that they know that that they exist, like they need that mirror of another reacting to them so that they have the reassurance of seeing themselves. So it’s always someone with a high-enough profile, but never so big that they obviously post through a publicist—because the apology doesn’t mean anything if the person isn’t seeing and reacting to you when they post. It’s often people who are marginalized or in a bad place, so I don’t mean to sound like I’m accusing people of acting in bad faith or being selfish when they do it.

This is probably true too. I don't know. I'm not interested in keeping this particular discussion going either.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Sarcopenia posted:

If that's the theme park dude, I would just like to point out that he was aggressively defending the Walkers against CTC. I specifically saw him be pretty lovely to Allison about it on twitter. He only seemed to change his tune when the Walkers snubbed him after being one of the last people on their site to defend them, lol.

He always reminded me of LeFou from Beauty and the Beast.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Jamie Faith posted:

Let me put it like this, when you gently caress up, just say sorry and say, like, 90% of people will forgive you and the 10% who keep attacking you, you can ignore them.

VS

Doubling down and :qq: ing over cancel culture and instead, 90% of people will think you're a huge rear end in a top hat ( and they will be correct) and 10% of people will start donating to your Patreon in order to stick it to PC culture or whatever.

Fair enough. I see no lies here, only truth.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

FuturePastNow posted:

Sounds like she doesn't do that, either.

Yeah. That's a problem, isn't it?

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Katt posted:

Remember when thought slime accidentally did an ablemism and they just apologized and people overwhelmingly were like "yeah okay" and it all went away without issue.


The loudest people were fans telling them to not apologize and to double down.

Okay.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Bar Crow posted:

I want an apology for having to scroll past these posts.

You deserve one, but I stand by my principles.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Parakeet vs. Phone posted:

It's depressingly great at leading people down a rabbit hole.

One of the single biggest contributors to the growth of QAnon was supposedly just the sheer number of people who were now stuck at home just seeing what YouTube had to offer. You could watch trending numbers roll along with the lockdowns like clockwork.

It’s almost like Silicon Valley is loaded to the gills with Neo-Nazis!

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Finally watched the Snyder cut of Justice League. I liked it! I agree that it was a little on the short side though.

Also, it was kind of weird that they kept calling the villain Steppenwolf instead of Kalibak, because that was clearly Kalibak and not Steppenwolf.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

DoctorWhat posted:

I do not believe that there is meaningful overlap between K-Hive BlueMaga and "cancel culture" teens.

One grows up to become the other.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

DoctorWhat posted:

You have no evidence of this. You are conflating two groups of people you detest in order to establish, in your mind and for the benefit of an audience, a singular enemy.

Where is your evidence? You wouldn't happen to have a scientific or two tucked under your shoulder, would you?

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

They're the same though. The only difference is time. Both sides care about progressive movements but only when it benefits them. For Blue Maga, its to smear political enemies, to look cool and hip to their peers, and sabotage movements that threaten the life to which they have become accustomed. For Cancel teens, its to smear people they don't like, to look cool and hip to their peers, and to deal with clicks that they don't like. When these movements threaten them or someone they like, they are immediately dropped.

I guess you could say that there are more Cancel Teens that genuinely believe what they believe, but to me that's semantics.

Edit: To adress your edited post DoctorWhat, it wouldn't surprise me if both groups predominantly came from suburbs. That's a pretty big potential demographic similarity to me.

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Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

Actually, its a ratchet and stopper, but I wouldn't want to kick the hornets nest anymore than I have.

Kind of funny to use horseshoe theory in this context though.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

DoctorWhat posted:

I agree with the ratchet-and-pawl metaphor for US Electoral politics. I don't agree with its deplolyment here.

Agreed. That was more addressed at Kim Justice's horseshoe theory comment. It was genuinely confusing to me.

Thank you for clarifying your point, and I honestly I think we are on the same page. But I think there's still a lot of similarities in their dynamic, and demographically I think both groups are mostly suburbanites.

Anyway, I don't think we are going to agree on certain points for this issue.

Antifa Turkeesian posted:

There’s a case to be made that all those kids getting big into online enthusiasm through corporate product like Disney movies are being prepared for a reduced moral imagination and a lifetime of capitalist consumption, as their political enthusiasm is being directed to empty questions like “is Black Panther anticapitalist” and “how is Captain Marvel revolutionary.” Like, there’s an extreme rigidity to the worldview that considers The Last Jedi the totality of possibility for art and politics.

I can see a certain continuity with the Khive specifically in how energy projected outward at a rotating list of impure enemies prevents the poster from having to reflect on the self and ways they might be complicit in bad things or have made mistakes.

Not that I should talk, as I loved tons of dumb poo poo as a teen that I thought laid out the entirety of moral possibility.

That's something that really worries and depresses me honestly.

I had similar experiences as a kid. Honestly I think the biggest difference between Blue Maga and Cancel Teens is that a lot of Cancel Teens are genuinely trying to do good, but they don't know how, because they're goofy teens.

Clip-On Fedora
Feb 20, 2011

DoctorWhat posted:

Thanks for being more civil and charitable to me than I was to you, COF. I guess my last coda on the subject is that, especially for queer teenagers, "suburbia" and "comfort" are not the same thing, and many live in fear of being outed or disowned, which contributes to their maladaptive behavior.

Oh yeah, most definitely. Didn't mean to imply otherwise.


Jamie Faith posted:

I mean it's one thing to be against the neolib "hire more female drone operators!" idpol stuff. That's different. But just saying "idpol is bad" with no clarification, that's always kinda sus to me.

In my experience, people online who are "deeply concerned about Class Reductionism" almost always turn out to be people like Moviebob and, well, Lindsay Ellis. Not saying its always true, but it definitely raises a red flag in my mind whenever someone brings it up. That being said, pieces of poo poo like Aimee Terese and Vaush can go straight to hell.

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Feb 20, 2011

achillesforever6 posted:

Ultimately I'm just cynical in that these people feel more comfortable trying to turn racists to socialism than it is confronting that to make the world a better place they will have to come to turns that their own comfort comes at exploitation.

Really it's amazing on the labor front how we don't learn from history; Labor could have been in a much stronger position if black workers were allowed in the organizing instead of being ostracized and hated for being strikebreakers because the labor movement allowed the bosses to use them that way!

It's no coincidence that American Labor is divided and angry. If the American ruling class can be said to have one talent, its finding ways to divide people.

Assuming you're just talking about Americans, of course.

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