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Blue Footed Booby posted:Truly this is the greatest crime of the supreme court. This type of non sequitur / straw man does little other than try to stifle discussion. No one said it's the greatest crime. You're not engaging with the actual point that's being made, which is that it's pretty self defeating to talk about how the Court is dismantling basic civil rights but also that the people directly and fully responsible for this are good people that she respects. People that dismantle civil rights for others are not good people. They deserve severe punishment, not praise.
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Jaxyon posted:Yes she has to smile and pretend to like the people taking away rights so they don't take away rights harder. The burden of proof is now 100% on you to show that the case decisions of Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, etc. are more progressive because Sotomayor praises them publicly. I honestly can't wait for this data set.
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Jun 21, 2022 22:53
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I particularly love the implication that the speculation you're offering, which is admittedly based on absolutely nothing, is something others should "like" by default. You made a claim, can't back it up at all, and are now acting as if it's a failure on others' part. We have hundreds of years of Supreme Court history to draw on. If you can't find a single example in centuries of history to support your opinion, it's most likely horseshit. Jaxyon posted:
No, they are not sounding like this. People are criticizing her for going out of her way to praise Thomas. She could just remain silent or duck the question in any number of ways. No one's demanding she come out and declare him a fascist and the Court an illegitimate institution (though she would be correct if she did). We get that she has to play the game somewhat. She's not just doing that though- it very much seems like she means it, and that is a moral failure on her part if so. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 00:16 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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The problem with your interpretation is that her chosen tactic absolutely legitimizes Thomas's inexcusable personal and legal choices. But what seems preposterous on its face is that her praise of this irredeemable person somehow results in judicial outcomes that are more progressive and less straight up evil. I "want" her to play the game that does the least harm. She isn't doing that. Until you can show that her defending Thomas as basically a good person with different opinions results in Thomas changing his decisions to be less oppressive, less cruel, and less evil, you're just defending a status quo where fascists are being held up as legitimate arbiters of justice. They aren't, and they never will be. She can say whatever she wants. She's on the Court for life. She's one of the most powerful / influential people on Earth. And she's using that power to praise someone who is one of the most evil people in the country.
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Jun 22, 2022 01:18
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BonoMan posted:I feel like DeSantis is a much more dangerous president than Trump. Being able to accomplish just as fascist things with less of a veneer of bombastic idiot-ness. Am I overthinking that? Trump murdered a foreign head of state and bragged about it on Twitter. He also suggested we use nukes against hurricanes. So yeah, depends on what your definition of "dangerous" is.
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Jun 22, 2022 18:55
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Cimber posted:I wonder though if there is a silver lining. Abortion was pretty much the thing that held a lot of the various conservative groups together. With that gone are we now going to see the high water mark of modern American Conservatism? Will the big tent republicans start fracturing? No. Fascists aren't happy until people are being put in ovens. If anything this will embolden them because they are the only political group (besides capital) being catered to in American politics. The system works for them, and only them. Heck Yes! Loam! posted:honestly the best thing you can do for yourself if you live in a red state is loving leave. My wife and I made a pact a few years ago that if/when Roe gets overturned, we'd leave the US. We'll be in the Netherlands by the end of the year. I know it's a huge exercise in privilege, but gently caress living in a country where dropping my kids off at kindergarten may be a death sentence, or if my daughter ever gets pregnant she'll be forced by the government to carry the pregnancy to term (even if it's life threatening). Today was the line for us. We're out. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 24, 2022 |
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Jun 24, 2022 16:25
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haveblue posted:If you must participate in the GOP primary vote for whoever would most likely lose the general thanks This is the logic the Hillary campaign bought into when they decided to help Trump win the GOP nomination. It did not end well.
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Jun 24, 2022 21:29
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some plague rats posted:Isn't the whole "leave the country" thing just unbelievably privileged nonsense and completely out of the possible reach of the people who are actually going to be effected by this? Remember when Bush won and all the rich white libs were about to move to Canada, and we all dismissed them as idiots, and did any of them actually do it? What's different this time around? You honestly don't see the difference between 2001 and what's happening with SCOTUS right now? Abortion is now illegal in Oklahoma and Missouri, and will be illegal in like 20 other states within a couple weeks.
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Jun 27, 2022 20:43
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Oracle posted:1. its DeSantis and 2. Depends on how badly Trump rips him a new one in the preceding months. If DeSantis is smart, he'll get Trump to drop/ stay out of the race by promising him a pardon, then make every moderate dem in America worship him by going back on the promise. He'd have a 70% approval rating if he backstabbed Trump but implemented a fascist agenda while doing it.
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Jun 29, 2022 01:05
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They are done "sneaking through" poo poo. I would think that's pretty obvious at this point.
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Jun 30, 2022 16:30
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Herstory Begins Now posted:The part where you actually seize power, like what trump tried, and failed at. Then you have to hold onto power during the constitutional crisis and during whatever unrest is ongoing and that doesn't even get into the wildcard of american security institutions which are generally invested in elections mattering. Past a certain point it's all clancychat, but yes they have by far the hardest part still ahead of them They don't need to do what Trump tried to do if they empower state legislators to effectively choose where their states' electoral votes go or how federal elections are held. If the Court rules state legislators can govern their own election rules NOT SUBJECT to even state supreme courts or governors, it's game over and the GOP will enjoy permanent minority rule. (by minority I mean minority of voters, majority of Senate / House seats and the Presidency.) If this happens, the GOP will have no trouble getting 60 senators. The purple states (who almost all have red state legislatures) will just enact obscene voter disenfranchisement and we won't see Dem senators from states like AZ, PA, WI, MI, GA ever again. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Jun 30, 2022 |
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Jun 30, 2022 18:11
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I guess I just don't understand, beyond lol Republicans are evil lol, how a law can be passed in a given state that makes a supposed crime committed in another state prosecutable in the "home" state. If I live in South Dakota, and drive to North Dakota to rob a store, how can South Dakota prosecute me for anything? Or maybe a better example would be, if I drive from a state where marijuana is illegal to a state where marijuana is legal, and smoke a joint in the second state, how can that first state prosecute me for anything?
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Jun 30, 2022 22:23
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Unormal posted:If you're reading this thread and getting hopelessly freaked out about the future predicted by goons in D&D, just remember that the goons in D&D are not any good at predicting the future. A good portion of the level headed posters here have seen this coming since McConnell stole the SCOTUS seat and Biden won the Dem nomination. And it's also worth noting that the one major thing most of us thought would not happen was that Donald Trump would become president. And the reason most of us thought that is because we had more faith in the American people than was deserved. You don't have to be a prognosticator to know that the American federal government has been seized by a reactionary minority and that the outlook is very grim for the next several decades.
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Jul 3, 2022 21:24
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Cimber posted:FWIW, I thought Clinton was going to win and be a 1 term POTUS. I especially thought Trump was sunk after the access Hollywood release. Same. Trump's win instantly radicalized me. I've been cynical about the structure of the US government for a while, but seeing a rapist game show host gain access to the nuclear codes absolutely incinerated any vestige of hope I had in our system. And since that day, I've had a series of letdowns where anyone with the guts to vocalize the true nature of our problems gets ratfucked by the media / party insiders or marginalized. A lot of people are waking up to these harsh realities but I think it's just too little too late, and there are far too many obstacles to reversing any of the massive gains fascists have made. It sucks but I'd rather have a clear, sober image of what's really going on than continue to have naive hopes dashed.
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Jul 3, 2022 22:23
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I AM GRANDO posted:Is trump anything special this time around? He opened the door, but now there are so many like him. Yes, but not as much so as before. He's probably the most recognized name in American political history at this point. But yes, there are a lot of others much like him that have arisen in the last 4 years or so.
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Jul 4, 2022 01:03
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One fewer ultra nationalist running around. Shame Hinckley wasn't as good a shot.
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Jul 8, 2022 05:04
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AOC hamming it up for the camera is so embarrassing. Pretending to be cuffed for a photo op being arrested? That is the sort of poo poo that can undermine an entire movement. What a colossal self own.
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Jul 19, 2022 22:04
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Nessus posted:I realize I am not one of the true yeomen who will decide this eventual race but it seems like reminding people about summer/autumn 2020 has some downside risk. The American public has the memory of a goldfish and I'd bet serious money that most people believe they were better off then than now.
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Jul 23, 2022 06:43
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There was a female 1 star general that got formally reprimanded and demoted to colonel which effectively ended her career. So yeah, worse than a slap on the wrist but not by much. Also, she's made reputable claims that the heinous poo poo was being done mostly by contractors, sent over there pretty much personally by Rumsfeld.
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Jul 25, 2022 03:08
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Debates are pretty stupid anyway. They seem to only ever hurt democrats because, well, the fascist audience has zero interest in the merits of candidates or their positions. Trump gave the 3 worst debate performances in American history consecutively against Clinton and he gained momentum either as a result of or despite it. E: hell even in the dem primaries, Harris disemboweled Biden and all but called him a racist for his stance on the busing issue. He went on to win the nomination and picked Harris for VP. Just lol They are media spectacles and only exist to make ad money and serve as landmines for actual qualified candidates to hurt themselves. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jul 27, 2022 |
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Jul 27, 2022 15:20
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Looks like the us military killed Zawahri, who's been #1 in al qaeda for many years. Biden will undoubtedly try and make this into UBL 2.0
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Aug 2, 2022 00:56
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Jaxyon posted:Maybe Kansas will refind it's leftist roots Currently the state has a GOP supermajority in both chambers and the gov race for Nov is a tossup so I wouldn't hold my breath. Yes the amendment failed but the GOP could pass an abortion ban over even a governor's veto any time they want. I'm guessing they'll wait until Jan to do so. The vote is surprising but not too surprising. A poo poo ton of the people (white women) who voted against the amendment today will go right back to voting straight ticket R in Nov. Racism/bigotry is more important to them than their bodily autonomy. They'll vote to protect abortion as a single issue, but it's not enough of a reason to support giving money to minorities. FLIPADELPHIA fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Aug 3, 2022 |
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Aug 3, 2022 04:42
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Epicurius posted:The reason the constitutional amendment was on the ballot was because in 2019, the Kansas Supreme Court ruled that the Kansas Constitution guaranteed the right to an abortion. So if the legislature passes an abortion ban, that would pretty certainly be stopped by the court. I admit I don't know the specifics of that case, but I think Republican politicians have shown that even when they wear robes, they are not above completely contradicting themselves within the span of a few days let alone years. Also, I can very much see a suit being brought through the courts asserting that the Kansas Constitution is wrong and the current SCOTUS would almost certainly flip and say that it's not a state's rights issue but a sacred protection of unborn life. I'm not saying it's not a good outcome, I'm saying that the media is making this out to be some watershed moment in the debate on abortion, and I just don't see that. The fascists won't give up, they'll use the courts when they can't win through legislation or referendum.
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Aug 3, 2022 13:46
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"Misunderstandings and lethargy perhaps produce more wrong in the world than deceit and malice do. At least the latter two are certainly rarer." - von Goethe
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Aug 3, 2022 21:47
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Looks like child porn was found in the data Jones's lawyers sent over. RIP to a real one
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Aug 4, 2022 13:47
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Blind Rasputin posted:Weirdest thing about this before/after pic is the after pic there appears to be a dark handprint on his abdomen? That's not the weirdest thing IMO
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Aug 5, 2022 17:43
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Why would expanding Medicare piss off anyone caucuses with the Democratic Party? I know it's a rhetorical question but this exposes the rank hypocrisy of the dems. We rightfully decry all of these informal BS rules when they hurt us, but in this instance the pinky swears are entrenching the status quo. gently caress that poo poo. Expanding Medicare to include dental, vision, etc is only a "poison pill" if you don't believe in those things.
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Aug 7, 2022 15:59
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Sinema held the bill hostage in exchange for billions in giveaways for her owners and got PRAISE in the media. Sanders agrees to vote yes, proposes some genuinely good amendments that any sane person must agree are good(and don't threaten the passage of the bill at all), and gets vilified. State of our politics.
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Aug 7, 2022 16:32
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Apparently there are some pretty hefty caveats on the EV tax credit. For vehicles to qualify, they have to have X% of their parts made / assembled in the US and there are sticker price limits that will cut out a good portion of EVs from qualifying. And for the used EV credit, you have to have owned the EV for 2 years and the sale can't be for more than 25k, which again, cuts out a huge number. The bill seems like a massive giveaway to Tesla as it removes the 100k vehicles sold rule, which makes Tesla EVs qualify again (none qualify for the rebate now) and Tesla is US-based.
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Aug 8, 2022 16:31
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If Trump faces actual consequences, I think that emboldens the fascists and A. we get at least one actual terrorist attack in response and B. someone actually competent like De Santis uses the anger to fuel his campaign by giving just enough of a hint that he'll pardon Trump. Not saying the DOJ shouldn't prosecute Trump to the fullest- just saying there may be some serious blowback if anything actually happens. Hell, barring Trump from running again may end up helping the GOP.
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Aug 9, 2022 04:39
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selec posted:I think we crossed the event horizon where hypocrisy matters like 10+ years ago. It doesn’t matter, it’s just a way to pep rally your own team, but doesn’t fundamentally change or affect rhetoric or political leanings. People know everything about our country and history have hypocrisy baked in so we can ignore our own any time we want, while observing it in others. Has all the actual political salience of adding gold fringe to a flag and saying it means something significant. This. "Surely this example of open hypocrisy will move the needle, despite it not doing so since at least 2010" isn't compelling. We're dealing with fascists. Fascists think it's awesome when their side gets away with lying. Sartre's quote about fascists and their knowingly playing word games comes into play here.
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Aug 10, 2022 20:26
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It's been pretty encouraging to read a lot of the analysis in this thread about the bill. After being stuck in several consecutive years of pretty much bad news everyday all day, A little bit of hope on the climate front is very welcome.
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Aug 11, 2022 00:56
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God it must loving suck to wrote political satire in the Year of Our Lord 2022. "Former gameshow host / President hires Cardi B's lawyer to defend against allegations he violated the very provisions he signed into law regarding the handling of sensitive government data" is just so absurd. It's almost too absurd.
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Aug 11, 2022 20:53
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Furnaceface posted:Just the word nuclear freaks a lot of people out, especially boomers who grew up on cold war propaganda. Trump bragging about having or showing off nuclear secrets may just be the one thing that sets all those old fears off. lol no it won't - they will say the evidence was planted by Deep State FBI agents. A majority of Republicans think the election was stolen. There's literally nothing they won't believe in service to their fascism.
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Aug 12, 2022 02:09
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cr0y posted:If they are going into this kind meltdown they know that trump hosed up bad and the feds know. This is just blind retaliation. Fascists are petty enough to do this sort of poo poo regardless of how much trouble Trump's in. They don't need a real justification for tantrums- even the perception of being "targeted" is sufficient for them to engage in this sort of revenge. (IMO)
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Aug 12, 2022 19:47
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Sodomy Hussein posted:There's been a standing kill order on him from the ayatollah in Iran since he published The Satanic Verses. That was decades ago, and the Iranian government didn't always seem to give a poo poo, but that's not the same as rescinding it. Pretty sure the fatwa was rescinded years ago?
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True but how many atheists can you recall going on atheism-inspired murder sprees for questioning the sacred words of Richard Dawkins or whomever. Atheists do believe some pretty stupid stuff and many of them are pretty bad people, but atheism tends to not inspire violence the way religion does, because many / most religions are reactionary.
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StumblyWumbly posted:Counter point: Libertarians are atheist. This is completely false. Some may be, sure, but that's not even the point I'm making. Atheism doesn't inspire people to murder apostates. Atheists don't infiltrate religious events with the goal of massacring adherents. Do atheists do bad poo poo, including murder? Of course. What they don't do is murder people for insulting atheism.
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Yeah I mean, believing that absolute truth exists because bronze age goatherders scribbled some incredibly toxic and lovely rules (like owning women/slaves and sanctified murder) down on a tablet is the exact same thing as rejecting those claims to truth. Same poo poo, same people! E: dropping this derail before it spins out of control, sorry
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Pleasant Friend posted:You might be able to legally run for president from jail, but I don't think you can run as the republican candidate. You don't think the GOP would change their own rules to accommodate Trump? Reminder that they changed the official Republican Party Platform to "we support Trump" (paraphrased)
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