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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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FlamingLiberal posted:

Breitbart used to have a section of their website titled ‘Black Crime’
You're thinking the of Federalist.

(I guess it's possible that Breitbart had it too though)

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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Groovelord Neato posted:

the gently caress is he wearing.
A shirt made of jeans drenched in motor oil.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Twelve by Pies posted:

And if it wasn't for the Promise Program then Nicolas Cruz would've been arrested and then he would have a criminal record and he wouldn't have been able to buy a gun and he wouldn't have shot up the school so Obama and Holder are therefore personally responsible for the shooting.
Yeah except most misdemeanor offenses won't stop you from getting a gun in Florida, and you know exactly who's gonna lobby to keep it that way, sooooo....

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Fearless posted:

Is that Carlson's stock listening face when he's on the air?
You must be new here.

edit:
https://twitter.com/AM2DM/status/907314669655916544

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Mar 1, 2018

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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TBF the idea that ~conservative views~ should be a protected class is still more pathetic.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Chilichimp posted:

nah, let it be that way. If they are pussy shitheads and get panned for it, it'll suck all the toxic masculinity right out of the ideology. Without that source of pure rage, it might fall apart altogether.
Eh, that's assuming "I'm the real victim!" persecution complex stuff can't hold it together, and that it's mutually exclusive with pure rage, neither of which is true. Fragility and hostility is basically Trumpian resentment combo.

I dunno, there's something just extra stupid about it. Like the words "conservative views" now basically means "I said stupid poo poo so I'm going to describe it using this intellectual-sounding word and avoid the embarrassing details of what I actually said." And now they want this dumping ground of an ideological label to have extra protection from mean people, all after a long spree of mocking liberals for being fragile safe space microtriggered melty snowflakes.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/969677655594455042

https://i.imgur.com/DFgH8nW.jpg (warning: Enormous 14718x13805 image)

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Mar 3, 2018

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Vargatron posted:

Because the Conservative idea of comedy is Milo Yiannopoulos.
FTFY

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Dave Rubin did an interview David Frum that's worth watching but is also an amazing demonstration of how much Rubin is a doormat of an interviewer with a paper-thin understanding of everything.

Lightning Knight posted:

Nathan Robinson is back to what he does best: publicly assassinating pseudointellectual right-wing hacks via essay.

This week’s target is Jordan Peterson. :getin:
I'm really wondering how many of Peterson's fans actually understand what he's saying anyway. The impression I get is that it's a bunch of people that heard him complaining about pronouns and identity politics and decided that must mean he's a genius that "gets it."

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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seiferguy posted:

For anyone that's been watching RWM, have they talked at all about Cambridge analytica? If so what has been the prevailing marching orders?
https://twitter.com/benshapiro/status/975810729512087552

:qq: This is just another excuse to purge conservatives (the real victims) from social media. :qq:

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Rev. Bleech_ posted:

So why exactly has this become the Generic Right Wing Talking Point all of a sudden? All the usual local shitheads are now Very Concerned about bullying
"I think what we need to do in the aftermath of these school shootings is to have a serious conversation about anything except guns."

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Bullying is a serious problem and it's not far-fetched to suggest that it's a major contributor to the anti-social mindsets that drive school shooters. It's not helpful to just handwave away the question of "what makes people want to kill all of their classmates and probably die in the process?"

That's not the point of bringing it up in this context though, the point is to point to something else as the "real" solution because they've decided in advance that "make it more difficult to get guns" isn't it.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Mass shooters aren't disproportionately white in the first place.

It turns out that the motivations driving people to suicidal-homicidal extremes are complicated and varied. The ability to easily get a gun however is consistent.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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IDK about the Tomi thing but it's kind of the same thing as Spencer getting punched in the face, or the dude making that video of Ben Shapiro's voice coming out of a locker, or Rush's pill-popping: It's okay to not condone something generally while also not being able to muster up enough mental energy to give a poo poo when it happens to someone that's terrible.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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ErIog posted:

Nah, people have been watching FNC closely for years. MediaMatters was campaigning to remove Glenn Beck after he said President Obama hates white people during Obama's first term.
They haven't been watching it closely enough since FNC's prime time lineup has been getting worse. Ingraham's only in trouble because Hogg decided to hit back, and it'll be embarrassing for her, but the only way this type of thing is sustainable is if she winds up carrying the kind of widespread reputational stink that makes people reflexively ask why she still has a TV show every time her name comes up. I don't think this episode is anywhere near that, and it doesn't even deserve to be compared to the stuff that's just standard fare on Hannity's batshit gallery or the Tucker Carlson White Power Hour.

I guess it's better than nothing, but it's too personal, and not enough of a serious reckoning with how utterly toxic Fox News is in general.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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A useful observation:

https://twitter.com/KT_So_It_Goes/status/982276617354358784

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Chilichimp posted:

lol, Colbert is probably more widely watched and yeah, Colbert would make a fool out of him.
Bitching about comedians is a stupid move in general because it amounts to screaming "please do an entire segment on me featuring the most embarrassing things about me that you can find," but in that case it would also be Hannity vs. a guy who built his career on parodying Fox News pundits, so yeah.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Shapiro looks smart for two reasons. One is that he passes the ultra-low bar of being smarter than 90% of the right-wing media ecosystem by not doing obvious politically-convenient 180's or indulging in insane conspiracy theories. The other is that he's effectively playing the game of "whoever runs out of arguments first loses" against badly-prepared college students with talking point levels of understanding of things that can't get past the first rebuttal, and that's only when he's actually going up against people and not just knocking down straw men of "the Left." He's tailor made for the poo poo tier of political debate where everything has to be a single-sentence zinger.


Oh yeah and Jordan Peterson's been invited on to Bill Maher this Friday.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Apr 19, 2018

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Who are the third and fourth ones? Nigel Farage + Joe Rogan?

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Lycus posted:

None of that is surprising for a 2000s Democrat. Just say you grew.
I'd guess most of that is stuff that a majority of Democrats still believe but don't want to say because they'll get dragged.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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If you're gonna complain about Maher, make sure you factor in the segment with Jordan Peterson from last weekend, which can be summed up as basically the sequel to his segment with Milo Yiannopoulos.

Jurgan posted:

I'd say it's the other way around- many Democrats likely believed in gay marriage in the last decade but were afraid to admit it. David Axelrod says that was true for Barack Obama before his views "evolved."
I mean more the things other than gay marriage. The bar for accepting gay marriage is kinda low, around the point of being fine with it as long as it can be kept at arm's length, and there's plenty of general population polling supporting the existence of that mentality at least. It's not nearly at the same point as thinking that there's something wrong with straight people finding gay romance repulsive.


Also the best thing about this whole "I got hacked!" thing is just how completely out of line that type of posting is with what actually happens when a blog or site gets hacked, which is that it gets filled up with either obvious vandalism, or a deluge of spam links to malware, scams, porn, and fake dick pills.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 06:59 on Apr 25, 2018

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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eNeMeE posted:

That's some quality tap dancing around the word 'liar'.
"I'm not saying you're a pathological liar, I'm just saying it's hard to defend you against the media calling you one when you lie all the loving time."

Grade A concern trolling.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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BiggerBoat posted:

Conservatives are just flat out loving weird. I can't relate to Republicans at all. The only ones I understand are the ones that at least admit that everything in their life centers around money and individualism. They're still wrong headed, of course, but at least I get the motivation.
There are various flavors of it and you could probably make a whole thread on it (including everything in this one), but whatever intellectual backing it had has mostly evaporated and been replaced by the coalition of "whatever liberals are doing is bad," fueled by a news media ecosystem that's hypersaturated with "the crazy liberals are at it again!" and other fear mongering.

It's also not just a problem of facts but of emphasis, like the problem with a site like Breitbart isn't just the amount of poo poo they publish that's factually wrong, it's the bigger picture that it paints via what it decides is and isn't newsworthy, like when they dedicated stupid amounts of column space to whining about Antifa.

Now compound that with social media, which encourages the sharing of the most outragious clickbaity articles possible, to your friends of probably similar ideological persuasion, and you wind up with a bunch of people in a world where that sort of thing is literally all they ever hear about "the Left."

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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moths posted:

I'm sure the focus on stuff like Antifa and Soros is to cement the "both sides do it" mentality.

It's easier to accept your nazis and psychopath billionaires' agenda after you convince yourself that it's Totally Normal and how politics works.
Yes, but it's also to go a step further and cement the idea that the other side is the real problem. Most conservative outlets are wall-to-wall "the liberals are at it again!" type stories, so it fuels the idea that that's what's important, oh and why isn't the lamestream media covering any of this!? etc.

The Antifa whining wasn't a "both sides" thing originally, it turned into it a bit after Charlottesville, but Richard Spencer got punched 7 months before that and the Antifa panic stories were in full swing even before that. The point was to inflate "the violent left" into the big important thing that must be talked about.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 19:02 on May 4, 2018

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Keeshhound posted:

I think it's more that there haven't been any high profile examples of that kind of violence for people to react positively or negatively to.
It's more that it's old news. Their current culture war focus is guns, and ironically they can't even spend too much time on that because Trump is sucking all of the oxygen out of the room by generating a new scandal every day that they then have to make excuses for, like right now all of their time is being spent trying to gently caress with the Mueller investigation.

That's not really my point though, it's that Antifa is a fringe element that almost nobody wants anything to do with, so who cares? Why is it something that the mainstream media isn't covering enough? Why is it something that candidates need to vocally denounce?

It's because importance in that media ecosystem (and the sharing ecosystem of their audience) is a function of whether it can make liberals look bad. There's also the Benghazi Effect, generating importance by just constantly talking about it, and then insisting that everyone else treat it as important too.

The bigger point though of how that's relevant to the average conservative mindset, just imagine someone whose understanding of "the Left" and "liberals" is nothing but that growing pile of negative anecdotes that they also crave more of. It's easy to be ideologically mushy when the ideology is just a tool to strike back at the Leftist horde, and if a new tool works better, well there ya go.


Also this popped up right on cue:
https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/992508205338152961

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 19:03 on May 5, 2018

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Keeshhound posted:

I thought I'd typed "recently," but I guess not. Anyway, that's pretty much what I meant; we're not hearing about the "violent left" or whatever they'll get called, but that doesn't mean people are taking a side. Sooner or later someone's going to punch Shapiro or one of the other interchangable fuckwits and that'll be the talking point for a month or so until the president manages to get everyone's attention again.
It was a story before there really was any major incident though, and Spencer getting punched was followed by months of :qq: "well if they're punching Richard Spencer then soon they could be punching anybody with ~conservative views~." :qq:

Gauging it is a bit tricky, but searching Google for "Antifa" on Breitbart with results limited to just 2016 has 4 pages worth of results, and of course there was plenty of freaking out about it by alt-right nutters like Lauren Southern and Gavin McInnes.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Radish posted:

What's the full story on those two anyway?
The Day of Absence incident is the full story.

The fact that there's not much of an ideological common thread running through most of the people mentioned should be revealing. Harris got his start a while ago, Rogan's show isn't really politically-focused, the rest can be summed up as people who drew the ire of progressive activists for one reason or another and parlayed it into a media career on the Internet.

That phenomenon is probably more important than the specific people involved, and as with Peterson, I suspect the interest in what they have to say is VERY cherry-picked.

OneEightHundred fucked around with this message at 17:46 on May 8, 2018

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Spencer's net worth is in the low 9 figures, so don't read too much into a $4.75 charge being declined.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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The evidence of the $185 mil number is sketchy, but he owns a lot of poo poo, at least worth a few mil.

The guy who founded NPI is another family fortune heir.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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TBF he's actually right, and the answer is "nobody."

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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My Face When posted:

Hey, i met someone thats a Peterson fan. does anyone have articles or tweets or whatever too get a good sense of him?
Depends, are they a fan as in keeps up regularly with his work, or fan as in likes to click through "Jordan Peterson brilliantly DESTROYS SJW Marxists" clip recommendations on YouTube?

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Link to full article:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/18/style/jordan-peterson-12-rules-for-life.html

It's hard to even pull specific things from it, the entire thing is wall-to-wall :biotruths:

Good timing too. The reason I asked whether the Jordan Peterson fan was an actual serious fan or YouTube clip crawler is because in the YouTube clip crawler case you understand it by watching the YouTube clips, and in the other case, I wasn't sure if there was a good writeup anywhere with a nice view from the bottom of the rabbit hole summarizing why he's a crazy fuckin dude, but now you can click the link!

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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DreamShipWrecked posted:

I love this kind of thinking because statistically speaking there are more women than men in the US (basically everywhere, in fact) and yet we have these super rich Chads hogging all the women for themselves what with their fifty three wives each.
I can slightly sympathize with the point in the sense that there are cases like Mormon lost boys that point to it being a pretty destructive phenomenon if it scales up enough, but that's missing some other key points: It depends on a dynamic where it's okay for men to have multiple partners, but not women (and we're talking about an ideological ecosystem where "cuck" is the ultimate insult), and as has been pointed out repeatedly, it's not just that they think they deserve sex, they think they deserve sex with attractive women. They want their porn fantasies to be real.

FronzelNeekburm posted:

Even in context, it's hard to tell what Trump thinks of non-MS-13 immigrants, or if he even believes non-criminal immigrants exist. Remember, he's intentionally splitting up immigrant families so they can be detained longer.
Taking the quote out of context isn't good, but the context in the first place is bringing up MS-13 again, and the reason he brings up MS-13 has much less to do with their seriousness as an actual threat than it does with its ability to stoke xenophobia. Ditto for the "deportation bus" thing in Georgia. They can say "oh well we're just loading it up with the lovely ones." The purpose is to make people worried that there are a lot of lovely ones, and to normalize deportation.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Pirate Radar posted:

This takes us down a weird road because if this is the argument then the best way for them to own the libs is now to sleep with women who aren’t conventionally “hot”, but creating that framing inherently reinforces our cultural standards of attractiveness and then I start feeling like we’re the baddies in some way I can’t put my finger on yet
The best way for them to own the libs is to get into a functional relationship, or just find a way to make peace with it and move on.

I'm reminded a bit of Ross Douthat writing the dumb "maybe the solution is sex robots" piece. It's not about sex, it's about validation, and they're not gonna feel validated by loving a robot the same way that they don't want to settle for losing their virginity to someone that they think is below what they deserve.

What makes it so particularly toxic is the combination of the sense of entitlement and the projection of their own sense of worthlessness on to the women that they're only interested in as a means to the end of proving themselves.


Also, another ridiculous implication of what Peterson is saying is that if we just stop the alpha-studs from hogging all of the women, then women will decide they have no choice but to hook up with the Elliot Rodgers of the world.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Hopefully the NFL thing results in whole teams staying in the locker room all the time.


Random thought: I don't know if sunlight is really the disinfectant, it's been a double-edged sword with Spencer, but Peterson's newfound attention from the mainstream press and the NYT interview in particular appear to have been overwhelmingly bad for his reputation. Not so much from driving his fans away, but from earning a lot of new detractors that hadn't paid much attention to him before.

Maybe that's for the better. A lot of the right-wing Internet media ecosystem thrives from being mostly unknown outside of their fans and a handful of blogs.

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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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Cut them some slack, it's almost dinner time in St. Petersburg and they haven't eaten all day.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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BiggerBoat posted:

I still think it's terrifying how much of this nonsensical rhetoric and propaganda has genuinely taken hold, permeated the modern discourse and how quickly it's done so. I think the subjugation of the media and poo poo like "fake news" as a term being something that largely is associated with mainstream media outlets is one of the biggest existential threats our society faces behind, perhaps, climate change.
I don't know about quickly, the main difference is that the POTUS is blasting it out, but the whole "fake news" thing is just a rephrasing of the "liberal bias mainstream media" idea that's existed for a long time, and Fox News' "Fair and Balanced" tagline was explicitly to affirm that.

Yeah, there's a difference between "biased" and "fake," but in practice they mean the same thing, that the "mainstream media" (which the most-viewed cable news network totally isn't, you see...) isn't credible.

OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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BiggerBoat posted:

Biased is one thing and "Fake" is another. It's pure, unadulterated propaganda and outright hate fot the first amendment and it's gaining some rather troubling steam. Maybe you're right and it hasn't been rapid but it seems rather rapid to me. I gave teh American public more credit than this.

For some loving reason.
I know that there's a big REAL difference between the two, but what "bias" has been used to mean is not just that they have an unconscious slant that isn't giving a complete picture of things, but that the mainstream media has a liberal agenda and intentionally spins stories to further their ideological agenda, that they're basically liberal propaganda organs.

The idea that mainstream outlets are completely making up sources and stories is a step beyond that, but the only way that sort of claim has any traction is because of the groundwork already laid out to completely discredit them.

If you want an obvious example of how tightly-related the two are, then just look at the constant parroting of "the mainstream media won't talk about X."

RuanGacho posted:

Do you think that with Ailes gone, Limbaugh aging, Hannity bound his fate entirely to Trump and the lynch pin of their entire movement being in the current Presidency mean that things can stay this way?
Yes. They're not actually tied to Trump's fate, their entire careers are built on being able to metamorphose into whatever the current fashionable right-wing political position is, and the entire reactionary media formula is that they don't have to actually stand for anything, they just need to find a way to get mad at whatever liberals are up to.

Like I've said before, if Trump turns radioactive, then they'll just do what they've always done: Act like they never really supported him. If anyone is ever called out on it, their response will be "well I've been fair, I was critical of Trump once or twice, and Shep Smith did that thing once," and that proves that they're independent and don't actually slob his knob 100% of the time (just 99% of the time).

Hannity, Limbaugh, and Ailes are also beside the point. The individual people are mostly replaceable for as long as the audience continues to exist. It didn't end with Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck leaving FNC, we just got Tucker Carlson instead.

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Feb 28, 2008

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OneEightHundred
Feb 28, 2008

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The funny part about them going after Maher is that Maher is very adamantly against running people off the air for political reasons and is friends with Roseanne, so I won't be at all surprised if he invites her on to dump on ABC together.

On the other hand though, he also really wants to grill her for turning into a Trumper.

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