WWE General Thread: He woo'd directly into a blind grandmother's face.

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The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Lid posted:

I know it's easy to dunk on nxt but I legit don't see the gap between this and Bandido's 21-Plex that is beloved.

do a pointless run out of your front door, around the block and back, then turn your monitor on

# ¿ May 16, 2023 00:38

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 18:20

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Bard Maddox posted:

yeah, I remember John Cena�s summer & fall 2011 pretty well

# ¿ Jun 6, 2023 22:17

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

JUNGLE BOY posted:

https://x.com/WrestlingHumble/status/1730286834318766283?s=20

lmfao

incredible

# ¿ Nov 30, 2023 20:46

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

I agree that this threads obsessive negativity needs to stop, and look forward to the 6 posts per week once it does

# ¿ Dec 11, 2023 04:07

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

delightful posted:

I honestly don't understand your position. So WWE should just close up shop and some completely uninvolved wrestler like LA Knight or Cody should just lose their jobs. There is no other option to you than WWE must go?

yes, when every bit of leadership in the company was either complicit or an outright participant, it might just be better for the whole structure to collapse

that's pure fantasy because Endeavor is also helmed by scumbags who won't be stopped, obviously, there's a business to be profited from

but it's also an equal level of magical thinking that the onscreen talent (the non-guilty ones) and low level staff could end up working in a version of WWE that still doesn't have a bunch of guilty parties to this case surviving the fallout to perpetuate the same culture in the future

shedding a tear for the fate of the near-monopoly that did its best to choke the life out of the whole industry for years, while treating its own talent like poo poo in non-sexual abusive ways as well, is pretty sad

# ¿ Jan 26, 2024 07:59

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

delightful posted:

If Endeavor just created like EWE (Endeavor Wrestling Entertainment) and it was the same talent just with different leadership, that would be perfectly ok with me.

EDIT: Note when I say "leadership" I mean anyone with sway within the company so that would include Brock 'Dick Tattoo' Lesnar. gently caress him.

it's rotten to the core and you're counting on a scumbag like Ari Emanuel to clean it up, and cool with him just stamping his brand's name directly on it a sign of something better?

the dude who helped run cover for Trump over the Miss Universe allegations?

sounds legit

# ¿ Jan 26, 2024 08:19

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

delightful posted:

I'm litigating my stupid opinion way too much as it is, but my opinion boils down to "Is everyone guilty because Vince is?". So let's talk about THAT specific point because that's where I think a lot of your opinions are coming from. What percentage of WWE employees do you think were accomplices/complicit/in-the-know-but-didn't-say-anything. If you believe EVERYONE in the company turned a blind eye, then I will change my opinion 100% and say burn the whole loving company down. Someone earlier in this thread said I am naive, I'm willing to admit that's the case. I *want* to believe that the majority of people working for WWE weren't involved. If I'm wrong I'm willing to accept that.

You're just gonna gobble it up when a couple of heads roll from this, at best, and pretend things are all better, aren't you?

# ¿ Jan 26, 2024 09:53

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

DavidCameronsPig posted:

Every single person in this thread who had ever watched a WWE show has done more to enable Vince McMahon than any random camera person or sound engineer. At least they took money from Vince, you all gave it to him.

Let’s maybe just reserve the ‘evil fucker’ tag for the actual evil fuckers, eh? Glass houses and all that.

Re; Endevour, this is probably barely a scandal to the poo poo their talent agency IMG covers up on the daily. The entire entertainment industry takes already damaged people and turns them into monsters at an industrial trillion dollar scale. Wrestling is only unique in how exceptionally loving dumb everyone in it is, and it’s not like most actors are rocket scientists on the side.

No one itt is actually oppressing the hypothetically non-guilty employees you dork

And no, thinking the company is irredeemable also isn't an act of oppressing them

# ¿ Jan 26, 2024 09:58

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

#STANDUPFORWWEcameramen

# ¿ Jan 26, 2024 10:01

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

it's unethical if we do anything besides immediately consoom all sources of WWE content and merch

there are families depending on this business that has aggressively done everything it could for decades to be the only source of a viable income in this industry, nothing to be done!

# ¿ Jan 26, 2024 10:10

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

well poo poo, what am I supposed to do with this crate of slim jims I bought when the brand was briefly heroic for 24 hours

# ¿ Jan 27, 2024 20:22

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

a.lo posted:

they last forever my dude

what if it takes forever for Brand to become a good guy again?

# ¿ Jan 27, 2024 21:14

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Pylons posted:

The headlines in question

how am I supposed to know that sex trafficking is bad though?

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 01:23

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

who are you people to expect friends and family to socialize without The Royal Rumble as their only basis for doing so

what else could they possibly half-watch while playing on their phones and talking?

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 02:07

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

The Grey posted:

So we aren't allowed to post unless it's to criticize WWE?

nah man, everyone's dying to hear details about the show that they didn't even want an official thread for, chat it up

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 02:28

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

That DICK! posted:

honeypot to lure in people watching wwe and tell them they're loving dumb

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 03:32

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

the minute you close this thread some geniuses will come along and try to wedge broader fed conversations into the Vince thread and be mad about that

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 03:39

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

CarlCX posted:

We all watch wrestling and I have it on good authority that it's fake so we're all morons.

nah I'm smart, I watch plenty of reality TV to counteract this fake poo poo

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 03:48

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

1glitch0 posted:

This Roman Reigns match isn't fake. If it was fake surely it would be less boring.

this is why it's funny to witness just how many people apparently NEEDED to see this show

I hope the ones who just couldn't avoid their watch parties they'd committed to looked around at some point and realized how much of the time their friends/family were just bored and scrolling through their phones instead of even watching

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 03:51

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Majinfoose posted:

Dave's Broly tangent is the best part of the Rumble

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 05:59

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

I know it's a wild hypothetical when there's never even been smoke in the guy's direction, but what if it turns out Paul Levesque just is a cynical careerist who'd do anything to get ahead? :ohdear:

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 07:48

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Vince McMahon would definitely have too much shame to actually go sharing his sick fetish behavior with tons of random employees

Vince McMahon would definitely have too much shame to go chasing another old man with poo poo covered underwear in front of tons of random employees

Vince McMahon would definitely have too much shame to actually go turning his incestuous fetish hangups by making it storyline fodder in front of every single fan and employee

# ¿ Jan 28, 2024 15:45

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Timby posted:

The point remains, though: It's a loving press conference.

For a fake sport.

I think it's called a scrum, buddy

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 04:39

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Eat My Fuc posted:

I think Danielson has just as much culpability in this as Cody, that is to say none whatsoever, but only one of those guys is getting poo poo for things he had nothing to do with.

I truly don’t think anyone outside of specific wrestlers, guys who are as evil as Vince, knew. Brock is a sociopath who can do something like stomp to death a nest of baby birds and feel nothing, of course he was Vince’s accomplice, but a guy like Roman, a deeply religious family man would have been kept away from this, because he’d have quit had he known. Guys like Sami couldn’t have known, I just don’t buy that every single worker there was in on it and tolerated it.

Like I wouldn’t connect Tony Khan to Vince’s crimes because he hired WWE crew, or employs Jericho who was close buddies with Vince well enough to attend concerts with him and ride on his plane, or Jim Ross who was Vince’s guy for decades who hired Brock. To do that would be massively unfair and weird.

immense cope, jesus fuckin' christ

(Sorry for taking the Lord's name in vain, deeply religious Roman)

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 18:49

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Fans should stop being so shocked at the type of willful ignorance someone will engage in when they're too close to an abusive person's actions and that person is integral to their careers

It doesn't need explaining away on them somehow not smelling the smoke that was impossible to ignore, they just did the always disappointing human behavior of looking the other way and not being the one to take a stand, because doing so would disrupt their careers too much

Why would sacrificing some of their own morality for the sake of their careers be shocking for a group of people who endlessly sacrifice their own physical and mental health for their careers as well, of course they would

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 19:19

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

I question if anyone who's having a hard time imagining Vince flaunting this poo poo to people outside his inner circle have really spent enough quality time with lovely dudes in a work environment

Especially if you also check enough boxes for them to clock you as a proper fellow man who'd be into that sort of behavior

It's extremely credible to me that Vince would wedge private porn of someone into a conversation out of nowhere just for whatever lovely little kick it gave him to see their reaction

Given Vince's entire history of bully psychopath behavior, I don't even think he'd need to believe some random dude backstage would be particularly into having that shared with them, as long as it was still someone Vince was wielding complete power over

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 19:25

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Gumball Gumption posted:

I'm thinking specifically showing it to all the tech guys and everyone hooting and hollering. And even then I think he showed it to some and there was some hoot and hollering but that portion also reads like someone who lives in a fantasy world deep in their poo poo.

the hooting and hollering could be very exaggerated on Vince's part as a portion of the sicko fantasy, and the sharing could still be very real because Vince's perverse interpretations of the whole thing don't rule out it happening

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 19:35

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

why the hell are people working so hard to assume this degree of rational risk assessment from men who engaged in sexual assault threesomes at work

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 19:42

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Pylons posted:

The tech team is a den of MAGA dipshits, why would anyone be shocked that they would hoot and holler (misogynistically) in this situation?

if it took MAGA dipshits for dudes to be participatory in this behavior, it wouldn't be nearly the widespread problem it is

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 19:43

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

every story about Kevin Dunn's enthusiastic sycophant reactions to perverse conversations about WWE divas just tells me he physically was the portable crowd sweetening device

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 20:01

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Shard posted:

I can't think of any other time someone's late career was derailed by so many injuries. He makes Kevin Nash look like superman

omg cm punk wtf thought he was dead lol

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 20:19

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Truther Vandross posted:

Ultimately, outside of the WWE executive sweet, I don't really see the point or value in arguing over which low level people knew what.

it's not gonna stop coming up because the low level employees keep getting used as cover for why people don't want to see their beloved corporate brand face any consequences, and believing there was no participation outside of Vince and a very small crowd is a key part of pretending there could never be an ingrained institutional problem here that isn't gonna magically disappear with Vince's exit

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 20:26

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

MassRafTer posted:

Punk has been loving massive for about a year and was huge for the MJF feud too, he's using them right.

fact checking this information against Mr. Brooks' knuckles and something isn't adding up here, are you sure?

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 20:40

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Waffleopolis posted:

https://twitter.com/femboigarfield/status/1752052348510257449?t=_V0JfLdolASSVSRymguMYg&s=19

Danhausen ain't got poo poo on Mox's curses.

and the injury off of a double arm DDT, yikes!

a DDT named the future shock at that

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 20:52

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

it's too on point for his in ring return to be a one and done in the rumble

# ¿ Jan 29, 2024 21:02

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

DownsydePhil

# ¿ Jan 30, 2024 01:28

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Vengarr posted:

I always assumed he had some background in high school/collegiate wrestling, is this correct? Why would you think you had a shot in MMA without some kind of technical background?

if you considered both athletic potential and any combat sport background, and used that to make a list of all time wrestlers who had the worst chances in a UFC bout, Punk at least makes the top 25, if not top 10

dude had zero athleticism even when he was young

# ¿ Jan 30, 2024 22:54

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

BrigadierSensible posted:

This.

All the faffing about the details is faff.

Vince McMahon is a Rapist. Many times over. And this is a bad thing to be. He is a bad man.

Very bad.

That is all that needs to be known.

if you wanna handwave for a system of multiple abusers and the people who were complicit, go ahead I guess

there's more than one bad man here if you actually treat this seriously

# ¿ Jan 31, 2024 07:25

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

MassRafTer posted:

Art was terrified of grappling the day of the show. He would have gotten taken down and submitted because it was something completely foreign to him. If he had a real camp like Punk he wipes the floor with Punk but it was a bunch of dudes showing up to rep their sport and two ringers, one ringer with their family backing the show.

I'd have to see Punk finish someone to actually believe it was possible against another grown, athletic human being

# ¿ Jan 31, 2024 08:38

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 18:20

The337th: Mar 30, 2011

Truther Vandross posted:

Eh, that's not true. I'm not saying it's Vince and Vince alone. There are several people in the leaderships structure who need to be held accountable.

I'm talking about the people who want to bring up rank-and-file production staff or talent. It's really easy to sit back with no skin in the game and say somebody should've done this or done that. The entire company was structured to suppress that as much as possible. They had a monopoly for almost 20 years and absolutely made sure everyone in the company knew they had no other options for making an equivalent living in wrestling. Vince surrounded himself with yes men who would run back to him eager to tattle any chance they got. It was very clear that anyone who tried to be defiant would be retaliated against. He'd basically been getting away with anything and everything for decades so most people (probably rightfully) assumed any complaining wouldn't end up fixing anything anyway. I just don't believe in blaming people who have, by design, been gaslit into thinking there's nothing they can do or say to solve a problem.

Last year in my office, we had a guy who was sexually harassing his female employees, subjecting them to different treatment than the males were getting, trying to access their PCs and such against policy. He was great with company politics and protecting himself as much as possible. He'd skated by on some other issues in the past. Everyone thought he was untouchable. Eventually one of the ladies came to me. I'm in a different area of the building so I didn't really see the day-to-day happenings with them and she brought me up to speed on everything. I was lucky enough to be in a position where I have no kids and my wife has a very good job that could've supported us if I ate poo poo for speaking out, so I went up the ladder and addressed the issue. It ended up working out fine but there are relationships in the company now that are basically irreparable for me because I spoke out against him. I'm glad I did, but it's a much, much different situation when you're in the thick of it than it is when you're just sitting back free from any potential consequences.

Paul should be held accountable. Steph should be held accountable. The rest of the C-Suite should be held accountable. Laurinaitis should be held accountable. Guys like Michael Hayes should be held accountable. I just believe there's a limit to how far down that ladder you can go before you're punishing people who were also victim's of his bullshit, albeit to a lesser extent.

Exactly what do you think is gonna happen to a random camera man or whoever you're picturing here, if they weren't actually involved?

That level of employee originally became discussion fodder here when a poster really wanted to use their jobs as excuses for why the entity of WWE must be protected at all costs

# ¿ Jan 31, 2024 16:38

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