greazeball posted:

I feel like someone upthread: when the numbers of new cases per day is finally at something lower than loving crazy number like it is now, then I'll start thinking about doing some indoor or crowded stuff. In about 6 weeks, after my second dose settles in, I'll feel a lot better about going shopping, taking the train and stuff like that. The guilty pleasure I don't know when we'll be able to do again is going to the sauna/baths. I love a day relaxing in saunas and whirlpools and chilling in the sun or shade. It'll be a while before I look at a steam bath with anything but horror.

QuarkJets posted:

You're talking about likelihood of getting infected at all, but that's basically impossible to predict because it's largely behavior based. I think the odds being discussed were "odds of dying of covid-19 after catching it while vaccinated", which is nowhere near one in ten million or whatever

Saros posted:

Of the 40,000 healthcare workers in the study there were of course breakthrough infections but importantly there were zero deaths and only a small handful of serious cases two weeks after first vaccine dose.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

You can't read. Or don't understand context. Or at least you don't know what immunity means.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

You know drat well that when the word immunity is used in normal circumstances it means 100% immunity. No one says immune and means, eh, kind of resistant.

A Fancy Hat posted:

I hate to say it but I've pretty much accepted that some portion of my wife's family will die of covid in the next year because they refuse to get vaccinated or take even the most basic precautions when not forced to.

CaptainSarcastic posted:

An excessive focus on death rates has been part of the problem in getting the virus under control. For a lot of people the odds of dying might be low, but the odds of permanent heart or lung damage, or psychosis, or taste/smell perversion are not well-quantified.

Platystemon posted:

It’s crazy that the same CDC that’s like “Watch out! There’s polio in Malaysia!” is like “Go on down to Denny’s to gently caress and suck in a pandemic. You deserve it.”

Purgatory Glory posted:

Telling people they were entered into a draw to win a million dollars saw upticks. That pushes the population that stats don't register with. Too dumb to know that covid risk vs any fake vaccine risk cooked up, also too dumb to know they won't win the million bucks. I know of people that will get it once it is clear that travel is restricted if they don't. It's ridiculous, if I genuinely though the vaccine was gonna hurt me I wouldn't bend on it.what kind of character does someone have who puts themselves at a perceived risk because they want to travel?

Platystemon posted:

This would be a good idea, but their database is probably incomplete and the person who was wrongly disqualified would sue, and then the person who won on the redraw would sue, and it would all be a big mess.

Better to not let people know if they lost because their name was never in the drawing or was there and simply wasn’t picked.

Mush Mushi posted:

68% of the population double jabbed, 60% of hospitalizations double jabbed? I’m fully onboard with the vaccines but can’t we just admit that this is bad news no matter how you wrangle the data?

We’re starting to sound like the dying with covid people.

Mush Mushi posted:

Call me crazy but I actually I think that a 68:60 ratio would be quite concerning if that were reality. If the vaccine were working as advertised I’d expect it to be under 20% rather than 60%. But this is all based on bad numbers from the UK science man having an accident so it’s moot now.

Mush Mushi posted:

At the time that the 60% figure came out I was observing that based on the current vaccination rates by age group and published efficacy rates I did not expect to hear that 60% of hospitalizations were fully vaccinated. We now know that that factoid was incorrect. I understand that in a 95% vaxxed society a majority of cases will be vaccinated etc., but we aren’t at that level of vaccination yet either, so 95% also isn’t a real number for any age cohort.

Pistol_Pete posted:

Yeah, I've never rated those models: crunching dozens and dozens of variables together and extrapolating outwards results in such a hugely wide range of possible outcomes that I fail to see what use the models are. If you're a leader needing to make decisions and you ask your scientists for a ballpark figure about where they think we'll be in two months time on current trends, being told: "Well, the model predicts somewhere between practically no infections and millions and millions of infections" is of pretty limited use. If you go past the headline results and dig into the small print, it's page upon page of caveats about how they can't really quantify half the variables, so they're either giving them enormous ranges, or just making a best guess.

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

wilderthanmild posted:

I've seen a lot of people implying the change is actually that vaccinated people get infected just as often, but are asymptomatic, which seems to be a mistake, unless they are referring to something that is in neither the CDC leaked slide deck nor the recently published report from the outbreak in MA.

Subtitle, not headline posted:

Infections in vaccinated Americans are rare, compared with those in unvaccinated people, the document said. But when they occur, vaccinated people may spread the virus just as easily.

Crankit posted:

The local blood donation people don't test blood for covid and say there is no evidence for covid being transmitted by blood, is that real?

brugroffil posted:

Lots of people have little trust of the US healthcare system and things that are advertised for "free."

Plant MONSTER. posted:

Hmm.

On one hand, I don't like really like landlords but I kinda agree with this guy, regardless where it falls on the law.

Zzulu posted:

The guy took the vaccine why are you all getting heated

fishing with the fam posted:

Which is why I won't put anything in my body that hasn't existed at least 80 years.

QuarkJets posted:

There is literally nothing that you or I can do or say to make the plague spreaders stop plague spreading

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Someone could poll them and get some actual answers, rather than having us throwing out wild unsubstantiated guesses. I don't see any value in posting "a theory" since it'd just be people shouting their pre-conceived notions about the vaxx hesitant

Mass Wisteria posted:

Hi COVID thread, I just have to vent about this somewhere. So I work in a healthcare facility and recently the higher ups sent an organization wide email about "respecting our co-workers" and I thought, oh they're probably going to address the death spiral of stress a lot of a caregivers are under and how we can be more understanding.

No. No of course not. What is actually disrespectful to your co-workers is talking about or even mentioning getting vaccinated against COVID-19. You see, all of these anti-vax people are feeling SO bummed right now, even mentioning the COVID-19 vaccine within hearing distance of them is a personal attack. So we must be respectful. By not even talking about the vaccine. In the worst surge of COVID-19 patients we have ever had. While working in loving healthcare. We have a mandatory flu shot every year that is required for continued employment.

I'm just so done, I don't even work in clinical care and I am embarrassed to work here.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

Important covid news:

https://twitter.com/michaelcdeibert/status/1422182715546296321

wilderthanmild posted:

But unfortunately Hospitalizations per 100k doesn't follow the same trend



Now I don't know if this is the result of how the data is reported(county of residence vs county of hospitalizations), hospitals maxing out on capacity, or if there really is no reduction in hospitalizations associated with vaccination rate in this case. It's too bad Florida doesn't report deaths by county anymore, since that would probably be less prone to aberrations as long as they reported by county of residence. Maybe I'll try this with another state that does report deaths by county.

Jeza posted:

I mean, I agree fully, but it's a comedically specious argument. You could literally sub in mandatory schooling for 'women having the right to vote' lmfao

liz posted:

https://twitter.com/nbcnewsgraphics/status/1430194833465954312?s=21

Shocking. I don’t get why people continue to have giant rear end weddings, festivals, etc during what is clearly one of the worst points in the pandemic. Common sense just isn’t a thing anymore I guess.

Nessus posted:

It's showing proportional rates of increase. So if California's case growth is down to 19% in the last two weeks, vs whatever it was last month, etc.

Woodsy Owl posted:

So what does the future hold now? I'm seriously asking. Are we (non-shitheads) going to be masking forever? Is the body count going to stay this high every year forever? Is herd immunity even possible if 100% of the population gets vaccinated but it doesn't provide sterilizing immunity?

Stickman posted:

What's your over-under on the asymptote this time.

ikanreed posted:

Honestly, while I blame the chuds first and foremost, the biggest blame is letting the cancer of alt med fester for 50 years now.

rt4 posted:

Why are they rolling this contagious guy out without a mask on? Did they get into the ambulance with him like that?

naem posted:

the fact that delta is ramping up as bad or worse than original recipe covid did, due to so many unvaccinated people taking zero steps for safety, says to me that boosters will eventually be given a full green light as things get bad this winter

I strongly suspect there are some ulterior motives in not saying yes to boosters immediately, similar to the attempt to stop a run on masks to let healthcare get some first by telling the public they don’t need them

a hot gujju bhabhi posted:

We over-relied on an Australian manufactured vaccine which was actually a fantastic idea, but we should have had a back up. No one could have predicted the blood clot issues but 1) they certainly could have predicted that there MIGHT be some sort of issues and a plan B was important and also 2) even the federal government and media handling of the blood clot issue itself was a clusterfuck.

Trust our federal government to take an ostensibly good idea and still completely gently caress up the entire thing.

Ccs posted:

Quebec is 90% eligible single dose, 85% fully vaxxed, I’m double vaxxed, and yet I caught a breakthrough covid infection. gently caress.

First day was sneezing and sore throat, day 2 was less sore throat, more congestion, day 3 has been no sore throat, very little congestion, but coughing and tired.

Neither vaccine dose did much but make me a bit tired so I guess I didn’t have a strong enough immune response.