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Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

LanceHunter posted:

I've heard some compelling arguments for the Fed offering checking and savings accounts (in particular, that they then have a more direct lever for cooling demand by just increasing the interest rates in those accounts, causing more people to want to spend less and save more). One big issue with that is trying to find a way to make this available without causing massive runs on all the other banks as people pulled their money and put it into the new Fed accounts.

I'm in favor of it causing massive runs on all the other banks. :v:

Alternatively, maybe the other banks could do something innovative to keep people banking with them, like maybe not offering insultingly-low savings interest rates or trying to charge you for the privilege of talking to a teller. Maybe bring back lollipops for children.

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Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
I just want them to sort their poo poo out pronto over there, because part of my annual bonus is in RSUs based on the Swiss stock market, and they're just doing loving dandy right now, let's say. Fix your poo poo long enough for me to cash out my bonus and then you can crash all you like. :v:

(yeah yeah, world's smallest violin and all that)

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Hadlock posted:

So hypothetically if you were buying a house this month, would you choose to rate lock today at 6.25% or wait and see what the fed does tomorrow

Rate lock. Related: A big positive about current rates is that absolutely nobody is sending me refinancing spam anymore. :v:

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Hadlock posted:

Hypothetically a 5/1 arm is 6.50 and 7/1 is 6.35, whereas 30 year is 6.675, the spread on total monthly payment is about 4.7%

When I said rate lock, I meant "lock in the rate on your 30 year mortgage and get going with it." Under no general circumstance will I ever, ever recommend an ARM, especially to someone in a HCOL area like where you are buying.



You have much more room to go up than you do down, and a lot more history of up than down in the modernish era. Bite the bullet on a 30yr at 6.675 and then refinance if you get lucky and they go down. If the 4.7% payment spread is painful enough to be worth the risk of an interest shock on a property in Marin, I'd question whether you're financially able to buy the house in the first place.

Bias alert though: I heavily value stable financial prediction over min-max, and I'll take a suboptimal return/costlier approach if it gives me substantial certainty.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Hadlock posted:

So hypothetically if you were buying a house this month, would you choose to rate lock today at 6.25% or wait and see what the fed does tomorrow



So did you rate lock yesterday? :v:

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Volmarias posted:

We reached out to King Madagascar, but could not receive a response as Madagascar has eliminated all outside contact.

In retrospect, it's kind of funny that a flash game about spreading your pandemic across the world was possibly more difficult than in reality because of a built-in assumption that somebody somewhere would give a poo poo in real life.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

ultrafilter posted:

What is working well these days?

I hear that being a billionaire is very profitable!

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

LanceHunter posted:

Yes, the highly monopolistic, corporatized industry of *checks notes* day care centers are only raising prices because of corporate greed and not at all because of rising labor costs.

Day care is also a bad comparator in general because the entire process ought to be subsidized in the first place. The economics of a child-healthy daycare do not really make sense at any scale of labor costs under the privatized US model, at least. Between caretaker-kid ratios (very important to keep low for child-healthy environments), facility rental costs, insurance costs, operational fees, etc etc, any daycare that pays its workers a good wage while providing a good location for your kids is going to be out of price for a large portion of the population. I can't find it at work, but there's a big NPR piece about the economics of scale for daycares and how it seems to fundamentally not work in the modern US economy.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

tumblr hype man posted:

lol what could go wrong with asking my old boss whose mortgage is $1,400/month for a like 1,800 SF rambler what equivalent rents are?

This is reminding me of my grandfather sending my little brother to the grocery store in like 2005 with a list of groceries and a five-dollar bill.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

pmchem posted:

Vanguard is using "machine learning" to predict federal reserve interest rate decisions:
https://advisors.vanguard.com/insights/article/whythefedwillnotcutratesthisyear



Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
On one hand, the entire idea is idiotic. But on the other hand...

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Hadlock posted:

Looking forward to refinancing my 6.25% mortgage when the Fed loses that Mexican standoff and lowers rates to 4.99 for exactly one quarter* :allears:

*in like, 18 months; definitely not any time soon

Gotta admit, it's pretty nice to not get refinance spam all the time from banks now. :v:

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
Did that stat include checking accounts? I bet a lot of people have theirs in checking instead of plain savings, if those are treated differently.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

pmchem posted:

classic pharma success story, like how viagra was an accident

At least this time it’s a useful oopsie instead of dick pills. Well, time for me to apply to jobs there to make sure everything goes to poo poo and the universal order is restored.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Leperflesh posted:

I can easily imagine it, and in fact I can imagine prices continuing to rise, because that's what usually happens.

I can also see it for more cynical / oversimplified reasons.

1) "Nobody can afford a doctor" doesn't make doctors affordable. It just means you declare bankruptcy after your appendix bursts. Somehow, we've decided that this is perfectly acceptable as a society, because it was somehow a moral failing by the patient for not having insurance that covered the $15K scheduled / $40K emergency appendectomy.
2) Homelessness sucks, is growing, and in many places is illegalized. On top of that, some colder or hotter regions, it can be straight-up fatal. Somehow, we've decided that this is perfectly acceptable as a society, because it is a moral failing (?) by the homeless person to be homeless.
3) Much like needing an appendectomy, it ends up that the demand for not being homeless & dying from environmental conditions is pretty high. (Or rather, it's a fairly inelastic demand.)

Instead of going bankrupt, though, you simply don't own the place and you just keep adding more roommates / less features / longer commutes until the numbers work and you have roof+walls. The owner of the house charges whatever it takes to make their money back plus profit, and you add however many roommates/concessions to your life are required to meet the price tag.

And broadly, to conclude: 4) Very few people give an individual gently caress about any random stranger's well-being, which leads to us collectively giving no fucks either. So, between regulatory capture and actual civilian apathy, you end up with a government that makes little to no effort to actually address causes or protect the vulnerable.

As a result of this broad, handwavey argument, I could totally see house prices continue to rise, even if it's to the complete detriment of society.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Ditocoaf posted:

I'm sorry, are you trying to be smart or are you trying to drive engagement on your content? Answer carefully -- algorithmic feeds bless only one of those options, and not a lot of media has survived the last couple decades.

"ECONOMIST REACTS: BIG BRAIN BLOOMBERG PREDICTS ODDS OF RECESSION. YOU WON'T BELIEVE WHAT THEY SAID!" :big font and person making shocked face:

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Agronox posted:

This is interesting:

It always surprised me how well real estate agents have been able to protect that 6%. Maybe there's a crack in the dam.

It'd be great if that poo poo goes away. There's no good (for home buyers/sellers, at least) reason that 6% is the standard regardless of market, realtor, etc etc.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Cugel the Clever posted:

"Historic districts" are exempt, so, whoops!, it looks like our entire rich neighborhood of relatively new build mansions is historic.

From February...

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

pseudanonymous posted:

It’s urealistic and somewhat hypocritical really.

I more or less always assumed that every major power in the EU knows the whole thing is just a means to eventually create weak US-style labor markets and a race to the bottom in wages/organization after they can kill off their own highly-paid labor through import of lower-cost free-movement workforces, plus preventing other nations from having protections against their more-developed export economies. Bonus points if you can blame the less-developed economies for the financial woes you inflict upon them in the process.

But I am also an eternal pessimist/cynic.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

LanceHunter posted:

That assumption seems to be based more on racism/xenophobia than actual data, though. One of the things that really hobbled labor in the US was the anti-immigrant position of a lot of the major unions in the country in the later half of the 20th century, and the resurgence we've seen in the 21st century has been lead primarily by unions like the SEIU that have a larger share of immigrants among their membership.

Fair enough; thanks for that. Probably channeling a good bit of my parents/grandparents in my post.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
The Ohtani thing isn't new, either. When the story broke, sports fans were cracking jokes about how "Ohtani" was a really strange way to spell Bonilla.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/37938979/bobby-bonilla-day-2023-new-york-mets-paid-119m-every-july-1


quote:

The calendar has turned to July 1, and that means one thing: It's time for Mets fans everywhere to wish each other a Happy Bobby Bonilla Day! Why? On Saturday, 59-year-old Bobby Bonilla will collect a check for $1,193,248.20 from the New York Mets, as he has and will every July 1 from 2011 through 2035.

quote:

In 2000, the Mets agreed to buy out the remaining $5.9 million on Bonilla's contract.

However, instead of paying Bonilla the $5.9 million at the time, the Mets agreed to make annual payments of nearly $1.2 million for 25 years starting July 1, 2011, including a negotiated 8% interest.

At the time, Mets ownership was invested in a Bernie Madoff account that promised double-digit returns, and the Mets were poised to make a significant profit if the Madoff account delivered -- but that did not work out.

quote:

Bonilla last played for the Mets in 1999 and last played in the majors for the Cardinals in 2001, but he will be paid through 2035 (when he'll be 72).

Sundae fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jan 11, 2024

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Hadlock posted:

Inflation at 3.9% in December; 3.4% less food and fuel

What's the lower limit for this? If you have a meeting at the factory two states over that makes your widgets and then stay the night in a hotel there, do you owe taxes in that state? Fly to France for business now you owe Macron for that week you were at the conference?

This is dependent on all the different jurisdictions involved. As an example, I had to pay county income tax in both my home county and my working county when I lived in Indiana, and Massachusetts has a commuter income tax for people who live in New Hampshire but work in MA.

It's possible that MLB has a deal worked out that covers the players in exchange for teams being in the state at all, but I have no idea.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

esquilax posted:

They lumped in "Defined Contribution Pension Entitlements" (read: 401k plans) into the pension bucket for purposes of that chart.

Only about half of that millennial bucket is defined benefit pensions, and that includes both traditional and non-traditional DB pension plans, but excludes social security entitlements.
https://www.federalreserve.gov/rele...ll;units:levels

The funny thing is, if you add 401(k)'s in to that number, it becomes a crazy number in a different, far more :stonk: sort of way. $2.5T / 72.24M millennials = $34.6K per millennial. We're not young anymore; that number is horrifying.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

SpartanIvy posted:

But have you considered how much avocado toast we have?

Toast? IN THIS ECONOMY??

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
CapitalOne is "good enough." My cards are through them (one MC one Visa), but I've had them for over a decade now so no idea what their offerings are like these days. They have an OK points program that is decent for travel purposes and they stay out of my hair + no currency-conversion fees. Good enough for what I need, but I'm not exactly a credit afficiando hunting down the best deals or anything.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
Though am ever-increasing frequency of swans may indicate something has changed in your ecosystem.

Goon Investing Thread: Swans are expected. YOLO, No Egrets!

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Hadlock posted:

That's just... An enormous loss of wealth? Are these funds just writing down the loss and moving on?

Not like I know poo poo about gently caress, but I'd venture a guess that there's a bit of the old thing with people's house values going on as well: your house isn't actually "worth more" until you sell it and realize the gains. Maybe the reverse holds true on a long-enough timeline. Hold onto that underwater commercial property as long as you can and ignore the value decline, don't price it in until it's more convenient / comes up enough? If you're hosed either way, might as well hold on until you're a little less hosed?

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
I definitely slack off more during the WFH workday than I do in the office, but I don't really give a poo poo because people call me at all hours of the night anyway. The moment you want off-hours productivity, you lose all right to complain about my on-hours activities. :v:

One of our poor QA guys is responsible for projects on three continents. The guy, as best I can tell, never sleeps anymore. He's in the office at 8AM, he's still there at 6PM, and I get calls and e-mails from him past 10PM (and sometimes past 1AM) regularly. He should be quitting yesterday.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005
Most of that second decile are still closer to working class than actual wealth (given they still have to work for a living) so frankly, if they want to ID as “not rich” that’s still class-consistent IMHO. A pity so many vote against their own interests as working class.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Lockback posted:

Does this include sales folks with customer books because if so hooo boy.

My guess is that customer books will be considered business-critical / proprietary, and then it'll turn into a game of trying to prove your ex-sales dude poached your customers vs definitely totally didn't, just complete coincidence and that's why my coworker contacted them and not me.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

bob dobbs is dead posted:

... california has not had noncompetes for 150 years. washington sometimes has them but lol

California makes up for it by having illegal blacklists and “no-poach” agreements, through. Where there’s a will, there’s a tech company willing to build an app for it :D

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

SpartanIvy posted:

In the last few years I've noticed a big shift in food spending habits from the entry-level people at my company. When I started in 2017 it was not uncommon for a lot of us lower peons to go out to lunch several days a week, if not all 5 days. We work downtown so there's a lot of places that are a short walk. Now we're in office 2 days a week and from what I can tell it's very rare for people to venture out of the office for food. Most people seem to bring their lunch now. When I'm out at lunch and I look around, I also notice a definite lack of younger faces in general. Most people look to be in their 30's or older.

It's probably more than just budgetary reasons. After all, it's a lot easier to prep meals for 2 days a week when you're at home the other 5. And it's certainly healthier.

I see that as well, even among the people who can’t WFH. They are older (in part because young people are brought on as contractors now and have to fight for a permanent job), and they bring their own lunches, not even using the company cafeteria. I’d put it partially to the insane price of eating out and partially that lunch breaks are shorter and shorter / more consumed by working meetings now than they were when we were entry-level. No point going out to eat when you have 20 min until your next meeting, or if you’re going to be on a call the whole time anyway.

Our “entry level” people are in their 30s. There are no 20s in my department that I know of except for an intern.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Gucci Loafers posted:

Wait what?

Tell me more about this, it's blowing my mind. How is Toyota beating American automotive manufactures at trucks?

Yeah I'd like to know this too. The F150 outsells the Tacoma by almost 400% unit count and the Tacoma is (supposedly? I'm not a truck guy) a slightly bigger/more-powerful Hilux. Add to the equation that a lot of truck purchases in the USA are driven by car-culture rather than need or utility, and I don't see how a legal Hilux dethrones the king of big rear end unnecessarily large American God-fearing trucks.

Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

D-Pad posted:

quote:

Both that prowess and that excess were on display recently at the Beijing Auto Show. The exhibition included no fewer than 278 EV models. That’s indicative of a market jammed with 139 EV brands. The already gridlocked Chinese car market didn’t dissuade the Chinese smartphone maker Xiaomi from jumping in, with its first EV offering in the show’s spotlight.

China simply has too many car companies with too many factories making too many cars. Counting both EVs and internal-combustion-engine vehicles, China’s auto industry now has the capacity to produce almost twice as many vehicles as Chinese consumers are buying, according to the Shanghai-based consultancy Automobility Limited. Although oversupply in the EV sector, where demand is still growing, is not as severe as in the legacy business, Chinese automakers are still adding assembly lines. BYD, for instance, plans to more than double its EV production capacity by 2026.

I have a sudden vision of the Chinese bikeshare mountains, but far worse. The saving grace will hopefully be that it's way more difficult to make a mountain of $5000 cars than $25 bikes, but oof all the same at that level of oversupply.

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Sundae
Dec 1, 2005

Hadlock posted:

How does that contrast with petrol car companies at almost exactly a century ago. Seems like there was a cambrian explosion of innovation and diversity until the engineering of how to build reliable and cheap cars was finally settled upon. Morgan famously championed three wheeled sports cars to save weight and possibly aerodynamics

Morgan & Bentley are/were small time manufacturing companies that somehow survived (actually Bentley was bought up by predatory rolls royce in bankruptcy) to the present day

Random US example, Oakland car company was purchased by GM and later renamed Pontiac

TL;DR is this electric cars' cambrian explosion period


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

They already have lots full of junked crap short range first gen EVs - that's just kind of the nature of a rapidly-evolving technology. The battery tech isn't worth doing much except scrap and salvage.

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2023-china-ev-graveyards/

The problem with the cambrian explosion is this stuff. ^^^ Organic poo poo dies off, rots, goes back to nothing. Failed cars / over-production from failed companies sits there leaching poo poo into the environment for the next 100+ years (or catches fire, etc etc). I get that the tech is going to evolve and get better, but in the meantime, massive overproduction is going to leave a mountain of unmanageable waste behind. :(

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