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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/tk-emlups-te-secw%C3%A9pemc-215-children-former-kamloops-indian-residential-school-1.6043778

Remains of 215 children found buried at former B.C. residential school, First Nation says

The community took it upon themselves to hire a ground-penetrating radar tech to inspect the grounds and found 215 bodies buried. The police do not appear to be getting involved. Good poo poo.

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/canada/here-s-why-it-s-so-hard-to-get-a-campsite-in-ontario-parks-1.5366507

The government said the reselling of permits is out of their hands.

“These operators and individuals are not associated with Ontario Parks. The reassignment of reservations by outside operators or individuals is permitted under provincial park legislation," its spokesperson said. "The park permit must be modified to reflect the new reservation holder."

It seems trivially simple to enforce that the buyer of a park reservation must be the one checking in and to criminalize reselling but I guess that's too complex for this government.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Beelzebufo posted:

Is this a new phenomenon for people? The NDP was in charge of Manitoba until 2016. The consistent patterns across all of Canada is that the one sort of left-of-centre party rules for a time until they wear out their welcome, then the cons take over until they poison the well, rinse and repeat. The PCs weren't going to be in charge forever, but it ultimately doesn't matter because the same stupid system that keeps eventually returning them to power persists.

E: I'm not even trying to be hopeful versus doomposting, but this is just like with Ontario when people seem to think that the PCs are like Republicans with some diehard base and gerrymandered safe zones. That is absolutely not the case. Instead ask yourselves why our other parties are so terrible that they always eventually find some way to piss the electorate off.

I just assume canadian swing voters are like dogs and sort of do things arbitrarily

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Is there any kind of vaccine certificate implemented yet for proof of being fully vaccinated? My buddy from Australia got one, shiny official letterhead and everything.

Bit concerned I get stuck in bureaucratic limbo in case these things become mandatory for travel or whatever because I got one dose in Canada and one in the USA.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Saalkin posted:

My public health unit (Waterloo ON) has a button on their website to verify yourself if you've been vaxed outside of Ontario/canada.

Maybe yours would too?

Thanks, I found something on the website to register my dose. Hoping requirements for vaccination proof don't turn into some weird mess in the next year

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

apatheticman posted:

https://twitter.com/McAllister_Mark/status/1417899366925414404?s=20

Good look Toronto.

Also LOL at the number of people with "catholic" or "christian" in their profile showing their whole rear end.

This is one of those things that kind of just make my eyes pop out because I live nearby, I see people on twitter and reddit just making poo poo up. From my experience its kept clean for the most part and the encampments were nothing like they're making it up to be, yet the most upvoted post on the reddit thread on it making it sound like it's like a third world slum with gun violence, etc. Other people who live nearby and sharing their stories of not really having problems getting downvoted. I don't know if its vote brigading or what, but it really makes me sick.

mila kunis fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Jul 21, 2021

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Starks posted:

It’s so bizarre. There are so many posts about needles in Trinity Bellwoods. One poster said that they “sat down on a bench to comfort their crying baby” and saw 6 needles scattered around them. Another said that the city recently had to test the soil for narcotic levels.

I lived close by for like 6 years (moved recently) and had never even seen a needle in the park. Always felt safe. I know lots of people in the area with kids that take them there. It’s like Redditors are living in a different reality.

Lmao bellwoods is like yuppie central, the biggest litterers in bellwoods were always the kids who come in on the weekend. I don't know if these reddit posts are right wing fantasists or anti-homeless astrotufers from property developers or something

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

EvilJoven posted:

Someone can be opposed to one thing while also wanting better things for everyone but that's lost on a lot of people. I've seen people literally miss work because some shithead stole the wheels off their bike and they can't afford the cost to replace them or lament that they don't feel safe to go to the only park they can afford to take their kids to because they aren't privileged enough to be able to be able to get to the good parks in the nicer (aka more affluent) parts of town but hey guess if you aren't OK with tent cities popping up wherever you're just a chud.

The particular encampments that triggered this discussed are like right next to me, I walk past it frequently and people are just loving making bullshit up about it out of some reflexive need to do vice signalling.

The only argument I'd allow is that the park was too small to be usable as a park with people living there, but that'd bring up uncomfortable questions about the government's housing policy that enough people have been driven to homelessness that they're starting to clog up public spaces on a large enough scale. And in this specific case there's no shortage of other (larger even!) parks to go to, and lakeshore is very close by (with beaches, bike trails, and even more parks).

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
re cop chat its insane how much money they make. Some rear end in a top hat cop in a junior position that was in the news for doing a racism was making 150k+ a year or something ridiculous

e:


https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/peel-police-racist-trlaja-verdict-1.5928255

quote:

Trlaja, he added, has been very remorseful for his actions, apologizing to the family and pleading guilty, indicating he understands his behaviour was inappropriate.
Twenty days without pay amounts to a loss hit of nearly $9,000 in salary, said Cardi, though he added he knows trust cannot be bought back.

mila kunis fucked around with this message at 18:59 on Aug 13, 2021

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
"complicated history"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-vandals-target-a-ukrainian-wwii-memorial-with-a-complicated-history-1.6139297

The Ukrainian Catholic Eparchy of Edmonton called the graffiti "disturbing" and reported it to police.

"This vandalism is part of the decades-long Russian disinformation campaign against Ukraine and Ukrainians to create a false Nazi image of Ukrainian freedom fighters," it said in an emailed statement.

"The translation of the Ukrainian message on our vandalized monument is 'For those who fought for Ukraine's Freedom.'"

The Ukrainian Youth Unity Council said in a statement that recent accusations against its community have been "riddled with disinformation."

"As for those who presume a right to dictate to us about whom we should honour, we invite them to reflect upon whom they are serving when publishing divisive 'fake news,'" the statement read.

Jars Balan, the director of the Ukrainian Canadian Studies Centre at the University of Alberta, said the history of the monuments is complicated.

The memorial in St. Michael's Cemetery was put up to honour the people who fought against both the Soviet army and the Nazis for the independence of Ukraine during the Second World War.

"There's all this history behind this. And in history, context is everything. Horrible things happened in the Second World War," he said. "Difficult decisions, and decisions that may be regrettable in retrospect, were made. But it's hard to put yourself in the shoes of those people who had to make them then."

He said it's easy to refer to them as Nazis, but as a historian, he needs to be objective.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Really appreciate the CBC spending the biggest chunk of that article giving space to apologists for the loving waffen SS.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Arivia posted:

I hope the liberals loving get destroyed over this. A naked power grab election in the middle of the pandemic? No one loving wants this and it’s literally going to kill people. Get hosed JT.

Naked power grabs are cool, and I respect them for it. However I also hope the liberals are destroyed but because of their governance and policies.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

tagesschau posted:

As much as pretending it makes a difference to vote for someone who will certainly finish a distant third (or even fourth) in their riding should be bannable.

Your individual vote is not going to sway the election, vote your conscience.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

EngineerJoe posted:

People who say this should at least identify which party their planning on voting for so we can know in which way its biased.

Elections are about mass politics and appeal, and the responsibility of having enough of it to win a riding is the job of the political party, not the individual voter. The shifting of the responsibility onto individuals is broken brain liberal poo poo that substitutes moral blackmail for actually and credibly offering people anything.

You will not decide the election with your single ballot, the only way to have a meaningful impact is to volunteer your time and energy to convince a statistically significant number of other people to do something specific with theirs.

Your individual vote should absolutely be for whoever you want, and "strategic" voting is for morons.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

HackensackBackpack posted:

True and Singh has also frequently brought up issues that are provincial in jurisdiction.

So?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Any good resources on all the parties' housing policies.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

InfiniteZero posted:

Sometimes that self-serving reason is that the NDP candidate is floating around 15% in the polls and not voting Liberal ends up putting some Conservative fuckhead in power instead. poo poo on people who do this all you want: the problem is that the very thought of letting many CPC members into power feels emergent. I know it's popular around here to say "oh the Liberals are the same thing as the CPCs" but are you not old enough to remember I don't know Stephen loving Harper? Sure, lesser of two evils is absolutely true and everything but the gap in evil (sometimes moreso in specific ridings) is pretty large.

I don't think so. I've seen my quality of life degrade massively under the liberals. Rents being jacked up to the point where I've had to move 4 times in 5 years, one of which was a renoviction. Being able to buy and not have to deal with landlords completely out of reach despite holding down a steady job. They don't give a gently caress about anyone not already on the property ladder, as shown by how much they've funneled towards keeping asset prices up, and I will never vote for them. Luckily they don't need my vote, since the majority of canadians aren't renters.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-housing-plan-1.6151154


If the Liberals are re-elected on Sept. 20, Trudeau said, he would introduce a first home savings account which would allow Canadians up to age 40 to save $40,000 toward their first home and withdraw it tax-free when it comes time to buy. Money added to the account would go in tax-free and could be withdrawn without any taxes owing on possible investment gains.

He said a Liberal government would double the first-time home buyers tax credit from $5,000 to $10,000 — an incentive that would help with the many closing costs that come with buying property.


nothing about reducing house prices, just starving the government of revenue so its easier for you to get into massive levels of debt


i love liberalism

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Tsyni posted:

I have no faith in the Liberals and would never vote for them. I also don't think their plan is great, I just think it's intellectually dishonest to frame it the way the poster framed it. I am sure it wasn't on purpose. This thread just seems needlessly depressing at times.

How the hell is it dishonest?

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Fidelitious posted:

I think this is overthinking it anyway.

Almost no one gives a poo poo who the candidates are in a riding unless a party leader or cabinet minister is there. Or if they're particularly awful.
People vote for parties, not candidates. Which is maybe unfortunate but that's how it goes. Basically every vote is whipped so it's almost irrelevant.

If there ever is electoral reform in this country we should have party lists instead of individual riding candidates because of this.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
PPC apparently polling at 6% in ontario? I'm glad it eats into the right wing vote but that's a bad sign.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Oxyclean posted:

Saw a headline/topic on twitter "Ford government announces new Sept. 30 federal holiday will not be a stat holiday in Ontario" Sounded incredibly dumb at first - sure, just throw away some potential good will and easy political points from the working class.

Then, I looked up why that was being made a federal holiday.

Ontario will not make National Day for Truth and Reconciliation a provincial holiday

Oh. Of course, Ford's gotta appeal to the racists.

Lmao this country can't even bring itself to do a symbolic sop apology for what they did

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Oxyclean posted:

Doug Ford being elected in Ontario kinda gave me big "nothing matters" vibes. Just so many people vote right no matter who or what.

Have a gay friend who would be voting conservative except he thinks they're iffy on LGBT rights. Another who's anyone-but-NDP because they'll increase capital gains taxes. And we're all in the downtown toronto core, not rural alberta.

This is a pretty right wing country.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

ZeeBoi posted:

Oh poo poo the Parry Sound-Muskoka candidate is Revolver Ocelot



Official Policy of Multiculturalism

I am personally opposed to the Official policy of Multiculturalism. It encourages immigrants to keep the values and culture they left behind instead of integrating into Canadian society and adopting Canadian values and culture. In a free society, immigrants have the right to cherish and maintain their cultural heritage, but not at the expense of taxpayers.

what the hell are canadian values

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

flakeloaf posted:



if you were already voting for this fuckin tool, that news would not change your mind

I thought the ppc was just facebook brainrotted boomers but it's got chan morons as well. Very diverse party.

oh lol this guy's a fuckin teacher

mila kunis fucked around with this message at 17:03 on Sep 15, 2021

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
3 centre parties and not a single left wing socialist one is going to approach PPC numbers.

This is not a problem that you can solve via facebook arguments lol. There's ongoing problems in society that our leaders have no interest in addressing, this is going to lead to people being radicalized, and since this country is full of small-c conservatives that radicalization is going to be to the right.

There's also billions of dollars being poured into right radicalization by oligarchs across the world (but primarily america), the left doesn't have that kind of money or any institutions remaining to make their case.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Mr. Mercury posted:

They really, really don't.

Make your case.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

GonadTheBallbarian posted:

lol are you for real

Yes? What's the disagreement with what I said?

The PPC's poll numbers being as high as they are is pretty concerning - the far right in Canada gets way more support than the far left. Communist parties get like 0.02% of the vote, the radicalization here (in any statistically significant sense) is only going one way.

mila kunis fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Sep 18, 2021

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

GonadTheBallbarian posted:

You waltzed in and made a demand like you're a fuckin schoolteacher as if you were owed time from someone.

I asked why someone disagreed with what I said in the debate and discussion forum lol, get over yourself

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

GonadTheBallbarian posted:

Okay Mr. World-revolves-around-me, this is literally what you said:

That's not a request. That's a demand. I kindly suggest you take a little more time wording queries if you want an honest answer.

This is just sad dude.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Evis posted:

I think “make your case” is a fairly common phrase/idiom that doesn’t quite equate to a strong demand. If someone told me those exact words in response to something I said I would consider it a request to elaborate, despite the literal phrasing suggesting it’s a demand to explain myself. Maybe there’s a cultural difference here?

E: I think a literal wording for “make your case” would be more like “okay you have my attention I want to hear what you have to say”, at least to me.

Yeah its no different from saying "ok, go on". loving weird reason to get aggro at someone over

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Crow Buddy posted:

It is made weirder as I think they all agree with one another, but are so mad about it they cannot tell.

I'm not sure what that guy's position was, which is why I asked!

egg tats posted:

https://twitter.com/CTVNews/status/1439247782485938176

this is just the funniest poo poo lmfao no one who wants this believes you JT why bother

lmao

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

MatchaZed posted:

very uninformed populace.

New thread title

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Looks like the NDP got locked out in the GTA again

looking at some sample ridings

Scarboough Centre: 14% this election (so far), down from 30% in 2011
Toronto Centre: 25% (so far), down from 36% in 2013
Beaches-East York: 23% so far, down from 41% (!!) in 2011

I know the NDP is going to try to hide behind the "Trudeau called a pointless election" narrative but this is loving sad

Not sure what the point of this party is if they can't even win anything in dense urban cores full of renters and skyrocketing costs of housing that should be their bread and butter electorate

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Kraftwerk posted:

So think a bit about the shifting demographics here:

As another poster explained, renters aren't active voters the way homeowners are and typically trend younger which also depresses their vote.

But there's more.

Look at Toronto Centre:
In the 1990s and early 2000s most of the stuff east of Yonge St in Toronto Centre was poor and working class neighborhoods. Everything south of Adelaide was industrial railway lands, office towers and non-residential property. You've got stuff like Cabbage Town and some really run down areas that used to have people living in dedicated 1960s-1980s era rental towers. Community housing, homeless shelters, addiction recovery clinics etc etc. Like the overall demographics of Toronto Centre were once heavily impoverished relative to wealthier suburban outskirts. The people with money commuted into town by subway, go train or car.

Now these areas are HEAVILY gentrified. The old railway lands have been repurposed into hip new amenities and condos. There's condos everywhere. The last 20 years has seen the poorer areas being repurposed and gentrified into higher income vertical living spaces for people who want that Toronto lifestyle where everything is easily accessible and they just sleep in the condos. Meanwhile any homeowners who stuck it out got a nice equity boost and either cashed out or are now in a better position financially that a lot of what the NDP has to offer doesn't really benefit them personally anymore so they've skewed liberal.

That leaves us with the renters. Many of these renters are upper income professionals working in financial services, tech and other fields of employment that pay at minimum more than 60k per year and though a lot of their income goes into rent they have good credit, families that bail them out financially and generally are working in fields where ideologically they believe there is a market solution to the housing crisis and thus they're more likely to be liberal than NDP.

A similar mechanic is playing out in the other ridings you mentioned. Plus more affluent people demolishing old homes and rebuilding little McMansions.

Don't get me wrong, the material conditions here are getting dire for people but many of them are still in that market liberal/socially liberal professionals mindset which makes them ideal for parties like the Liberal party. It's not so different from historical trends where centrist pro-democracy free market liberals trended popular with more affluent urban voters while the urban poor leaned hard socialist. Simply put we're either enriching (via equity) or spreading out the left wing NDP vote from Toronto into surrounding regions.

I fully expect Liberals to start picking up seats in Hamilton if current demographic trends persist and the professionals and the companies that employ them start invading downtown Hamilton. Already home prices in Hamilton are exceeding the price of homes in Los Angeles.

EDIT:

If the housing crisis continues unabated, all major parties will begin offering increasingly radical solutions to fix the problem because it'll affect social stability. At that point the party who can sell the best policy is the party who will win a big mandate to deal with the crisis... They're still trying to kick the can down the road. Barring a massive market implosion (which the current ruling party will be holding the bag for) any party could win an election in future if the housing problem gets so far out of hand and they have the most convincing solution to it.

So in short, if the NDP can't convince people they can solve the coming turbo housing crisis but the Tories decide to pull a realpolitik and do something to fix it, they could just as easily sweep Toronto and other areas as people break party lines to serve their self interest.

Good post and that makes sense, thanks.

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
Shocking news

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/nati...-forces-report/

Far-right extremists in Ukraine brag they have received training from the Canadian Forces: report

The study from an institute at George Washington University in Washington, D.C., tracked social media accounts of the far-right group Centuria, documenting its Ukrainian military members giving Nazi salutes, promoting white nationalism and praising members of Nazi SS units.

Centuria members acknowledged on social media they have received training from the Canadian military and have participated in military exercises with Canada. In May, Centuria organizers boasted to their followers that its members currently served as officers in Ukraine’s military and “have succeeded in establishing cooperation with foreign colleagues from such countries as France, the United Kingdom, Canada, the USA, German and Poland,” according to the institute’s report.

[...]

“The Ukrainian military’s failure to check Centuria activities suggests a level of tolerance on its part for the apparent proliferation of far-right ideology and influence within the Armed Forces of Ukraine,” the study warned.

One member of the group has received officer training in the United Kingdom’s Royal Military Academy Sandhurst, graduating in late 2020. Another attended the German Army Officer’s Academy in Dresden in 2019.

In the summer of 2019, Centuria came out in support of a rally held by Ukrainian far-right groups to counter the LGBTQ “Kyiv Pride” event. Centuria released a statement that it supported “right patriots, nationalists, conservatives and Christians currently defending the streets of Kyiv from perverts from the LGBT movement and their left-liberal sympathizers.”

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
How many of these loving Fords are there

https://twitter.com/MichaelFordTO/status/1450893909832474628

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Mr. Apollo posted:

Technically he’s not a Ford. He’s the son of Doug’s sister so he had her married surname. He changed his surname to Ford just before he registered to run for election.

That's pathetic as hell lmao.

Can't wait for this idiot's policies to win out and hunter seeker drones going after cyclists and anyone outside a car becoming municipal policy by 2030 given the trajectory of this province's politics

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

Oakland Martini posted:



How are members of parliament chosen?
a) They are appointed by the United Nations.
b) They are chosen by the provincial premiers.
c) They are elected by voters in their local constituency (riding).
d) They are elected by landowners and police chiefs.

It'd d) isn't it.

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mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011
It's all bullshit anyway. Here's a good resource on the Nazi economy: https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-supermanagerial-reich/

After some initial token gestures towards full employment and social spending, the Nazis went all in on privatizing the economy and massively cratering worker wages, working conditions and living standards. Their economy was unsustainable, except by imperial conquest and slavery, military arms buildups and war. Which is what they proceeded to do.

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