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mary had a little clam posted:Had a thought last night. I'm finishing up a 4th playthrough and some scenes are just a moving and powerful to me as the first time I saw them. The game just emotionally resonates very well. I think it helps that we, the audience, can very easily understand *that* Harry is loving up and why it is a gently caress up but also why Harry is loving up in that particular way. Basically we get the thesis of what Harry is trying to do, the antithesis of what he actually does, and the synthesis of that is both that we find it funny and pathetic but simultaneously become sympathetic to Harry. We want him to stop being a sack of poo poo and do better, because we can see that he could be and do better. This would go out the window if any of Harry's gently caress-ups were presented as being in any way positive, and indeed plays a huge role in why so many players feel so very bad about themselves (rather than say, the game, or the character of Harry) when they (consciously and deliberately or not) make Harry do terrible things, like being a fascist, racist, misogynist utterly vile piece of human waste, for instance. Because the game constantly keeps letting the player understand that this character *could be* better than this.
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Samovar posted:He's a Moralist. He has no self-respect. Is this where we find out that Kim is a piece of poo poo, actually?
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Randallteal posted:"I'm sure your TV series is going to be just fine, Harry. It's not like you sold it to Jeff Bezos. You didn't bargain away your adaptation rights to an infamous union-busting megacorporation owned by a manchild. A dead eyed producer isn't tearing pages out of your manuscript and replacing them with glib co-marketing tie-ins with Legolas and Tom Clancy's Jack Ryan right now." Wanna see ol' Jeffy B in the chair talking to Evrart. Followed by Jeffy B in The Chair.
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christmas boots posted:Garte exists to protect the Whirling-In-Rags Garte is a small business owner. Petit-bourgeois through and through.
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KPC_Mammon posted:My first attempt playing this game was during the breakup of an 8 year relationship and I couldn't finish it because of how devastating it was. I played it a couple years after a bad breakup of a 7 year relationship and it kinda helped to like, really *finish* certain parts of the emotional processing of that. I can't imagine going in with that poo poo still fresh though, holy poo poo.
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VictualSquid posted:True. Tell me more about Bill Gates’ charity.
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Cpt_Obvious posted:There's also the problem that if violence and intimidation delegitimizes power then there has never been a legitimate power since the end of tribal society (for as much as it has ended for the majority of people) -- which imo is a fine stance to have but one that is ultimately unhelpful. I mean you can hold that there has been no legitimate power/authority since the end of tribal society, such as it is. But imo you then must continue by asking the most important question in philosophy: so what? There's obviously still power and authority and its legitimacy or lack thereof is of no concern to its continued existence. So what does the status of its legitimacy actually matter? I think the most interesting conclusion this reasoning can lead you down is that if no power nor authority that actually exists in todays world is legitimate, then you should equally not concern yourself with legitimacy when you oppose said power or authority and try to replace it with something better. It's a waste of time as it will bring you nothing, focus on material reality instead.
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oscarthewilde posted:A pertinent question and answer, but one that might be a bit too cynical. When you look at Derrida's political and legal theory, and his interpretation of Schmitt, he questions the very foundations of the Western constitutional order. Instead of binding law and politics to some abstract conception of justice, he uncovers a much more contingent, violent foundational element within the not-so-moral law. Yet, if law is not so strictly bound by morality and justice, that does not make morality and justice meaningless concepts. Justice is moved from something entirely within law, to a useful measure outside of law, realisable in extra- and intraparliamentary practice and theory: justice becomes possible through deconstructing the law. Legitimacy, in that sense, becomes something much more contingent and conditional than assumed in legal philosophy (is it any wonder that the society described as legitimate by legal philosophers always resembles the theory behind Western liberal democracy. The fact that political practice so often fails to resemble political theory, and the rule of law might be much less strong than expected in those 'necessarily good' Western democracies, is ignored) but is still useful. A legitimate authority becomes a possibility worth fighting for, instead of a meaningless factum. OK, but I'd say that the legitimacy of any to be established legitimate authority must derive from the actions it take to materially benefit at the very least those over whom it holds authority. So imo, any revolutionary struggle should focus on doing that, and legitimacy may then be achieved as a by-product. What I would see as a great possible threat is that people who might otherwise take action to achieve those ends are instead persuaded to inaction because they feel they lack the legitimacy to oppose existing (illegitimate!) authorities and power structures. I don't think you can start from legitimacy and go from there. Legitimacy is part of how you're going to be judged after the fact.
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It's a bit of a gut punch. Just like Contact Mike once suffered!
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The Clare's did nothing wrong. Stop acting like they are the equivalent of the MI.
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EorayMel posted:Every Skill Is Actually Fascist Big Rammstein appropriating fascist imagery as a vaccine against fascism vibes.
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Ersatz posted:You're right about what the game says about Claire, and yet despite that I can't shake the feeling that he'd be a 100% true believer in whatever system could be made to benefit him most personally. Which is why him being in charge of the Union of all things is so jarring. Claire is not afraid to be effective. Not going to build any communism by being nice to the liberals you know. Bloody Pom posted:It says something about this game's writing that despite her being ideologically opposite to so many of my own personal views, I can't bring myself to hate Joyce. She's a selfish scumbag capitalist, but at least she isn't ashamed to admit it. And at the end of the day her desire to help solve the case and avoid needless bloodshed comes off as genuine. She caused the case though. And the tribunal. The mercenaries are only there, hell, even only exist, because her class exists.
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Alchenar posted:I dont think the game explicitly says it, but it is pretty clear that the long term fate of the Union is going to be the one that all groups share where the leadership has eliminated all the potential successor candidates and the next layer down of the organisation responsible for enforcing loyalty doesn't actually care about the ideology at all. So who is the next layer down of the organisation responsible for enforcing loyalty but doesn't actually care about the ideology at all?
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Alchenar posted:She feels bad enough about the situtation that she has shown up personally to try to unfuck it. And how does that go? gently caress Joyce and gently caress her feelings.
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Negotiate? Demand nothing. Take everything.
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Entorwellian posted:Thanks for both recommendations. I am now using a combination of OpenDyslexia and the Font Overwrite add-on in tandem. Whatever you do, just make sure you don't think about how you could've maybe done a lot better in school and all the opportunities you might have lost over your life to date because of this.
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The left huh? Lot of support for seizing the means of production and instituting a dictatorship of the proletariat in that group or were they just snooty liberals?
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Barudak posted:My mom's favorite character after investigation is Cuno. Has potential she thinks What's her opinion on Cunoesse?
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So as great as the tribunal is, this might be the part of it where the 'game as medium' is at it's weakest. From Harry's perspective, he's likely going to wonder for the rest of his life whether there was something he could have done differently to prevent the deaths that take place, and he's never going to know the answer, and he's going to have to carry that poo poo and live with it. If this had been a well-written book or movie the audience would be in the same uncertainty. But we as players get to replay, ask others who played or dig into the code to know for a certainty that we "got the best possible outcome".
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Cpt_Obvious posted:I think you do care, Cuno. I think you truly, deeply care about a lot of things but are too frightened to talk about it. Why is that? What is holding you back from expressing your attachments? This pedo wants to attach himself to Cuno!
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Gaius Marius posted:That can't be a real name, tell them to try again https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoGlE4G8DyE
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Brazilianpeanutwar posted:Skibadee skibadanger : Disco Elysium 2| Pale ranger. Are Americans familiar enough with Scooter to fully appreciate Egg Head? Though I do maintain the original artists Scooter rips off are better. For example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z3KGTbWxslw Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 20:44 on Aug 9, 2022 |
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Wafflecopper posted:I’m not at all convinced that poverty stifles creativity, and it’s not like nobody in Martinaise has any leisure time, otherwise there wouldn’t be a bar or a bookstore. Never heard of a broke artist doing anything *creative*.
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bop bop perano posted:Isn’t it just referencing the question he asks you when you’re trying to figure out the egghead puzzle or whatever before that asking how much is the fish? Which is a reference to this, or is that what you meant? If you want to go deeper on this, the melody Scooter is using here is from a Breton folk song. It was used by Dutch band Bots in 1976 for their explicitly socialist song "Zeven dagen lang". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=le6uFnLwqYU They also translated this song to German and had some success there. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh3Y_jtDADo It's entirely possible Scooter first heard this melody from this.
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The chair serves the interests of the proletariat. It is not wrong.
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Vegetable posted:No one should have to quit their job so their art feels more ~real~ to you. Come the gently caress on. lol at the idea that corporate art can hold value
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Mantis42 posted:A group of burnout failed artists, Marxists all of them, finally get a taste of mainstream success, only for Capital to take their creation from them. The libs fall in line behind the suits once they're given the fig leaf PR speak about toxic behavior and bad thought. How is this not already a subplot from the world of Disco Elysium itself? The real fun part is the libs posting in this thread.
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oscarthewilde posted:the real real fun part is the libs on twitter. their takes are so mind-blowingly bad you really start to doubt the (critical) reading skills of the general internet user Staying away from Twitter is confirmed as a good decision nearly daily. Countblanc posted:what did this person even like about it if not the main writing focus and the art. DE's gameplay isn't exactly gripping I've had this thought pop up in my head about 2 years ago and it pops up ever more frequently as time has gone on: A very significant part of people's enjoyment of video games (and also films) is driven by the musical score. They don't themselves realize this, which is why they hardly discuss it. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 17:01 on Oct 4, 2022 |
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the escape goat posted:my run with points only in physique and motorics and the ultraliberal quest continues to be absurd in the best way. Filled up my thought cabinet to get secondary PSY and INT points, but this has been ridiculous. (Ok, I did put one point into inland and esprit de corps but that’s it) You're not an ultraliberal, Harry. Get the gently caress out of here. Don't be a... 
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Anyway, speaking of Insulindean plasmids, I want to talk about Insulinde. Specifically the word, and where it comes from. In Disco Elysium's world an interesting mix of European languages is used, like Finnish, French, English and Dutch. It is from the latter they likely pulled the world Insulinde. As you may know, the Netherlands used to be a colonial empire, and the biggest, most important colony it possessed was Indonesia, then called the Dutch East Indies. A popular pet name used by the Dutch, though never seeing any official usage, was insulinde. The word deriving from Latin "insula" and "indiae", for Indian Islands. The word Indonesia is derived similarly, but from Greek rather than Latin. From what I can find, English has a similar word, insulindia, which is also sometimes applied to the Dutch East Indies colonies, and/or the Portuguese East Indies colonies, and/or French colonial possessions in the region as well. Though since Disco Elysium uses specifically "Insulinde" as the name of its isola, and features other Dutch references as well, I think it likely the source is the Dutch usage. The most famous Dutch usage is by Dutch writer Eduard Douwes Dekker, aka Multatuli, in his book Max Havelaar. Still seen as the most important Dutch literary work today, it is an indictment of Dutch colonialism in Indonesia written in the mid 19th century, informing Dutch citizens that their wealth originates from the suffering of the Indonesian people, and ends with a direct plea to king William II to intervene on behalf of his Indonesian subjects. It is in this last chapter that we find the passage: "...’t prachtig rijk van INSULINDE dat zich daar slingert om den evenaar, als een gordel van smaragd..." which translates to: "... the beautiful land of INSULINDE which there swings itself around the equator, like an emerald girdle..." The book is credited with majorly contributing to the eventual implementation of the Dutch Ethical Policy some 40 years after its publication. One of the main parts of this was providing education to at least some of the Indonesian population. Just citing directly from Wikipedia here: "Indonesian novelist Pramoedya Ananta Toer argued that by triggering these educational reforms, Max Havelaar was in turn responsible for the nationalist movement that ended Dutch colonialism in Indonesia after 1945, and which was instrumental in the call for decolonization in Africa and elsewhere in the world. Thus, according to Pramoedya, Max Havelaar is "the book that killed colonialism"" The book has been translated in over 40 languages, including Indonesian finally in 1972, where as far as I can tell it remains popular. Also the revolutionary leaders of the Indonesian independence movement featured a significant contingent of communists. Following independence the policy was to position itself in a non-aligned role in the Cold War. As the first president, Sukarno, started relying more on the communist party in the 60s, declaring his government based on "Nasakom", ie. nasionalisme, agama (religions) and komunisme. Guess what happened next? If you guessed US-backed military coup followed by the mass killings of at least half a million communists, leftists, suspected leftists and ethnic Chinese, you are correct, but as usual win no prizes. I can recommend the documentaries "The Act of Killing" and "The Look of Silence" if you want to know more about the mass killing part and also feel horrible. Anyway, I think it likely that's where and possibly why they chose to use the name Insulinde, and now y'all might know some interesting poo poo about that. Orange Devil fucked around with this message at 23:24 on Oct 9, 2022 |
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Staltran posted:To be fair (but you don't gotta had it to him) he probably didn't have any. He's out of bullets when you meet him, and probably hasn't shot anything since the tribunal. The bullet that killed The Hanged Man was probably his very last one. So when you think about it, he did have a bullet for one of the mercs.
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Omnomnomnivore posted:I did fill the thought cabinet, and even replaced a couple of thoughts that weren't doing me much good. And I mostly put points into things to let me retry white checks. I think my favorite random thought was inexplicable feminism, though, for the extra dialogue options. Just like how Contact Mike could never pretend to be what he is not.
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Did it waste your time though? Was *value* lost?
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King Carnivore posted:Mr Evrart will also help you out with some money He will also help you find your gun!
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