USCE 2023: Please let them shove a camera up your butt

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mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Some depressing and crazy info about the Maine mass shooter.

- The army decided in July that he wasn't allowed to use his service weapon, possess live ammunition, or participate in any live-fire drills after concern about his erratic behavior. The army eventually sent him to a mental health facility for two weeks.

- The shooter tried to buy a silencer from a gun store a few months ago, but the gun store turned him away after he checked a box saying that he had been committed to a mental institution.

- The shop declined to sell him the silencer, but did not report his attempt to purchase it because federal law doesn't require gun stores to send a report to the ATF if they are denied a sale because of a voluntary commitment to a mental health facility.

- His family also alerted the army about concerns regarding his mental health. His family did not do anything to restrict his access to guns, though. They believed he wouldn't actually hurt anyone.

- After the army sent him to a mental health facility, they sent someone to perform a health and wellness check on him. The army representative couldn't find him or get in contact with him for two days and put out a notice to law enforcement about the shooter. The shooter was eventually found and taken home.

- After this event, the army asked the family again to prevent him from accessing firearms because they legally could only do so on the base. His family said they would "try to secure any firearms" he had, but never did.

- Roughly 1.5 months later he committed the mass shooting.

https://twitter.com/CBSNews/status/1719832940740272536

Sure but what does the Army know about guns? You can't interfere with the well regulated militia.

FlamingLiberal posted:

I feel like the majority of the blame here has to be on the Army. They knew he was a problem and kept him around.

Seems like they took away his service weapon(s), and even sent him to a mental health facility. But as long as people can just have/buy guns willy-nilly, this'll keep happening.

# ¿ Nov 2, 2023 16:20

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 09:43

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Mid-Life Crisis posted:

It clearly doesn�t. He didn�t get mental health. Every flag was risen. Taking his guns wasn�t going to stop anything here. He was killing something somehow. All you are wishing is for him to kill himself.

It would've stopped him from shootign 18 people dead. I dunno probably not worth it though :shrug:

# ¿ Nov 2, 2023 19:45

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

socialsecurity posted:

Polls don't matter, until there is a singular outlier that lets me poo poo on my enemies only those matter.

I'm very concerned about sample sizes, polling methods and and response rates, but only if they return results I don't like.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2023 20:58

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

But why didn't Biden give a harder speech to make everything happen? :mad:

# ¿ Nov 10, 2023 15:31

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I don't think even Elon would be stupid enough to just accidentally sing a purcahse agreement worth $40B. More likely is that he wanted to do it to defeat the woke mind virus and unban some of his chud friends, then the value tanked and interest rates spiked and he tried to back out of it.

# ¿ Nov 10, 2023 18:11

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

TBH housing is hosed almost everywhere in the developed world.

I haven't done rigurous reserach but my impression is that a) this is mainly affecting in-demand areas like top cities b) limited supply in those cities not matching the demand c) people viewing housing as an investment instead of a place where you live.

The last one is a biggie imo because it not only drives nimby poo poo but also public policy in regards to a) & b). A few months ago I talked to a colleague and in the past couple of years they bought two apartmetns (in addition to the house they live in) as investment properties. Housing staying flat or becoming relatively cheaper would be a disaster for them.

YMMV of course but there's gently caress all construction going on here and what is build tends 4-5 floor buildings. I actually remember looking into this years ago and there were some studies showing that much taller buildings made sense economically. I was able to find the paper, it's pretty old now but best I have found to date

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228267863_Determining_Optimal_Building_Height

# ¿ Nov 14, 2023 18:25

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

BUUNNI posted:

I do wonder how much of the reduced healthcare spending stat is due to the massive drop in life expectancy in the United States in the past few years.

Besides the horrid maternal mortality rates plus our drop in life expectancy and increased median age definitely make the US an outlier in industrialized nations. Again, it doesn�t seem like it�s going to change anytime soon since both parties largely support the status quo.

I�m sure the more recent maternal mortality rates are much much worse.

It's not even a reduction in spending, its a reduction in spending GROWTH. So it's still increasing just at a more stable growth rate. The gap in actual spending isn't meaningfully decreasing either, outside the one year.

Also lol france

Delthalaz posted:

I�m not sure I follow, are you saying it�s a good thing that lots of kids are reading and agreeing with the Osama bin Laden letter?

Amerikkka deserved it :smug:

# ¿ Nov 16, 2023 07:50

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

KillHour posted:

We learned our lesson and named it after when it happened instead of where it happened. In 50 years, everyone will remember 9/11 but be unable to tell you what happened to the world trade center and the Pentagon and that field in Pennsylvania in the early 2000's.

Should call it AlQ-WTC-911

# ¿ Nov 18, 2023 12:48

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Civilized Fishbot posted:

An important mechanic here - looking specifically at the post you screenshotted - is that early in the morning of Oct 7, it wasn't yet clear that Hamas had killed/was killing a ton of civilians. At first it was only clear that some Palestinians had escaped from Gaza and that they had disabled an IDF tank, it's not horrid to celebrate that.

Here's the experience of learning the news as described by a rabbi I know, who went from "love to see it" to "disgusted to see it":

Can't be bothered to match up timelines to figure out what did the poster know and when did they know it. But I was here on the 7th and you didn't really need to leave this forum to see some interesting takes where this wasn't an excuse. There are posts about civilians being targeted above on the same page where this was posted:

Not linking to hopefully avoid stirring too much poo poo again but it seems that the information can be out there and easily accessible but it doesn't really matter if you just want to own the other "team"

# ¿ Nov 20, 2023 22:21

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Bird in a Blender posted:

The only alternatives I can think of would�ve required a massive amount of money. Like either paying one parent to quit their job so they could become a full-time home schooler with the help of a couple of zoom classes from their normal teacher. Or find tens of thousands of temporary educators and putting kids in like 6 person pods would�ve worked too, but how do you find all those people, and then where do you create all these temporary classrooms?

Really the first option was probably realistic, but would mean funneling like $50k a year to every family, which could be done, but it definitely wasn�t going to happen.

In addition to paying every family $50k, it would also mean taking those people away from their normal jobs. I don't know what percentage of the population has school aged children but it could be like 15%-20% of the workforce? That would be a serious problem.

# ¿ Nov 21, 2023 14:21

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

This is how it's actually bad for Biden... 1/32

# ¿ Nov 22, 2023 11:56

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Bwee posted:

Yes but have you considered that Barney woulda won

Socialism can win if everyone else splits the vote in a FPTP system

# ¿ Nov 23, 2023 02:22

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Only Donald the Dove can bring peace to the Middle East

# ¿ Nov 24, 2023 16:34

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Bodyholes posted:

It sucks what the people in Afghanistan are going through. The problem is the US doesn't have infinite money to support a government forever if it can't stand up on its own feet eventually. We could've stayed another decade and then left and had the same thing happen. I don't think anybody had any great answers for this one.

Ukraine is an interesting situation where the whole west was morally onboard with preventing another western democracy from being overthrown and turned into a puppet for an authoritarian petrostate, so here we are holding off the hordes in another place for an indefinite amount of time without a coherent endgame. Just kinda hoped Russia would give up, but Putin won't and everyone in any position of power is the same ideology as him. The war disrupted global trade and everyone felt the pinch--especially in Europe where far right parties are gaining ground.

There's a coherent endgame for Ukraine - russia is defeated and expelled from occupied territory and things go back to normal. The only problem is that nobody (other than Ukraine obviously) is actually committed to makign that happen.

# ¿ Nov 24, 2023 20:21

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Misunderstood posted:

This is very true, and I think people underestimate just how true it's going to be. I don't think a 10 point Biden victory, or more, is out of the question, and I don't think that because I think Joe Biden is the secret sauce to American electoral success. Trump is performing well in polls right now as the abstract idea of "not Joe Biden, let's just go back to how things were please," he's not going to perform as well when he's Donald Trump. He's an amazingly weak candidate.

Trump was able to drum up some extra support by being the incumbent (12 million more votes), but he drummed up far more support for Biden (18 million more votes than HRC). People paying attention to Trump hurts Trump, and has since January 2017. He's just getting more polarizing, and more incoherent, and more unable to focus on anything but his personal grievances. It's hard to believe, but a lot of people have just straight up fuckin' forgotten what Trump dominating the news every day is like, and they are not going to like it when they are reminded.

People "came out in droves" but Biden only won by 40,000 votes in 3 states. It's an incredibly slim margin considering, well, 4 years of Trump.

I do hope that him being under indictment and/or on prison will depress Trump's vote but the polling isn't enouraging. Yes it's one year out blah blah but Trump should be at 0% now, not a viable candidate.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2023 10:55

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Kchama posted:

That's a quirk of the Electoral College, though. Just because a system has a quirk where certain states are more valuable votes-wise than others doesn't indicate that Biden was unpopular or didn't get any votes. He got 7 million more, or 5% more votes than Trump did.

Yes I know, of course. But the quirk is what gets the president elected, which is what matters in the end, not how (un)popular Biden is.

# ¿ Nov 25, 2023 15:42

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

How is media's and people's attention split between national/state/local poo poo? I've found that if you just tune something out, everything seems much better. What you don't know can't hurt you, after all!

# ¿ Nov 27, 2023 20:35

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

FlamingLiberal posted:

Yeah I guess at some point we got rid of basic computer training? I�m an older millennial so I was like 12/13 or so when the Internet was really accessible

I don't know if training was ever any good (we had basic usage of Word and Excel in school and that's about it), but tech until early-mid 2000s required some effort to figure out. Now poo poo just works (which is mostly good) but means nobody needs to actually understand how poo poo works.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2023 14:59

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

abravemoose posted:

As someone who experienced bullying by teachers, in the 1990s, I feel like this is close to that line. Maybe they'd deserve it?

My fifth grade "Gifted and Talented" English teacher laughed in my face because misspelled "once" as "ounce" in a paper.

My eighth grade Honors English teacher read our assignment grades and then cumulative grades out loud at the beginning of class.

Humiliating me and my classmates accomplished nothing and I remember my classmates saying that fifth grade teacher is when they started to hate school.

Shaming someone for making a mistake while learning isn't at all the same thing.

I'm not a child psychologist or anythign so I don't know how appropriate reading the note out loud really is, but that's the "punishment" for deliberately breakign rules and disrupting the class.

# ¿ Nov 29, 2023 16:10

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

zoux posted:

What happened in the debate such that most everybody is declaring it a disaster for DeSantis? Not that I doubt it, just that you rarely have clear winners and losers in a one-on-one presidential debate, each side has enough spin and media confederates to say We Won no matter what happened.

Yeah I dunno, Fox news (and chuds I assume) are convinced Ron won it, by a lot

# ¿ Dec 1, 2023 16:04

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

zoux posted:

From yet another outlet puzzled by the strange gap between perceptions and reality.

Everywhere else in the world the soft vs hard indicators are following each other like normal. This is something unique to the US. This isn't a "oh I'm trying to say the economy is good when it's bad" I'm saying, look how closely sentiment matches the quant data in other countries: if the indicators are up, sentiment is up, if they're down, sentiment is down, they track almost 1:1. That's why everyone is baffled.

A lot of it is republicans lying about the economy because of partisanship reasons, I guess. Anyway, for some reason we're the only country in the world where the hard and soft indicators are completely disconnected, it didn't start until the pandemic ended, and this is a further confounding variable. The only thing I can think is that we had a much more generous economic support package than anyone else (?) and giving all those people all that money, they got used to having a bunch of disposable income because they were receiving straight free money while spending way less because of the NPIs and now everyone's just mad that they don't have a bunch of extra money?

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yeah a lot more

So maybe check and see what's going on in Singapore

Yeah it feels large degree due to political polarization. I remember seeing a similar overnight perception shift even before covid too:

There's no way anything actually changed instantly but it doesn't really matter.

By all accounts the US seems to be doing relatively great. Not only are the nominal inflation numbers better, it seems there's significant nominal and real wage growth. The data had been posted before, but also anecdotally I hear about people getting 30-40% raises. My last increase was 5% and we had like 18% inflation last year here lol.

I'm sure there are huge long term structural issues, no full communism, etc, but grading on a "real world" curve, the US seem to be getting out of this about as well as possible.

# ¿ Dec 2, 2023 09:49

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

A few days late to the topic, but:

New Zealand to ban mobile phones in schools

quote:

Mobile phones will be banned in schools across New Zealand, conservative Prime Minister Christopher Luxon said Friday (Dec 1), as his fledgling government looks to turn around the country's plummeting literacy rates.

New Zealand's schools once boasted some of the world's best literacy scores, but levels of reading and writing have declined to the point that some researchers fear there is a classroom "crisis".

Luxon declared he would ban phones at schools within his first 100 days in office, adopting a policy trialled with mixed results in the United States, United Kingdom and France.

The move would stop disruptive behaviour and help students focus, Luxon said.

"We are going to ban phones across New Zealand in schools. We want our kids to learn and we want our teachers to teach," he said.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/world/new-zealand-ban-mobile-phones-schools-3958226

# ¿ Dec 3, 2023 19:12

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Didn't they also have a serious mass shooting problem at some point? Hmm...

# ¿ Dec 3, 2023 21:57

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

PharmerBoy posted:

If the response to "The US has a gun violence problem in schools" isn't taking steps to decrease gun violence, but instead is making sure every child has a way to call while terrified in a closet, I don't know what to do with those priorities.

The priority is :blastu:

# ¿ Dec 3, 2023 23:24

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Pablo Bluth posted:

Nobody has claimed the economy is where it should be, and the improvement isn't being shared fairly. But the article raises there's a big difference between how political affiliation affects people's assessment. And both the GOP and the right wing media are past debating in good faith. Their viewers are absolutely incorrectly informed about the state of the world.

They're just blatently lying

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w31010/w31010.pdf#page=48

# ¿ Dec 4, 2023 13:30

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Misunderstood posted:

Don't Gotta Hand It To Them, but wages were falling when that tweet was posted in Feb '22. Not anymore, though.

It's also worth remembering that while wage decreases are very bad, they also are not a super unusual thing in the economy, nor is economic sentiment always horrible when wages are falling. Wages were falling for most of Reagan's presidency.

That tweet is from February (or maybe May) 2023 :confused:

And even if wages were down by a fraction of a percent in one quarter, that would be still substantially lying. And if they were down noticabely for a few quarters, as you say, it just happens periodically in the economy as we can see from the same chart.

quote:

Which leaves you with 3. Everybody else, who is paying the high prices without their incomes going up to the same degree, and there's no particular reason to expect them to feel great at the moment.

Oh hello! Yeah I don't know how common this is in the US but in the tech field here we didn't have the same boom at the start of the pandemic, then had double-digit inflation, and then there were layoffs in the sector so negotiation position was pretty poo poo. Unless you happened to get a promotion during this timeframe, ur hosed.

Levitate posted:

Why do we give a poo poo about what the authors of the constitution and 2nd amendment thought about government at this point. They�re not above reproach, don�t give me this appeal to authority poo poo

The day militant leftists rise up with their AR-15s to overthrow the capitalist government and bring about communist utopia is the day I give them any credit for being pro gun because in the meantime they�re just another group who loves their death toys and fantasizes about using them on their enemies but will never actually do anything but yell about how much they like guns and will justify the horrific numbers because of vague reasons

Any day now!

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 16:04 on Dec 4, 2023

# ¿ Dec 4, 2023 15:55

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Bar Ran Dun posted:

Median and above median are near zero increase. Median individual income is like 45 or 46 k.

The median has seen little to no increase in wages and all of the inflation. That�s very clearly indicated by the graph you posted. Median is between 1.00 and 1.02 now compared to January 2002.

This is bad, this is like the Elephant graph. It is absolutely insane. Here�s the second bit of information one needs to understand why nearly every one thinks the economy sucks. Being poor even with the wage real increase still sucks poo poo and still isn�t really livable.

Inflation also hasn�t been uniform. one can goto nearby stores (within 30 miles) in the same chain and see large variation a 200% variation on the single items. One can see the stocking of many generics is absent from some nearby stores in the same chain.

The data is good on �average� folks specific conditions are are not averages. It�s the exact same situation as globalization and the elephant graph. It�s insane to make the same conceptual error, to be arrogant in the same way over and over again.

It shows real (adjusted) wages increase for over half of the population, specifically the lower incomes which are the ones most struggling with "livable" income. Sucks for IT dorks in the 90th decile. Globalization usually hurts lower-skill/income people more. This is showing the opposite of that. Anyway, I was replying specifically to republicans making poo poo up, not to imply that everythin is super awesome.

# ¿ Dec 4, 2023 17:35

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Chuck Schumer just announced that Democrats have walked away from the negotiations over the emergency aid/supplemental bill and that it is dead.

Schumer says that Republicans were demanding several major changes to immigration law as part of the bill. Democrats were willing to compromise on some aspects, but Republican insistence on including "indefinite detention of asylum seekers and sweeping powers to shut down the immigration system" were too far for Democrats.

The bill was a combination of:

- Humanitarian and military aid for Ukraine.
- Humanitarian aid for both Gaza and Israel and military aid for Israel.
- Money for more immigration judges to process asylum requests faster.
- Disaster relief aid and flood insurance reimbursements for Hawaii, Ohio, Pennsylvania, and New York.
- Approval of sales of U.S. planes to Taiwan.
- Funding for additional inspection technology on the Mexico and Canadian borders to more quickly process vehicles passing through.
- More money for FEMA to fill disaster relief coffers so they aren't required to pass new funding for relief and allow FEMA to act more quickly to disburse money.
- Money to implement a permanent pay reform for national park firefighters that stops them from having their salary cut by 40% if congress doesn't vote to approve every year.
- Money for schools, highways, and rural areas to repair and modify their buildings to be more resistant to natural disasters.
- Additional funding for LIHEAP to provide free and subsidized heating oil this winter.
- Extending the 2021 stimulus bill's provision that subsidized up to $8,000 in child care costs that is set to expire at the end of the year.
- Money to extend a program to provide free internet to low income Americans.
- Reforms and money to encourage the development of enriched uranium and nuclear power to replace sources that previously came from Russia and encourage green energy.
- Money for grants to expand rehab and opioid treatment centers.
- Permanently expand the budget of the "Food for Peace" program that provides international food aid.

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1731735844300435782
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1731775118844547315
https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1731776439358243307

Oh very cool, hopefully russia decides to take a break while this is resolved.

# ¿ Dec 4, 2023 23:05

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

single-mode fiber posted:

Tax vehicle axle weight by a power of 4 and engine cowl height by a power of 2 and you'd probably start getting somewhere.

Limit vehicle speed based on a maximum energy cap. It will make a lot of people really mad :v:

# ¿ Dec 5, 2023 19:33

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Kalli posted:

Included in that group would be people who want to transition off gas. EV's weigh about 25-30% more and hybrids around 20% more then the equivalent gas car.

They'll just have to drive a bit slower :shrug:

will help with safety and energy consumption related emissions too
it's not a serious proposal and never gonna happen

# ¿ Dec 5, 2023 20:00

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

What options did he get on the truck

Hog cooler vent

# ¿ Dec 5, 2023 20:57

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

FLIPADELPHIA posted:

I don't have any data to support this, but anecdotally, I think it's also important to mention that our media has been rubbing themselves raw with "Finance Expert Brian Shithead says Economic Collapse Is Right Around The Corner" for the better part of 2 years. Anyone with any kind of social media or news feed has been inundated with this poo poo for a sustained period. Combine that with 50% of the population believing this is the worst economy since the Great Depression because a communist is President, and the actual real number of people who are answering in good faith and also struggling (this number is not anywhere close to zero) then the larger picture makes more sense. People are swayed by what they read, and whether maliciously or just for clicks, the story of the last few years has been "the economy is doing well but actually that's terrible news because _______".

That's my impression. "Economy sucks" isn't a new thing, as others have posted, responses to these questions tended to correlate pretty well, and still do in e.g. Europe.

GlyphGryph posted:

Err... wouldn't these numbers make it equally likely the median American has seen their real wages go down? They'd be right on the border between the increase and the decrease, so it could technically go either way, I guess, but I don't know how you're claiming "that means the median American..." from that data.

Also, is that individual or household?

It's also worth comparing this to what is the historical norm. The baseline for most people would be higher - about 6% real wage growth per year is what we had in the 2010s for the bottom 50th percentile, and is the rate most people would probably consider to be "the economy is doing well". A real wage growth at less than half of that would not be something they'd think is good. People hope their lives get better over time, especially after the scrimping and saving they had to do during the pandemic, not to stay roughly the same despite all that uncertainty and sacrifice.

I posted the actual chart a while ago.

Median and above are roughtly flat, everyone below that like before the pandemic.

mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Dec 7, 2023

# ¿ Dec 7, 2023 16:13

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

zoux posted:

https://twitter.com/metzgov/status/1732791096491577616

Former middle school principal will have this on his permanent record.

I still think it was an accident but whatever.

Was it one of those emergency exists that automatically triggers the fire alarm? Otherwise I don't see how you could do it by accident.

# ¿ Dec 7, 2023 18:33

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

mawarannahr posted:

How does stopping funding lead to genocide?

Without support, Russia eventually wins and ethnicly cleanses the country of "Ukrainians" because those are just brainwashed russians of course

# ¿ Dec 10, 2023 23:39

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

I don't think Bush promise to exterminate the vermin an purge the marxists and communists on day 1.

Anyway there's a new genre of "this is bad for Biden"

https://jasher.substack.com/p/crime-in-2023-murder-plummeted-violent

# ¿ Dec 11, 2023 16:06

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Nervous posted:

Can I have the upper left half? Assuming we're cutting on a diagonal here.

Dibs on the middle part

# ¿ Dec 14, 2023 06:10

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Jones also had lots of money to hide from his FrogTech merch and what not, which Rudy probably doesn't have

# ¿ Dec 15, 2023 23:15

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Google Jeb Bush posted:

Yeah the more data i've seen on this line of argument the more worried I've gotten. I'm hoping I'm right and the Vibes Economy is just taking a while to catch up to Biden's policies and the actual metrics, but if I'm wrong, then something is terribly wrong with not just the immediate future of the Democratic Party, but the overall progressive/left conceptual model of "just do things to improve people's material conditions, dumbass".

i think there's plenty of evidence at this point that it's just not that popular (as opposed to being super popular, actually, but not allowed to succeed by THE MAN). Like you could've just voted in Bernie. Or look at many European countries with honest to God communist parties. People can just go vote for actual commies! Nobody is stopping them, but they don't.

# ¿ Dec 24, 2023 00:17

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Discendo Vox posted:

In brief some of the dissertation material from 1997 included plagiarism of an unambiguously clear form; the source wasn't reliably cited and it's clear Gay started with the source text and didn't really even try to paraphrase. Subsequent plagiarism during her career was somewhat more ambiguous because they involved descriptions of procedural or technical elements where the exact description is pretty mandatory. This Crimson article does the best summary and breakdown of each alleged case.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2023/12/12/allegations-plagiarism-gay-dissertation/

A lot of the alleged plagiarism looks to my eyes to be real stretches. None of this was the sort of plagiarism you might expect after, say, watching that hbomberguy video; there's no indication that Gay's some sort of constantly plagiarizing fabulist.

That article has examples from before 97 too:

Some of the authors say they don't feel like they were plagiarized but by the standards I've been taught, I'm pretty sure I would get an F for the entire course if I was caught lifting entire sentences without attribution.

Like with Hunter, it would've never been discovered if it wasn't for the politics, but he did gently caress up with taxes and the gun, and she did with plagiarism and getting into stupid arguments. I don't see why they should be exempt from consequences.

AlternateNu posted:

Guarantee you if that happened, 90% of the engineers at SpaceX would just jump ship from federal service and relaunch under another name w/o (or maybe with?... I hear lots of conflicting reports from acquaintances at SpaceX) Elon at the helm.

Just nationalize it again

# ¿ Jan 4, 2024 05:35

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# ¿ May 13, 2024 09:43

mobby_6kl: Aug 9, 2009; by Fluffdaddy

Kagrenak posted:

I agree with what you wrote, but she is still a tenured professor which makes basically any argument that she was asked to resign over only/mostly plagiarism pretty weak. Plagiarism is an even bigger deal for professors than the head administrator.

Well they should fire her from that too. BTW several big-name politicians in Europe had been forced to resign because their academic work was found to have been plagiarized. Same logic applies imo, you wouldn't want someone dishonest to be in charge of the government either, even if it's not an academic position.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2024 23:36

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