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Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
wait the last thread didn't open until August, why are we resetting everything now?

also gently caress the Packers

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Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Just woke up from a nightmare that the Lions had traded up to select a running back first overall

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

*accidentally runs the wrong way and crashes into mjeff and gonz*

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

10/10 pick

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
The main thing about RAS is that it tells you how athletic a guy is, but as the creator himself will note that's not necessarily predictive towards actual NFL production. But when looking at draft prospects, it is an easy way to compare players.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
that is

uh

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Bjay9 posted:

There's no need to argue, every rural part of anywhere is poo poo

Counterpoint: there are rural areas that posess natural beauty, history, or other features that make them appealing and worth visiting or living in, even if most of the locals are terrible.

And then there's the places that make you wonder why humans settled there at all.

(I'm talking about you, Texas Panhandle.)

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Jen X posted:

I don't really know what to say about this, and, like, Tarik Cohen isn't on the Bears anymore

but this is rough and worth reading

https://www.theplayerstribune.com/posts/tarik-cohen-mental-health-nfl-football

Jesus Christ, this whole thing, and especially that note at the end. :smith:

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

SirPablo posted:

Bold prediction: lions will finish with a better record than the bears. Also surprised it's been since 1993 since the lions won the division.

I mean, it's certainly possible. imo how well the Lions will perform really comes down to Jared Goff: If he can play as well as he did in the last third of the season last year, then the Lions could very plausibly secure a break-even or winning record. But if he plays like he did to start the season, Lions are looking at another top 10 pick.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/PrideOfDetroit/status/1533527802301104128?t=LJ6bFfHkVCjwKIZG63j98g&s=19

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/danwiederer/status/1534175974455185409?t=ICPkdCP2ZPNgSPyp_kNAsw&s=19

lol bears

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Hizawk posted:

When Jared Goff is your QB, and you have no backup QB, everyone is your QB.

Hey, it worked against Green Bay!

https://twitter.com/BarstoolBigCat/status/1480247823736131588?t=qfKLE_JEXMhIQYKMBWqDLA&s=19

In other news, a second retirement has hit Allen Park:

https://twitter.com/BenjaminSRaven/status/1535588556424548352?t=kkyP292ien_PRHPpTBdKrA&s=19

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Falconer posted:

I don't know if I can hold any hope for the Lions any more, especially given everything that's happened over the last 30+ years. At least when the careers of Barry and Megatron were squandered I could fall back on an, at one time, all time great hockey team along with a basketball team that won a few championships and was good or great more often than it was bad. Even the Tigers had a few decent runs while the Lions were punching themselves in the dicks by going winless in a season and having a starting QB commit a safety by way of a 15-step drop back (among so many other things).

Nowadays, all four pro sports teams are varying degrees of hot rear end though and I get the feeling that only the Wings have a realistic shot of being decent within the next few years.

Pessimism regarding the Lions is always prudent, but I do think the team is on an upswing. Granted, it's not like things could have gotten much worse from where Quinn and Patricia left the team, but Brad Holmes and Dan Campbell have done a lot to rebuild the team and the culture over the past year and a half. The offensive line in particular could easily be a top five unit if everyone remains healthy, the defensive line is likely to improve massively from the addition of Hutchinson, and the level of talent in the receiver room has skyrocketed from where it was at the start of the season last year.

Granted there's still giant question marks all over the secondary, and Goff is... well, Goff. But there is a lot of reason for optimism, and I'm legitimately excited to see how the team improves this year. And hey, even if they do suck again, like Parallelwoody at least they're fun to watch and I can root for everyone, which is a hell of a welcome turnaround from the Patricia years.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
As someone who had to change a diaper for the first time a few months ago, this video speaks to me

https://twitter.com/Lions/status/1538657628632387584?t=hjnJS1pJ7426k1wUk8qfhw&s=19

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Dexo posted:

Det, Min(x2), maybe Dal all winnable games and then they just have to win more than half of the other games.

Lol at @det not being a toss up

I mean, Detroit does have the better roster at this point. Fields will probably be a better QB than Goff this season, but the Lions are built up enough elsewhere that, absent some horrendous injury luck like what happened last year, I think the Lions are an easy favorite against the Bears at home.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Not gonna lie, I am endlessly amused by these videos. I am really looking forward to seeing all these guys on Hard Knocks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2DWgcFdIaI

Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 05:53 on Jul 10, 2022

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/WorldofIsaac/status/1554078416948830211?s=20&t=327EvVmSJM-j9nFIaKTaqg

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/Lions/status/1555363361109442560?t=4ML1qEBLSBmDqlZzQEYAXw&s=19

https://twitter.com/Lions/status/1555381858011160576?t=ghUtA_E4DfAHSySiXY2mMw&s=19

https://twitter.com/Lions/status/1555296462430474241?t=5mBFS8gojkbVLuzdbORnQw&s=19

Man, if nothing else the Lions' offense should be much, much better than it was last year.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Hizawk posted:

Last year, the Lions offense was absolutely putrid during training camp.

Like legit putrid.

The Lions defense was one of the worst defenses in the league last year.

It's hard to overemphasize how bad the offense was at this time last year. Goff throwing the ball downfield to receivers that can catch passes may seem like very basic stuff, but it is a substantial improvement.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Kopitar posted:

The geniuses at ESPN have rated the Bears oline as the 13th best

https://www.espn.com/nfl/insider/in...-win-rates-2022

amazing


quote:

lmao

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Gonz posted:

It is. That list is an absurdity.

It seems pretty obvious that the dude created a statistical model and then desperately tried to stick with it even as it began pumping out nonsense.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/FreeMotorcadeee/status/1557237667401703424?t=3nfWYomwBvzFdIU1CP6Xmg&s=19

https://twitter.com/colton_pouncy/status/1557543707313930240?t=sR7RTspQ0Eq4fORxTPdw_Q&s=19

I love this team

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

R.D. Mangles posted:

Look at this guy who thinks Touchdown Trevor Siemian isn't taking the Bears to (looks it up) Glendale, Arizona

On vacation?

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Gonz posted:

*in Norm MacDonald voice*

“All the stars are here!”

https://twitter.com/ThePoniExpress/status/1559258207687786496

...why

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
:siren: THE LIONS HAVE WON A FOOTBALL GAME :siren:

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/Justin_Rogers/status/1561381867353432064?t=-fS0cEywZ7WkAftWT5RbUA&s=19

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Comfortador posted:

I am not nearly as confident (shocker) in the other fellow Lion's fans outlook on our Defense hah. It looks like they're going to get clowned on either up the guy or deep passing wise.

I think they'll be better than last year, but that's obviously not a high bar. I think they'll probably get a lot more pressure on the QB, which will help the secondary, but our linebackers are... well, saying Barnes and Rodrigo have potential is about the most you can say for them.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Hizawk posted:

Lions cut Tom Kennedy, AKA #3 for preason receptions this year and who balled out.

It's absolutely staggering to even conceptualize that the Lions had absolutely no WR at this point last year and now have a very deep, very talented WR corps.

Picking up Josh Reynolds last year off waivers was one of those moves that is easily overlooked, but did a ton to help revamp and revitalize the offense.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/nick_underhill/status/1564698982265274370?t=bsk_YkNAiFGWMkwhloz3nQ&s=19

Lions should make a claim, get another pair of brothers on the team.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/1565014116716142594?t=DV-_Q4TzVDX6_vlanjHnuQ&s=19

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Oh come the gently caress on

https://twitter.com/Lions/status/1566888772872142853?t=Jq-ka7iPTfZ5koDx4ehHlA&s=19

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
https://twitter.com/Justin_Rogers/status/1567554591788613632?t=EFAgFe_OQwb0cd_OLXhdJw&s=19

It's gonna be real funny if every year the Lions pick a player they cut to join the coaching staff.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Chicago-adjacent ursines

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Last time I went to a Lions game (last year) the ticket was $50 for a decent seat and I found free parking within eyesight of he stadium.

It also happened to be the game against the Eagles so I definitely got what I paid for.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

humpthewind posted:

All this discussion about ticket prices is moot since the best place to watch football is from a couch wherever you live.

I live in a shack in the mountains and I rely on poor quality streams via really lovely cell signal.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

Danny LaFever posted:

I feel like the Eagles are going to put a beatdown on the Lions. Hopefully, not as bad as last year.

Then again its week 1...

The offensive line suddenly and inexplicably dissolving from injuries has me a lot more worried. If Goff can stay upright the offense should be able to keep up with Philly, but if he's under pressure every down then we're basically hosed.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

CharlestheHammer posted:

I mean the lions fans spent all off season hyping up their D….so that doesn’t seem good

I'm not sure what thread you were reading since pretty much everyone recognized there were huge questions/concerns at linebacker and in the secondary.

The main takeaway of the game for me is that this team can compete, but they still have some major issues to work out. This game could have been an entirely different story if the Lions had made anything of their three offensive possessions after that initial score - but they didn't, they let the Eagles get ahead, and spent the entire rest of the game playing catch-up.

So, yeah. Not mad, but certainly disappointed.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

R.D. Mangles posted:

here's something interesting to consider: da bears

Big if true.

Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp

WoodrowSkillson posted:

Looking forward to 0-17

Unfortunately I think the Packers will probably pick up at least a couple games, but it's nice to dream.

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Acebuckeye13
Nov 2, 2010
Ultra Carp
Some more Lions thoughts:

DeAndre Swift is good. Really, really good. He can't carry the offense by himself, but he's a major threat that teams absolutely can't ignore. Even if you take away his 50 yard run, Swift averaged over 6 yards per carry on 14 runs, and over 10 yards per reception in the passing game. The man is good. But...

Jared Goff needs to throw the ball deep for this offense to work. I looked over every pass attempt in the play-by-play, and Goff overwhelmingly threw short for little effect. At one point in the 2nd quarter, Goff had thrown 10 passes, all short, for 3 receptions, 7 total yards, and 1 interception. But once he began throwing deep, the offense immediately began moving again—a deep pass to Reynolds went for 28 yards, was followed by a deep incompletion, and then a Swift run for 13, and a pass to Amon-Ra for another 13 to take them into the red zone, resulting a few plays later in a touchdown.

We saw this last year in the first half of the season. Goff barely threw deep, and despite the best attempts by Swift and the grab-bag of receivers we had at the time, there was no way to succeed with an offense where the average pass attempt went for less than five yards. But later in the season, once Goff actually started throwing downfield, defenses were spread out enough that players like Swift and Amon-Ra could make the most of their ability to weave through scattered defenders.

I don't know if the issue this game was more with the playcalling or with Goff, but the simple fact is that if the Lions want to win games this season, Goff needs to throw the ball deep early and often. Frankly speaking, it doesn't even matter if he's particularly accurate—all that matters is that there's a credible threat of going deep. If he can do that, then defenses will be less able to defend against runs by Swift, and the offense will be able to move the ball much more effectively down the field. This is also important because...

The defense is deeply flawed. This isn't exactly news to anyone who's been following the team—while the additions to the defensive line raised everyone's hopes that the defense might be marginally competent this year, the deep questions at linebacker and in the secondary remained. I mean, for god's sake, Will Harris is still on the field, this defense was always going to have problems, especially against mobile quarterbacks like Hurts. That said, they weren't a complete trashfire today, and did show up in some big moments. It's also worth noting that the offense did them few favors in this game—the offense went for three consecutive 3 and outs in the first half, taking a grand total of three minutes off the clock and wasting two defensive stops. With a performance like that, it's no wonder the defense quickly became gassed. If the offense had been able to score on even one of those possessions (Or if Goff hadn't thrown a pick six), the game could have gone in a completely different direction.

Dan Campbell is still aggressive. Last year, Campbell set a record for going for it on fourth down. This was partly out of necessity given the desperate situations the team often found itself in, and some wondered if Campbell would ease off on the aggressiveness this season. Well, the evidence so far suggests he's still as game as ever: Campbell went for it on 4th and goal to score a TD near the end of the 1st half, and then kicked onside in the 3rd quarter. Not all his decisions panned out—the onside kick attempt failed, and his use of a timeout near the end of the 1st half ended up giving the Eagles more time to score a field goal that ultimately gave them the margin of victory.

It is worth noting something important: Last year, the Lions faced these same Philadelphia Eagles and got absolutely crushed. I mean truly and completely slaughtered. It got so bad that David Blough was taking snaps at the end of the game (who somehow managed to fumble in that short amount of time). This year, the Lions still lost, but they were much better in every aspect of the game. Goff played better, Swift dominated the field, even the defense managed some highlights. The middle of the game was mostly a cavalcade of fuckups, but they were still able to put enough plays together to be in the game at the very end. If the rookies can develop, if Goff can manage to throw deep, and if some other issues can be ironed out, then the Lions can be a competitive football team. But if they can't do these things... then oh boy, it'll be another very long season.

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