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Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
So if the people that chuds don't like both start arming themselves for self defense and also committing mass shootings I wonder if chuds will change their stance on gun control from 100% against to gun control for only certain types of people.

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Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

I think it is likely those two factors. We probably won't ever know exactly what if they don't make it public.

But, Bill O'Reilly/Glenn Beck/Judge Piro or whoever were their big moneymakers too. It is probably part of the dominion settlement/being the most public face of the group that cost them almost $800 million. I'm sure they will find someone who will replace them. The silver lining is that it is probably going to be impossible to find someone who is willing to go as far as Tucker did with his wild white supremacist normalization.

Returning to Hannity-style partisan Republican and "immigration/urban decay" dog whistling during prime time is probably an effective improvement, but there will still be tons of lovely things aired on Fox in the coming years.

Laura Ingraham is still on Fox right? Pretty sure she's a barely closeted Nazi. She will probably get Tuckers spot.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

zoux posted:

We're talking about audiences in the low 100ks at best, he was drawing 3.5m a day on Fox, there is no better place he can go. I'm sorry, you're just going to have to accept that this is unalloyed good.

https://twitter.com/donlemon/status/1650533617636966400

Bad day to be a piece of poo poo cable news anchor, it seems

So Twitter being the poo poo show it is these days I can't tell if this is real.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
I guess the Don Lemon firing is real I just got a CNN alert for it. So yeah... Big deal I suppose did anyone really like that guy?

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Zophar posted:

Place your bets, treason or sex pest

I think both are very likely. All of the various texts and emails that were dug up during the Dominian hearings, I could see some really problematic communications between Tucker and Russian agents being unearthed. His narratives on the Ukraine war this last year have been literally the same as Russian propaganda channels. I doubt he came up with that all on his own.

Or Fox found Tuckers "mychildsexcrimes.txt" and canned him for that. We may never know.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
I don't know how to navigate Twitter so I just screenshotted this. But maybe part of the reason why Fox canned Tucker was that apparently he's a pedophile (who would have guessed?) This is absolutely disgusting:

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

the_steve posted:

I imagine it will at least be mitigated with the "It's either us or the Bad Orange Man will come back" shaped whip they used in 2020.

Plus there's plenty of comfortable young people who come from families with money who will be tripping over themselves to flood social media with the narrative that life has never been better and we're in a new golden age, and anyone who disagrees is a Russian propagandist.

I think it's just going to make young people even more apathetic and they'll bother not turning out even more than they already do. Which is not good because they are already the most apathetic group that turns out the least. But in recent years it looks like the youth turnout has been improving and that's what made the difference in the midterms if I'm not mistaken. So it's a really bad time to do anything that will gently caress them over.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
So realistically how hard will it be to find internet porn in Utah after the ID bill passes? Like ok pornhub won't be available but what about the 100 billion other porn sites? Will Utah have some kind of great firewall like China?

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

DarkCrawler posted:

I mean...can't you just use VPN?

I was talking about regular people. Not goons.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Yellen said we could default as early as June but before then the fed might start making moves to try to shift things around to prolong the default as long as possible. When that happens I'm sure the markets will dive. Which means possible layoffs for workers. And then that could also mean a hit to the US credit rating again. So yeah the default could happen in June but the damage could start before then. I hope that Dem secret discharge petition works out. And if not, then I hope Biden mints the drat coin and doesn't wait until the last minute.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Jaxyon posted:

My impression is that most of the "True Believers" are performative, and when push comes to shuck the big money will make sure we don't crash the global economy.

poo poo, one single group of VC bros who bet to big on a bank managed to bully the federal reserve and treasury.

Having said that, I could be wrong and the US will get what it has coming to it.

I hope you're right but I think what you said applies more to the old school republicans. Not these nihilists that have taken over the party now.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Maybe start with the people who aren't in the bubble. Maybe there's some you haven't spent the last decade eagerly alienating.

Ah yes all that alienating we are doing by *checks notes* not wanting to lynch trans people.

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Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Ither posted:

Why are chuds starting to push child labor?

Child labor laws are just job killing regulations.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Zamujasa posted:

whatever happened to "we don't negotiate with terrorists" :v:

It's not that surprising. The GOP is holding a gun to the head of the economy and if they pull the trigger Biden is the one that will get blamed. In the past the GOP holding the gun didn't really want to pull the trigger but they wanted Obama to think they would. Now the GOP is completely unhinged and is itching to pull the trigger and the only thing that will keep them from doing it is hurting lots and lots of people through spending cuts.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Bird in a Blender posted:

I figured they really didn't want to make a deal beforehand, but now it seems obvious. I don't see how this is a winning issue for them, and I really hope Republicans learn that without crashing the economy first.

It's a winning issue for them because if there's a default and the economy crashes people are going to blame Biden. Most people don't pay attention to any of this inside baseball politics stuff. They are just going to see the economy crashing down around them on Bidens watch. And even the few pay that pay attention maybe a little bit? They are just going to be wondering why they have now lost their jobs all because Biden wouldn't sign off on making welfare people have to work for their welfare or whatever else their local (Sinclair owned) news station tells them. And well doggoneit they never even heard of this debt limit thing during the Trump years so obviously he was a better president and the election is right around the corner and he's running again so...

That's why its a winning issue.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Bird in a Blender posted:

I get where you're coming from, but if we go back to the government shutdown of 2013 (which I know is not the same as what we're talking about now), the public generally blamed Republicans for it, even though Obama was president. So we do have some history of the public looking beyond just who the president is. I think Dems can possibly control the narrative enough that more people blame Republicans for a default. I'd rather not get to that point though.

Yes but that was a government shutdown. Not a debt default. The vast majority of people weren't affected by the shutdown and it's not like it resulted in a massive recession and major job losses like a default would. So basically the only people that were even aware of it were those people who are at least a little plugged into politics news, hence why the blame was correctly placed on the Republicans. But average folks probably didn't even know there was a government shutdown. If you want to compare a default and it's resulting economic impact to anything, the great recession is probably the best example. Obama will always get the blame for it because a lot of people lost their jobs and homes while he was president. Nevermind the fact that it started when Bush was in office and the worst of it happened when Obama was brand new and couldn't really do much to stop it. People don't know that. They just think "Bad thing happened to me. President X is in office. It's his fault." It's really that simple. Keep in mind I'm talking about the type of people who's main priority in life is watching American idol and Sunday sportsball. Not goons on the internet.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Any good soundbites from the AI hearings in the house yet? I've come to realize the only real takeaway from when the house invites any kind of tech company CEO to testify is the pure comedy value of boomer rear end representatives asking hilariously bad questions like "DOES TIKTOK USE WIFI??"

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Zamujasa posted:

most americans have no idea how taxes actually work, much less how they work in civilized, first-world countries. if i get a raise that'll put me into the next tax bracket and i'll have to pay more so please don't give me more money :ohdear:

The best one I've heard is people actually think that you can get a raise and it won't be worth it because then you'll be put into a higher tax bracket and you'll end up making LESS than you were before the raise.

Like it doesn't work that way...

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Why the hell is Biden going to the G7 when we are like 2 weeks away from a catastrophic economic meltdown

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Mooseontheloose posted:

You are not going to win a muck fight against someone who feels no shame.

It's not about making him feel shame. It's about getting people to laugh at him. That's the only way chuds actually feel owned. Look at the 2011 White House correspondent dinner when Obama roasted the hell out of Trump and everyone was laughing at him. You can just see how angry Trump was it was fantastic.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Fox news viewers.

He said other than old people.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

zoux posted:

I presume there's a point at which the material costs of conservative governance will change voters' minds but then again we lost power and water statewide for a whole week in the winter as a direct result of Republican philosophies on market regulation and that didn't seem to move any votes.

Ask yourself this. What do you think is more important to these people? Having reliable utilities? Or hurting trans people and minorities? Search your heart for the answer.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Kavros posted:

ESPN backing out of platform exclusivity is effectively the obituary for tv on the whole. Sports bundling was the last pillar of life support for cable TV, and the whole thing is going to collapse outright eventually. It's an open question what happens to broadcast TV.

The loss in revenue from cable is going to have to come from somewhere. And since most cable companies are ISPs as well, that really doesnt bode well for what they plan to do with internet subscriptions. Especially since net neutrality is gone. I can totally see Comcast limiting ESPN streaming to some kind of "Sports plus" internet package that will cost extra on top of your base internet bill. Same thing with streaming services like HBO Now or whatever it's called this week. While I think cable is an archaic useless overpriced thing these days I'm not exactly looking forward to the day that it no longer exists.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Killer robot posted:

For better recent equivalents What were the big bets for 2008 GOP candidates in 2003?

That early in the primaries I think it was assumed by a lot of people that it would end up being Hillary VS. Guliani.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

the_steve posted:

I remember back in college/technical school, one of my teachers claimed in no uncertain terms that floppy disks would never go away because they were so universally useful.
This was back when thumbdrives were still fairly new and more of a status symbol than anything else to prove you were the biggest IT nerd.

They haven't gone away in certain industries.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Professor Beetus posted:

Seriously, kids get lovely sleep because otherwise if they're doing everything expected of them from schooling, they've got like, maybe three or four hours to themselves? Which isn't really to themselves because of responsibilities they surely have to their parents as well. So ofc you stay up late and get up early. High school was the worst sleep I ever had by far, worse than college, which is saying a lot because I had multiple semesters with 12-4 am shifts working for our campus safety dept

I grew up in the northeast US and in the winter when it snowed it was very common for school to start 2 hours later (or it was just cancelled altogether when it was really bad). My entire childhood I felt like an absolute zombie in school. I probably fell asleep at my desk at least 2-3 times a day. But on those days when school started 2 hours later and I got to sleep in, it was probably the most alert and functional I ever was in class. It was like I was a completely different person. I can only imagine how well I would have done in school, and in life in general if I always felt like that.

I'm sure there's an element of "kids need to start school early in the morning because that's how the job world works so might as well get them used to it" or some other boomer bullshit at play. But it's not healthy for adults to be sleep deprived either, it's just that our capitalist hellscape has normalized it.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Boris Galerkin posted:

What is the main reason that stops/prevents Americans from getting a high school diploma? Serious question here because my experience of high school in the early 2000s to 2006 was “if you can breath and say your name you will literally pass every single class and graduate” or at least that’s how I remember it.

In my case it was basically never being awake and being high all the time. Also skipping school a lot. It's not hard to flunk out of high school but it's also not exactly easy to pass high school. Definitely not as easy as you make it out to be. Although for me high school was mid to late 90s so maybe things are different now.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Alctel posted:

Aren't the business types leaning on the republican leaders about now normally?

This worked in pre completely nihilist GOP times.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Jaxyon posted:

Companies will literally just repeatedly get hit rather than spend money to do good security. Doing security right costs way more than getting hacked.

And government is so non-functional in anything that isn't literally on fire right this moment.

Government couldn't be bothered to follow a step by step guide the previous admin had layed out for them in case of a pandemic and people were literally dying. Computers getting hacked? They don't care.

Do you know the average age of people in our government? I think it's like 60s-70s. These boomer rear end idiots probably don't even know our utilities are connected to the internet.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

paranoid randroid posted:

So how much longer are we supposed to keep pretending this administration hasn't largely amounted to the same effect as a second Trump term? Roe v Wade rolled back, social services slashed to the bone, child poverty doubled, kids still in cages, rail unions smashed, defense budget skyrocketing.

drat, Joe Biden is the most effective republican president in my lifetime

There's no real way to know what things would be like if we were in the middle of a 2nd Trump term. Unfortunately we may know soon. But regardless of how much of a disappointment Biden is I can only imagine it would be way worse if Trump was in office right now.

Also what the gently caress could Biden have done about Roe Vs Wade?

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
If and when the debt ceiling bill gets passed and we avoid a default is there anything stopping Biden from then immediately invoking the 14th amendment to end this nonsense once and for all? The argument against using it right now is that it would end up in the supreme court and then we would default while they debate it and possibly strike it down. But if this were to happen after a debt ceiling bill is passed, then the supreme court could debate it without the danger of a default. I mean unless they debated it for a few years.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
I think it's hilarious how CNN offers no way to watch their channel outside of a cable subscription and they are wondering why their ratings are tanking? Regardless of how their content has changed recently, it doesn't matter because cable is strictly the domain of boomers now and boomers hate CNN and flock to right wing crazy poo poo like fox and OAN etc. Until CNN gets with the times and offers a real streaming service they are going to struggle.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
All I can say is I think in my entire life I've seen maybe 3 trans people (that I could definitely tell were trans) and only one of those people I personally knew because I worked with her. However I meet boomer rear end old white guys all the time because I go fishing basically every weekend and that's a majorly boomer hobby. And drat near 100% of those boomer white guys has something horrible to say about trans people. Holy gently caress are old white guys obsessed with trans people. I guarantee theyve probably seen and met even less trans people than I have too.

It sucks too because a lot of these guys are nice apart from that. They got cool stories, know good fishing spots etc. But then damnit they just have to go and insert some Fox News level transphobic poo poo into the conversation and I immediately want to just walk away from them at that point.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Restaurants are expensive as gently caress.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Tayter Swift posted:

I'll concede the point; apologies for bringing it up. I've just never seen this level of vindictiveness before, even the poo poo against HRC seemed a bit less personal than posting nudes, which was only legal because it happened on the House floor.

It reminds me of high school. I had a bully whose stated, specific goal was to get me commit suicide and it's the same vibe. (He ended up killing himself instead... cold comfort tbh)

Well the modern day chud is a bloodthirsty monster. To them it would be a victory to cause a rich failson to kill himself to hurt a president they hate. Nevermind that he has already lost another son not that long ago.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Shooting Blanks posted:

It may not be growing much longer, between the heat and persistent drought.

Trust me no matter how hot it gets idiots will continue to flock to AZ for the like 2-3 months of actual nice weather they get there. Like this summer is horrible, but it's not like an average summer is a whole lot better there and that never stopped the influx of "You can't shovel sunshine" wackos from moving in.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009
Michael Bloomberg wrote a column in WaPo demanding workers return to the office. It's as bad of an article as you'd expect.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

zoux posted:

I know this comes up every time Feinstein does but I feel like many people haven't had to interact with a sundowning grandparent before. Right now she's making the votes needed and her staff is running the show (just like in pretty much every other office in congress) so really this is only a problem if you are personally concerned about Senator Feinstein's well being.

Liberals are going to wring their hands and fret no matter what but I don't really see anything that might indicate anything other than that the Grand Old Party is in dire loving straits

https://twitter.com/samstein/status/1686763417271500800

So does 3 state GOPs not being in good financial health really mean the GOP overall is in "dire loving straits"? I mean if their main candidate for president (who literally has been indicted 3 times already for major crimes) wasn't currently polling neck to neck with the sitting president I might believe it.

Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

FlamingLiberal posted:

Looking forward to DeSantis somehow losing the debate to Trump even though he isn't in the room

They're all going to lose the debate to Trump.

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Charliegrs
Aug 10, 2009

Mike N Eich posted:

Man that video of McConnell got me the closest to feeling bad for who is in the running for one of the most evil living human beings. He is just so clearly not well, confused and having an episode. The most clear moment in realizing this is an 80 year old man who is as fragile as any other person.

Anyway, I hope he retires soon and the leadership of the Senate Republicans goes to someone significantly less capable.

Counterpoint: gently caress McConnell I hope he's suffering. Do you know how many people he's hurt? gently caress that old piece of poo poo.

Also LOL he's only 81? I thought that son of a bitch was like 96.

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