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Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


on most issues they're cool and good but they also take the tired line that Assad did nothing wrong.

so on measure they're better than most MSM sources which shill for every war criminal but Assad

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Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


AnimeIsTrash posted:

Can you provide some citations. Tia

OK I decided to go looking into this more and its mostly nonsense, I'll accept the L for this.

Like the closest I can find is that Aaron Mate was reporting from Syria recently with the Syrian Solidarity Movement and that people were complaining about that. I should have been more critical of why that was.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Corky Romanovsky posted:

I heard that Syrian expats were being blocked from voting at consulates and embassies, but i haven't pinned down any sources. Anyone got anything?

Depends on the country it seems. The USA and France are obviously interested in blocking any legitimacy for the Syrian election.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/5/20/thousands-of-syrian-refugees-and-expats-vote-early-in-lebanon

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Wait Evilweasel is still a mod, loving lol at this dumbass website

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


The TYT / Dore / Kyle fight is the dumbest catfight and extremely funny

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007



https://twitter.com/VaushV/status/1413590944503320576

Stellar comebacks from Vaush here. Really impressive.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Fast Luck posted:

Seriously though where did this clown come from, his twitter reg date is only 2 years ago and he seems to be stupid, why does he have a following, because he says he's leftist but China is still bad?

Vaush's appeal is to former Bernie voters who just want Medicare 4 All, but have to rationalise voting for Biden somehow.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Zmej posted:

I read this thread and was like: "...this has nothing to do with Max lmao". Max you did a racism, you did a sexism, you did a no growth 👏


https://twitter.com/KristinMink_/status/1421712240558977025?s=19

coming from the UK, can someone explain what the point of FTV is if they can't actually get the votes yet? Is there a campaigning advantage to forcing the vote and losing?

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


It would be one thing if he was just going after the CDC for their incompetent and contradictory response, but for some reason he's also attacking NZ and Australia for their response despite it being much more effective and much more similar to China's response.

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1427679508954497028?s=19
https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1429671269331574788?s=19

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


As long as he's not recommending people take the version of Ivermectin made for horses it's fine. Ivermectin at this point needs more research but has become as politicised as masks.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


indigi posted:

it’s a weird strain of contrarianism that’s running amok throughout (at least nominally) anti imperialist Online Bros lately. idk what’s causing it but it’s very weird

I think the issue is that a lot of anti-imperialism is rooted in libertarianism, which is justifiable when you're opposing the union of State and Capital that is the USA, but less so when it comes to China or Vietnam.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


indigi posted:

is there any evidence of this or is it still just the one Brazilian study that got pulled before peer review? is it palliative or recuperative?

There's been a few studies now and most of them are fine if a little short on participants. Only a couple have been retracted due to bad data.

https://ivmmeta.com/

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007



Check the response to that on the website I posted. Basically this is what I meant by a few of the studies using false data, but most of the studies are fine.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Lib and let die posted:

no, chomsky just votescolded anyone that didn't want to vote for the guy that's not releasing the patents lmao

It's interesting to come back to articles like this and just note how little has changed

The only difference between Biden and Trump really is rhetorical, and table scraps like the Build Back Better bill

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/10/the-chomsky-position-on-voting


quote:

Unfortunately, however, since Joe Biden won the primary, the only alternative to another four years of Donald Trump is a Biden presidency. Because another Trump term would cause so much human harm—the rapid acceleration of climate catastrophe, new ways of systematically brutalizing immigrants, a drive toward outright authoritarian measures of repression, escalation of the global nuclear threat, and the further takeover of the courts by an army of young right-wing judges—a Biden presidency has become urgently necessary

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


AnimeIsTrash posted:

This seems like very online bs.

It pretty much is, I think they'd be better pressed to focus on anti-imperialism and not on anti-vaxx mandates.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


The funny thing about Breadtube is including Vaush in it, when basically all the YT video essayists think he's a racist twat

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


KomradeX posted:

HBomberGuy is one of the few people who didn't bitch out and tell people to vote for liberals.

To bad his Facebook group is filled with people that do that and swallow State Department bullshit on face value

Shaun was also really negative wrt to Biden, to the point where Lindsay Ellis bitched about how unserious he was taking this all

https://twitter.com/shaun_vids/status/1323293972161269764?t=QYelYLi4JnsAo_5BsAIPsw&s=19
https://twitter.com/thelindsayellis/status/1323527419853037574?t=d1g8TdIkT9OEbCXltXgD6w&s=19

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


gradenko_2000 posted:

I do also want to point out that it was Khrushchev that sent the tanks into Hungary, and it was Brezhnev that sent the tanks into Czechoslovakia, but "tankie" is always associated with "Stalinism"

would Stalin have taken the same actions, though? the split in the CPGB was over what the USSR was and how it acted, not one particular figure

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

I'm not so sure about that. They definitely orbit around each other in the right wing leftist microeconomy, but I don't think Jackson Hinkle is an Infrared guy.

He's part of that Maupin - Haz crowd, has been on Dore a lot. Its weird. He's usually not as bad as the rest of them but is definitely pushing the same patsoc stuff.

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Crowsbeak posted:

Benny as always being the good Demon Rat sheepdog. https://mobile.twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1561035513057927168

Also what triggers you all about Caleb ? I mean he does more work then Benny ever did against imperialism.

Also lol yeah you’re totally going to get the proletariat on your side by promising to destroy their nation. I know a lot of you think America is uniquely evil. But I have a secret all nations can engage in imperialism and all can also potentially take part in liberation from the imperial project of Wall Street, London, and Langley.

A revolution will inherently destroy one nation-state and replace it with another. The Russian revolution didn't wave the flag of the Romanovs around trying to pick up support from reactionaries, they waved the flag of the proletariat in order to organise the proletariat.

Caleb just really comes off as a LARPer trying to find a shortcut to organising people

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


KomradeX posted:

How stupid does someone have to be to think these dorks are Socialist?

https://youtu.be/YUfwwPAnybI

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


C-Spam, notably a pro-ukraine forum

It's hilarious to see this "throw poo poo at the wall" tactic outside of Haz and Maupin really

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1552747598095781889
https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1562450850639130626

the pro-CIA/Nazi Ukraine Benjamin Norton

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

I kind of tuned out of the gray zone when they started going absolutely antivaxx over covid. Is it good again or are there any other options for non lovely news outlets.

Breakthrough news with Rania Khalek are good, they have a solid focus on anti-imperialism and developing countries

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Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Crowsbeak posted:

I’ll do as the mod asks. I’ll say it shows why Max has left the left and why I have imperialism most easily wins when it has dupes. I guess maybe as Max also looks like he’s a no no to this thread you change the thread name to multipolarista as that is who you all identify with.

like others have said Max is a decent journalist when he's talking about imperialism, he's just got some dumb blind spots

I also don't think disagreeing with Max on what is the left makes you an imperialist dupe

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