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Harrow posted:Caps out at a quarter heart, I'm pretty sure. Everything does a minimum of 1 damage no matter how good your armor is. The only other real exception is that guardian/ancient weapons do bonus damage to guardians. And fire/ice weapons or arrows can instantly kill or do massively increased damage against something with the opposite element.
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Zore posted:The only other real exception is that guardian/ancient weapons do bonus damage to guardians. And fire/ice weapons or arrows can instantly kill or do massively increased damage against something with the opposite element. Yeah, the fire/ice instant kills are amazing and make me glad I'd horded plenty of fire and ice arrows by the time I started going to really cold and hot places.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:40
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memory #9 shows just why this is the best zelda game
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Mar 13, 2017 21:46
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Is that the one where Zelda tells Link to eat the frog?
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a cartoon duck posted:Is that the one where Zelda tells Link to eat the frog? yes, it is.
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Yeah, that's easily the best cutscene in the game.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:53
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I'm glad that for Breath of the Wild Nintendo decided, hey maybe we should make Zelda an actual character this time, for the first time in thirty years.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:55
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a cartoon duck posted:I'm glad that for Breath of the Wild Nintendo decided, hey maybe we should make Zelda an actual character this time, for the first time in thirty years. Are you saying Tetra or the spirit track or Skyward sword versions weren't?
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a cartoon duck posted:I'm glad that for Breath of the Wild Nintendo decided, hey maybe we should make Zelda an actual character this time, for the first time in thirty years. The only recent game(past 10 years) she hasn't been was LBW.
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Mar 13, 2017 21:58
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Tetra is one of those cases where Zelda is much more interesting when she is actively being not Zelda and gets kidnapped the literal minute she turns into a princess, and in Skyward Sword she didn't leave much of an impression on me but that's probably not her fault when she's in the same game as Groose. Never played any of the handhelds so maybe Spirit Tracks Zelda is cool and I'm talking out of my rear end.
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Too bad her character in BOTW is mostly just whining a lot with really bad voice acting. I would be more endeared to her if there were more memories like the frog one.
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parallelodad posted:Are you saying Tetra or the spirit track or Skyward sword versions weren't? Tetra was A Character With Actual Characterization for roughly one half of one game before they shoved her in an underground box for the second half of that game, and then had her kidnapped in the first 5 minutes of the game and rescued in the last 5 minutes for the sequel. I remain somewhat salty about that fact, given that she was also basically the first Zelda to have any characterization that wasn't fully pegged at "lawful good" and (almost) wasn't just like "oh I guess I'm the reincarnation of Zelda welp okay" which is sort of amusing, given that this version of zelda was also on a bit of a "gently caress destiny" kick and the end result was the death of nearly everyone she loved and 100 years of darkness so I guess the moral of the story is "if you're born as the reincarnation of the avatar of a goddess suck it up buttercup, you don't get to choose to be a scientist instead"
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:which is sort of amusing, given that this version of zelda was also on a bit of a "gently caress destiny" kick and the end result was the death of nearly everyone she loved and 100 years of darkness so I guess the moral of the story is "if you're born as the reincarnation of the avatar of a goddess suck it up buttercup, you don't get to choose to be a scientist instead" The ending made me retroactively hate the story - I was convinced they were building up towards Zelda being Courage instead of Wisdom with all of the destiny/her and link's powers aren't working memories. The way it ends as is is just so much of a gently caress you to Zelda. I'm still fairly sure they meant to do the role reversal and just didn't finish. I think i've posted twice now at a little more length of this but it doesn't seem to have registered with anyone else?
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:which is sort of amusing, given that this version of zelda was also on a bit of a "gently caress destiny" kick and the end result was the death of nearly everyone she loved and 100 years of darkness so I guess the moral of the story is "if you're born as the reincarnation of the avatar of a goddess suck it up buttercup, you don't get to choose to be a scientist instead" I feel the opposite reading is true, since the game showed in memory sequences as well as the King's and Zelda's diaries that she did work her rear end off to unlock her magic powers to no avail and only got to look at ancient technology in her spare time until she was forbidden even doing that. There's also this really unsubtle analogy about silent princess flowers only being able to grow and prosper in the wild and just withering and dying in controlled domestic conditions, so my impression was we're supposed to think things wouldn't have ended up as shittily if Zelda could've just become an engineering princess and figure out how to update the guardians' anti-Ganon firewalls or whatever.
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Mar 13, 2017 22:20
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hosed up it's called Revali's Gale and not Roc's Feather I feel like I fought Windblight Ganon wrong. Like I just ran up to him when he was the at ground level and slapped him around a couple of times with the master sword and then he died. He had the little floating thingies but they only shot me once and then sucked and died
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:the constellation shrine was stupid bullshit, I spent like 20 minutes trying to work out how to arrange the balls in the right pattern to match up to the constellation stars
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Mar 13, 2017 22:21
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:which is sort of amusing, given that this version of zelda was also on a bit of a "gently caress destiny" kick and the end result was the death of nearly everyone she loved and 100 years of darkness so I guess the moral of the story is "if you're born as the reincarnation of the avatar of a goddess suck it up buttercup, you don't get to choose to be a scientist instead" idk she seems like she clearly wanted to gain the power to seal away the darkness, she just used her scholarly pursuits to mask her lack of progress in doing so
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a cartoon duck posted:I feel the opposite reading is true, since the game showed in memory sequences as well as the King's and Zelda's diaries that she did work her rear end off to unlock her magic powers to no avail and only got to look at ancient technology in her spare time until she was forbidden even doing that. There's also this really unsubtle analogy about silent princess flowers only being able to grow and prosper in the wild and just withering and dying in controlled domestic conditions, so my impression was we're supposed to think things wouldn't have ended up as shittily if Zelda could've just become an engineering princess and figure out how to update the guardians' anti-Ganon firewalls or whatever. I haven't beaten the game yet, but yeah my impression is that poo poo partially went south because of how hard they tried to follow the prophecy to a t and how they thought Zelda "should" fit into that.
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Nephzinho posted:The ending made me retroactively hate the story - I was convinced they were building up towards Zelda being Courage instead of Wisdom with all of the destiny/her and link's powers aren't working memories. The way it ends as is is just so much of a gently caress you to Zelda. I'm still fairly sure they meant to do the role reversal and just didn't finish. I think i've posted twice now at a little more length of this but it doesn't seem to have registered with anyone else? I don't know where you got that impression since the whole thing is Link perfectly resonated with the Master Sword and had no major issues with his role in things while she hated her role and therefore couldn't stand Link at first.
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nothing is more wonderful than dropping a bomb on a trash mob while paragliding and it hits that explosive barrel just right and now there's just one very sad half dead giant moblin stumbling over to pick up his club but you just keep on rolling to the next hilltop
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a cartoon duck posted:I don't know where you got that impression since the whole thing is Link perfectly resonated with the Master Sword and had no major issues with his role in things while she hated her role and therefore couldn't stand Link at first. The memory of them walking on the riverbank includes Zelda asking Link how proficient he is with that sword and asks if he's heard its voice yet. Coupled with another memory talking about the legend that the chosen hero can hear a voice from the sword, and that Zelda could hear its voice...
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PSA: wanna run at max speed forever? It requires a bit of crab claw, but if you mash horse whistle and sprint, you can run without using stamina
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a cartoon duck posted:I feel the opposite reading is true, since the game showed in memory sequences as well as the King's and Zelda's diaries that she did work her rear end off to unlock her magic powers to no avail and only got to look at ancient technology in her spare time until she was forbidden even doing that. There's also this really unsubtle analogy about silent princess flowers only being able to grow and prosper in the wild and just withering and dying in controlled domestic conditions, so my impression was we're supposed to think things wouldn't have ended up as shittily if Zelda could've just become an engineering princess and figure out how to update the guardians' anti-Ganon firewalls or whatever. dragon enthusiast posted:idk she seems like she clearly wanted to gain the power to seal away the darkness, she just used her scholarly pursuits to mask her lack of progress in doing so It's true that she definitely worked her rear end off for something close to a decade+ trying to get the powers, but her resentfulness over Link being able to "step into" his destined role so easily and the fact that it only actually clicked for her as a limit break sort of desperation move implies that either 1. she was consciously or subconcsiously resisting the role she had been forced into somehow, which is kind of supported by how much she legitimately was enjoying the science stuff in some of those cutscenes and how resentful she got about the destiny-related stuff, or 2. hylia is just a loving dick who locks people in statues and lets ganon gently caress the world for 100 years for no other reason than "because she can" obviously which of those is actually the case is left as an interpretive exercise for the player
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Kashuno posted:PSA: wanna run at max speed forever? It requires a bit of crab claw, but if you mash horse whistle and sprint, you can run without using stamina False. You run while gaining stamina.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:It's true that she definitely worked her rear end off for something close to a decade+ trying to get the powers, but her resentfulness over Link being able to "step into" his destined role so easily and the fact that it only actually clicked for her as a limit break sort of desperation move implies that either 1. she was consciously or subconcsiously resisting the role she had been forced into somehow, which is kind of supported by how much she legitimately was enjoying the science stuff in some of those cutscenes and how resentful she got about the destiny-related stuff, or 2. hylia is just a loving dick who locks people in statues and lets ganon gently caress the world for 100 years for no other reason than "because she can" obviously which of those is actually the case is left as an interpretive exercise for the player Don't think Link stepped into the role easily - yeah he was good with a sword after a lifetime of training but he wasn't synced with the Master Sword. He never spoke with it during the entire game, even though Zelda did at least twice. Memories specifically pointed to him not hearing it and the hero should be able to. Link gets relayed its message from the Deku Tree. Likewise, Zelda's power finally activates in a moment of Courage when she steps in front of Link after a lifetime spent praying to a goddess she couldn't hear. Rewatch the memories from the POV of role reversal between Zelda/Link.
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Kashuno posted:PSA: wanna run at max speed forever? It requires a bit of crab claw, but if you mash horse whistle and sprint, you can run without using stamina Di-dink "Your horse could not hear your whistle..." Di-dink "Your horse could not hear your whistle..." Di-dink "Your horse could not hear your whistle..." Di-dink "Your horse could not hear your whistle..."
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Nephzinho posted:Don't think Link stepped into the role easily - yeah he was good with a sword after a lifetime of training but he wasn't synced with the Master Sword. He never spoke with it during the entire game, even though Zelda did at least twice. Memories specifically pointed to him not hearing it and the hero should be able to. Link gets relayed its message from the Deku Tree. Likewise, Zelda's power finally activates in a moment of Courage when she steps in front of Link after a lifetime spent praying to a goddess she couldn't hear. Rewatch the memories from the POV of role reversal between Zelda/Link. The hero's soul learned better than to listen to the sword after the first time
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Nephzinho posted:Don't think Link stepped into the role easily - yeah he was good with a sword after a lifetime of training but he wasn't synced with the Master Sword. He never spoke with it during the entire game, even though Zelda did at least twice. Memories specifically pointed to him not hearing it and the hero should be able to. Link gets relayed its message from the Deku Tree. Likewise, Zelda's power finally activates in a moment of Courage when she steps in front of Link after a lifetime spent praying to a goddess she couldn't hear. Rewatch the memories from the POV of role reversal between Zelda/Link. Lol if you don't think not hearing Fi talk to you for the entire game wasn't an intentional thing after so many complained about her in Skyward Sword, and I'm glad of it But as to the "ease of stepping into the role", Zelda's journal does talk about it being stressful for Link, but (without having it open in front of me) I seem to recall that the issue for Link was more "people expect a lot out of him and meeting those expectations is stressful", not "people expect a lot out of him and he was totally unable to meet those expectations". He was working just as hard as Zelda but it was working out for him instead of being completely fruitless.
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Ursine Catastrophe posted:Lol if you don't think not hearing Fi talk to you for the entire game wasn't an intentional thing after so many complained about her in Skyward Sword, and I'm glad of it That was an entirely different game, why does Fi matter here? I'm talking specifically about BOTW Link and Zelda role swapping. The sword talked to Zelda in 2 different cutscenes and it was referenced as a sign of the chosen hero. When the sword is pulled out in this game it is conspicuously quiet as its message is relayed through the Deku Tree. Would've been easy to have it talk if it could have. It was working out for him in that he looked the part and was fine with a sword, but after opening up to her and her realizing that he wasn't connecting with the sword in the same way she couldn't connect with her own power, that knighting ceremony was just as much for him as for her to try to jumpstart things.
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Nephzinho posted:Don't think Link stepped into the role easily - yeah he was good with a sword after a lifetime of training but he wasn't synced with the Master Sword. He never spoke with it during the entire game, even though Zelda did at least twice. Memories specifically pointed to him not hearing it and the hero should be able to. Link gets relayed its message from the Deku Tree. Likewise, Zelda's power finally activates in a moment of Courage when she steps in front of Link after a lifetime spent praying to a goddess she couldn't hear. Rewatch the memories from the POV of role reversal between Zelda/Link. The only character who exhibits any explicit connection to the Triforce in the whole game is Zelda, so you could just as well read the story as saying Zelda possesses the power of the completed Triforce, but she could only awaken it when she had need of all three parts.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:How do I get rich fast? Got around 3500 and I just found the fourth Great Fairy, who needs 10K. I need money fast because the spoopy skeleton outfit is also tempting me. Grab the spoopy skeleton outfit which you can already afford for 3500 and then just don't sweat the 10k fairy because are you even going to upgrade all your armor to 4-star anyways? Treat it like a super long term retirement goal.
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while we're on story beats anybody else find it interesting how the legends basically don't mention the triforce by name anywhere in the game, and rather than talk the primary characters as a fated trio, the reincarnation myth as passed down in botw instead present them as a primal evil and the two destined to stop it ganon can barely even be described as human in this game which was kinda cool
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Also I am pretty sure that Link got the final memory from the Master Sword itself and being connected with it and all that since it got the same memory filter at the start as all Link's own memories do. I think you're just kinda misinterpreting what's already there. Zelda's story is definitely about being forced into a role she doesn't fit while thriving in another, but it's just about everyone expecting her to be a magical princess when she has a gift for scholarly pursuits rather than the whole courage/wisdom thing since the game barely cares about the Triforce trifecta this time around.
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Zore posted:Skyward Sword is a great game. 
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a cartoon duck posted:I think you're just kinda misinterpreting what's already there. Zelda's story is definitely about being forced into a role she doesn't fit while thriving in another, but it's just about everyone expecting her to be a magical princess when she has a gift for scholarly pursuits rather than the whole courage/wisdom thing since the game barely cares about the Triforce trifecta this time around. Then why specifically cast doubt on Link's inability to connect with the Master Sword while specifically bringing up that the hero is supposed to hear its voice and showing Zelda do so? Why have Link spend the entire game hearing the Goddess when he prays at the statues for upgrades throughout the game while every cutscene is about Zelda being unable to do it?
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GAMEPLAY CHAT: In Divine Beast Vah Naboris, I totally skipped an entire item-management puzzle by using Revali's Gale to do a Falco Jump over the fence. It was awesome.
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Nephzinho posted:That was an entirely different game, why does Fi matter here? I'm talking specifically about BOTW Link and Zelda role swapping. The sword talked to Zelda in 2 different cutscenes and it was referenced as a sign of the chosen hero. When the sword is pulled out in this game it is conspicuously quiet as its message is relayed through the Deku Tree. Would've been easy to have it talk if it could have. I mean from a meta, developer PoV of "things people complained about in the last game"-- if I was developing a game where everyone had complained about the sword talking in the last iteration of the game, having the subtle "hey look the sword's talking to everyone except you" would absolutely be something I worked in for the pure hell of it. Your last incarnation told Fi to shut the hell up one too many times. I may be wrong, but I'm headcanoning it and you can't stop me  Nephzinho posted:It was working out for him in that he looked the part and was fine with a sword, but after opening up to her and her realizing that he wasn't connecting with the sword in the same way she couldn't connect with her own power, that knighting ceremony was just as much for him as for her to try to jumpstart things. I guess, maybe? I'd have to go back and read that diary entry again, but it really felt overall like the entire point was even if it was a lot of work for both of them, the thrust of the plotline was Link having success in a far more significant fashion than Zelda was.
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a cartoon duck posted:I feel the opposite reading is true, since the game showed in memory sequences as well as the King's and Zelda's diaries that she did work her rear end off to unlock her magic powers to no avail and only got to look at ancient technology in her spare time until she was forbidden even doing that. There's also this really unsubtle analogy about silent princess flowers only being able to grow and prosper in the wild and just withering and dying in controlled domestic conditions, so my impression was we're supposed to think things wouldn't have ended up as shittily if Zelda could've just become an engineering princess and figure out how to update the guardians' anti-Ganon firewalls or whatever. Yeah its really all 100% the King's fault. He's a poo poo dad.
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Nephzinho posted:Then why specifically cast doubt on Link's inability to connect with the Master Sword while specifically bringing up that the hero is supposed to hear its voice and showing Zelda do so? Why have Link spend the entire game hearing the Goddess when he prays at the statues for upgrades throughout the game while every cutscene is about Zelda being unable to do it? Because Zelda is projecting hard on Link, and Link hears all sorts of supernatural poo poo like that sealed god in Hateno that nobody else can.
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When is the king not a poo poo dad in a Zelda game? Even boat dad does some questionable poo poo while alive.
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