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Hey everyone. Please read the rules in the OP. 
Main rules:
1. Bloodthirst/War Porn: Reveling in the death/misfortune of soldiers or civilians is explicitly and definitively punishable by probation or ban. Please remember that it's human beings on both sides of this conflict. War is not good and people getting hurt and dying is not good, even if it's people we don't like. Don't wish death on people, wish for Russia to pack up its poo poo and go home and work backwards from there. Horndogging for war materiel is weird, don't do it. You've been warned.
2. Posting about posters: NO DISCUSSION OF OTHER FORUMS OR THEIR POSTERS IN THIS THREAD. This will be strictly enforced via time off and/or bans depending how severe the violation is. This includes trying to be cheeky and sly about "some other forums" or "other people on SA" or something along those lines. Everyone knows what you mean, don't try to skirt the rules with vaguery.
3. Accusations and Brigading: No more accusing other posters or forums of being genocide deniers, warmongers, Nazis, collaborators, Russian shills, war fetishists, etc. here without actual bona fide proof. Flinging around words like nazi/tankie/fascist/bloodluster shuts down conversation and makes the thread worse for everyone. This shouldn't need to be said, but don't brigade or taunt other forums or posters. Attempting to troll/concern troll/brigade this thread will get you a threadban and posting in it afterwards will be a $10 fee. If you have an issue with the thread, PM a mod or IK, don't threadshit.
4. This is not D&D: Normal GBS rules still apply. Some people may shitpost, some people may post interesting information, some may just be wondering what the hell is going on. These are all valid ways of posting. We're not going to be enforcing D&D style rules here.
5. No bigotry. Don't post bigotry. No generalizations. No "all Russians are culpable" posts. Using the term 'orcs' or 'hohols' falls into this category.
6. No more reddit-style content garbage. NAFO poo poo and the like is generally cringey and it's just boring white noise. Things that make light of the extremely serious nature of this conflict aren't going to be allowed. Putin Monkey is still okay though, as it was valid before this war even started.
7. No passive voice fear-baiting. Posts like "Don't go on twitter, you guys don't wanna see this horrible video of people getting blown up" is just trying to let people know that you saw some gore and you're hyped up about it. No one needs to know that it's out there at this point. If you want to genuinely warn people about this, message a mod or IK and we'll post it for you.
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Notes on content warnings and what's OK to post in here
- Mental Health warning: we're discussing war and war includes discussions about violence, death, and possibly war crimes committed.
- DO NOT POST CONTENT WITH DEAD BODIES / POOLS OF BLOOD / GORE / DEATH / PEOPLE DYING / ETC. Nothing  ,  that is combat-footage related. This really can't be said enough times. There is a very high threshold for "newsworthy" violent content. If you are unsure if your content could be on the nightly news, you should refrain from posting it and ask a mod or IK beforehand. Things like HIMARS firing or the aftermath of destroyed civilian infrastructure are allowed.
- Examples of videos or pictures that are okay to post: Soldiers driving or walking around talking about the situation on the ground, analysis of the war as it stands today, feel-good stories about puppies and kittens being rescued, people moving in or moving out of Ukraine, John Deere Tractor towing advertisements, financial and military support projects by other countries, changes in leadership, some guy in Ukraine calling Putin an rear end in a top hat, phone calls between Russia soldiers and others (with content warnings), etc.
- Always include a brief description with your link and just don’t spam poo poo. It doesn’t need to be a play by play but something someone can read and determine whether or not they want to see it.
If you don't want the link to auto-embed, uncheck the "automatically parse URL" button below the text field.
- Videos of torture/mutilation of soldiers or civilians are not to be posted or linked in the thread at any time for any reason. If you do you will be taking a long posting break and will be paying 10 dollars or risking your account.
- News coverage can be linked with appropriate content warnings and tags, but don't link anything that shows things in the above content warning, i.e. gore, dead bodies, etc. without mod approval beforehand.
- If you see something that is not following the above guidelines report it and/or PM myself, one of the IKs, or an admin. We will take a look at it and deal with the post as seems appropriate.
If you aren't sure whether or not you should post something, hold off and then DM one of the IKs and we'll let you know ASAP
Make use of the report button: We count on the community to help us out in this. We do take every report into consideration, and we would encourage you to use it if you think rules are being violated. Please don't report people who just disagree with you. That's petty and dumb. If you see a reply you don't like, call out specific posts, not the whole thread.
These rules are subject to change, so please check back every so often. We want GBS to be a great community, even in the midst of all that's going on. If you have any concerns/suggestions/complaints about the rules please PM one of the IKs/mods/admins. We want this thread to stay on topic and be a relatively chill place to read and post about the war. Don't gently caress that up for everyone, we're all going to try and do better.
 For your consideration, here are some anonymized examples of how not to post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIR3grlLmmc
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Also if you want discussion about how admins hosed it up forever or how things should be different, please come to the feedback forum here: https://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?forumid=686 You can make a new thread in there for issues. Use that space so we can fix things and hear you out and this thread can stay on topic.
this forum is utter rear end for any form of discussion. thanks
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Fixing the pipeline wouldn’t have been a huge deal when you take Europe’s industry into account. Destroying it is an empty gesture when there’s nothing dependent on it on the other side.
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Mar 8, 2023 06:40
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If you say peace is good then prove it
Say Russia and its armies should leave Ukraine
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Mar 8, 2023 22:10
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I need the name of this song! Anybody know what it is?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TR1o-f0sn_w
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I am internet diagnosing him with alcoholism
Would be :russia:, but I doubt it.
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He barely looks older than 14.
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macron's handling of ukraine vis a vis french foreign policy is basically throwing a bunch of mario kart bananas ahead of you and driving into them a lap later
too close to home reference
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Apr 18, 2023 18:27
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Or all three of them could have saiyan fusion danced and became the next Tri-Hitler, AKA Adolf Tripler
Didn’t even think of that. Anime really is a gateway
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I wonder how the pope feels about this
He's weighed in
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-says-ukraine-should-have-courage-white-flag-negotiations-2024-03-09/
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Pope says Ukraine should have 'courage of the white flag' of negotiations
ROME, March 9 (Reuters) - Pope Francis has said in an interview that Ukraine should have what he called the courage of the "white flag" and negotiate an end to the war with Russia that followed Moscow's full-scale invasion two years ago and that has killed tens of thousands.
Francis made his comments in an interview recorded last month with Swiss broadcaster RSI, well before Friday's latest offer by Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan to host a summit between Ukraine and Russia to end the war.
Erdogan made the fresh offer after a meeting in Istanbul with his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Zelenskiy. Zelenskiy has said while he wants peace he will not give up any territory.
The Ukrainian leader's own peace plan calls for the withdrawal of Russian troops from all of Ukraine and the restoration of its state borders. The Kremlin has ruled out engaging in peace talks on terms set by Kyiv.
A spokesman for Zelenskiy did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the pope's remarks.
In the interview Francis was asked for his position on a debate between those who say Ukraine should give up as it has not been able to repel Russian forces, and those who say doing so would legitimise actions by the strongest party. The interviewer used the term "white flag" in the question.
"It is one interpretation, that is true," Francis said, according to an advance transcript of the interview and a partial video made available to Reuters on Saturday. It is due to be broadcast on March 20 as part of a new cultural programme.
"But I think that the strongest one is the one who looks at the situation, thinks about the people and has the courage of the white flag, and negotiates," Francis said, adding that talks should take place with the help of international powers.
"The word negotiate is a courageous word. When you see that you are defeated, that things are not going well, you have to have the courage to negotiate," Francis said.
It was believed to be the first time Francis has used terms such as "white flag" or "defeated" in discussing the Ukraine war, although he has spoken in the past about the need for negotiations.
In a statement, Vatican spokesman Matteo Bruni said the pope had picked up on the term "white flag" spoken by the interviewer and used it "to indicate a stop to hostilities (and) a truce achieved with the courage of negotiations".
Last year the 87-year-old pope sent a peace envoy, Italian Cardinal Matteo Zuppi, to Kyiv, Moscow and Washington to sound out leaders in those countries.
"One may feel shame," Francis said about negotiating, "but how many dead will it (the war) end up with? (One should) negotiate in time, find a country that can be a mediator," Francis said, mentioning Turkey among the countries that had offered.
"Do not be ashamed of negotiating, before things get worse," said Francis, who has made hundreds of appeals for what he calls "martyred Ukraine". Asked if he was willing to mediate, Francis said "I am here".
In another part of the interview, speaking of the war between Israel and Hamas, Francis said: "Negotiating is never a surrender".
Last month Zelenskiy said that 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed since the Russian invasion in February 2022 and that tens of thousands of civilians had been killed in the occupied areas of the country.
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You can call out Russian propaganda from a mile away, it doesn't make a difference. Russia has been post-truth for over a century. We're the ones who are new to it.
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NES version of this screen/music is one of the best game over screens ever.
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Man, I should really get into the producing weapons of war business
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My shack is fight
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Apr 10, 2024 08:49
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A real shame that probe wasn’t presented to the forums as a sixer but ran for 100,000 hours.
Six hour special probation
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Won't somebody think of the Hungarians in Transcarpathia???
I had that once. It was no joke. it still itches
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Apr 20, 2024 19:43
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Any Americans still left in that country that didn’t get the gently caress out two years ago deserve whatever Putin does to them.
It'll just target domestic "opponents", people who didn't shout "YES SIR" loud enough
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Article on CNN about some Russian military gains. Yes, it does cite Twitter talking heads, because CNN 
Posting it here for completeness that Russia still has a ton of men, and losing a key city can be devastating to Ukraine as a whole, since battlegrounds tend to end up smoking pile of rubble. You can win the battle, or a war, but loose the long attrition that tends to come when dealing with Russia.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/28/europe/russia-daily-gains-ukraine-military-criticism-intl/index.html
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Vladimir Putin’s forces have made further gains in at least three locations along the eastern front in Ukraine – including for the first time in several months an advance in the northern Kharkiv region – highlighting again Kyiv’s need for ammunition and weapons from the United States and other allies.
Russia’s tactical advances are now daily and reflect the new tempo on the battlefield since the fall of the industrial town of Avdiivka in February.
The gains are generally modest -– from a few hundred meters of territory to perhaps a kilometer at most – but they are usually taking place in several locations at once.
Russian oil refineries and military airfield targeted in drone attack, as thermal energy plants are damaged in Ukraine
Meanwhile, Ukraine’s losses are being accompanied by criticism from influential military bloggers and analysts of the armed forces’ official battlefield updates.
One of Russia’s main efforts is in the Donetsk region. Ukraine’s DeepState monitoring group, which updates daily changes in frontline positions, shows Russian forces pushing forward in eight different locations along 20-25 kms of frontline in one 24-hour period.
Military bloggers on both sides have reported that Russian forces have crossed a water course and taken control of the settlements of Semenivka and Berdychi – which Ukrainian army chief Oleksandr Syrskyi confirmed in a post on Telegram on Sunday. Russia had deployed up to four brigades in offensive operations in the area, Syrskyi said.
A few kilometers to the north, Soloviove is now also reported to be in Russian hands, and the tiny settlement of Keramik at least partially so as well.
“The withdrawal in the Donetsk operational zone continues,” the Ukrainian military blogger Myroshnykov wrote.
Slightly further south, Russian forces are also making headway in the industrial town of Krasnohorivka, entering from the south and the east.
Fierce fighting has been reported around the town’s large brick factory. One Russian military blogger wrote of the battle’s importance: “The liberation (sic) of the refractory plant would actually mean the fall of the Krasnohorivka fortification, as the northern outskirts of the settlement are private buildings, which will be too difficult to defend if the plant is lost.”
Elsewhere, about 180kms (112 miles) to the north, Russia’s forces have also achieved their first successes in almost three months along that part of the frontline that cuts into Kharkiv region.
A Ukrainian army spokesman described Russian forces there as having become “significantly more active” over the past day, while DeepState assessed a Russian advance of between one and two kilometers into the village of Kyslivka.
Overall, the frontlines in this region have been among the most stable since Ukraine recaptured a large swath of territory in Kharkiv region in late summer of 2022.
With withdrawals and losses accumulating, military bloggers such as Myroshnykov and the DeepState site have both taken aim at official Ukrainian communications, accusing the armed forces of increasingly unrealistic updates from the battlefield.
DeepState, in a post on Telegram, published a graphic video of a Russian soldier being killed in a drone strike in the village of Soloviove – but used the clip to argue that isolated incidents can mask the bigger picture, which it accused the military of doing as well.
“You can watch with pleasure forever the video of a Russian (soldier) being torn to pieces,” DeepState wrote, “but nearby there is another location that requires attention: Muscovites calmly moving around the village, keeping it under control. The (Ukrainian) Defense Forces inflict fire damage on them, and one can repeat at least a billion times (on national television) that two-thirds of the village is under the control of the Ukrainian military, but the picture of reality is completely different.”
That assessment – that two-thirds of Soloviove village was under Ukrainian control – was made by Nazar Voloshyn, spokesperson of the Khortytsia operational-strategic group, on Ukrainian TV on Saturday. Nearby Ocheretyne was also still two-thirds controlled by Ukraine, which had things in hand, he said.
For its part, DeepState sees it differently, assessing that Russian troops have been in control of the center of Ocheretyne village, including the railway station, for at least three days. Last week, the monitoring site made a similar complaint against the military accusing “some spokespersons” of incompetence.
Ukrainian army chief Syrskyi appeared to address those concerns in his Telegram post on Sunday suggesting that misunderstandings were due to the fluidity of developments.
“There is a dynamic change in the situation, some positions change hands several times a day, which give rise to an ambiguous understanding of the situation,” he wrote.
But he also acknowledged Ukraine’s overall situation had deteriorated.
“The situation at the front has escalated. Trying to seize the strategic initiative and break through the front line, the enemy has concentrated its main efforts in several directions, creating a significant advantage in forces and in means,” he added.
Ukrainian servicemen on an armored carrier return from the Semenivka battlefield near Avdiivka on March 4.
Ukrainian servicemen on an armored carrier return from the Semenivka battlefield near Avdiivka on March 4. Narciso Contreras/Anadolu via Getty Images
Russia last made small gains in the region in late January and early February, but DeepState assesses a new advance of between one and two kilometers into the village of Kyslivka. Overall, the frontlines in this region have been relatively stable since Ukraine recaptured a large swath of territory in Kharkiv region in late summer of 2022.
Russian forces are also making headway west of Donetsk city, entering the industrial town of Krasnohorivka from the south and the east.
Fierce fighting has been reported around a large brick factory. One Russian military blogger wrote of the battle’s importance: “The liberation (sic) of the refractory plant would actually mean the fall of the Krasnohorivka fortification, as the northern outskirts of the settlement are private buildings, which will be too difficult to defend if the plant is lost.”
Many Western analysts, along with Ukrainian officials, see Russia’s current stepped-up tempo as a precursor to a major offensive attempt later this spring. It is also assumed Moscow wants to take advantage of its significant advantage in ammunition before US supplies – greenlit last week after six months of political stasis – get to the frontlines.
The Institute for the Study of War (ISW) assesses that there will be more short-term setbacks for Ukraine, though without major strategic defeats.
“Russian forces will likely make significant tactical gains in the coming weeks as Ukraine waits for US security assistance to arrive at the front but remain unlikely to overwhelm Ukrainian defenses,” it wrote.
Ukraine’s other major quantitative weakness, which also helps explain recent battlefield trajectories, is manpower. A new mobilization law comes into effect next month, which is expected to improve conscription processes. But Kyiv has proved highly reluctant to say clearly how many more soldiers it needs, while Moscow keeps increasing numbers.
“The quality (of Russian fighters) of course varies, but the quantitative advantage is a serious problem, Rob Lee of Foreign Policy Research Institute, posted on X.
“Without (its) manpower advantage, Russia’s artillery and airpower advantage would not be sufficient for Russia to make gains on the battlefield. The relative manpower situation is likely the most important factor that will determine the war’s trajectory, particularly if Russia can sustain recruiting 20-30k a month,” Lee adds.
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