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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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ekuNNN posted:

You're confusing Germany with the ECB and IMF :v:

Although, in serious terms, Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and Britain and France are jointly the diplomatic and military powerhouses. It would be a shame if the UK were to withdraw from Europe.

Also, re the ILGA map, it's kind of awesome and depressing the UK are the best country in Europe, mostly because of the trans rights (we don't have gay marriage yet), even when those protections are somewhat paper thin. :smith:

TinTower fucked around with this message at 23:03 on May 17, 2013

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Peanut President posted:

"Blacklands"? Is there a giant volcano where some little dudes have to throw in a ring? (It's over by Ukraine)

Given Middle-Earth is analogous to Europe, you never know.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Grand Fromage posted:

Yeah I'm curious about what qualifies as yellow too, my county is yellow and I can't recall any restrictions. We have drive thru liquor stores there, it's not exactly restrictive.

Brew-thrus. :colbert:

But only when the devil is beating his wife.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Phlegmish posted:

Moldova is determined to be the worst European country in everything.

Not everything. :colbert:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy1B3agGNxw

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Peruser posted:

We signed almost all of those, we just can't ratify them because some people think we need the rights

Especially the right to execute children apparently

Oh and


Good job Ireland

Ah, yes, Ireland, that bastion of women's rights, beating out Canada, the UK, and Norway.

Oht

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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QuoProQuid posted:

The problem with most alternate history is that the writers are more focused on making the world as different as possible rather than writing a realistic world or making useful commentary on modern events. The easiest way to get attention is by changing borders so alternate history is often associated with maps. The alternatehistory.com community is particularly bad in this regard. The easiest way to get yourself noticed is be moderately talented in Photoshop. You could be copying literal encyclopedia entries but as long as you have regular illustrations, people will follow you.

I do have a few favorite pieces of internet alternate history, though:



Fear, Loathing and Gumbo on the Campaign Trail '72: Louisiana Governor John Julian McKeithen decides to stand for the Democratic nomination for the 1972 Election. McGovern becomes furious about being overlooked and decides to run as an independent under a 'Peace' platform. The result is an electoral college split and the House of Representatives is forced to choose the President. Sprio Agnew does beautiful, wonderful things.

A World of Laughter, A World of Tears

Eisenhower drops from the 1952 Republican Primary after a minor heart attack. The incident does not threaten his life but forces Eisenhower to come to terms with his health. He drops from the race and the GOP is thrown into turmoil. Hoping to throw the Democrats off-guard, the Republicans nominate Walt Disney who proceeds to win by a large margin. His term goes as well as you might expect.

The former is pretty fun to read, especially for the first-act twist. :allears:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Benito Hitlerstalin posted:

You've got to be working under some really hosed up definitions to end up with a map looking like this:


Or this:


Constitution as in what? Founding document? Body of law? Under what definition does the UK (uncodified constitution) end up blue, but other nations with equally good legal protections and statutes red? And then there's the second one which in addition to having all the problems of the first one is pretty much a map on specificity masquerading as a map on disabled children and their rights. A bad map.

e: This, for example, wouldn't cut it for the purposes of the second map:

I'd suppose it's counting the Human Rights Act as as close to a constitutional document as you can get (along with some other important legislation)? :shrug:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Real hurthling! posted:

Hah the jets have exactly 1 loyal county.

Nassau, I believe.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Tony Jowns posted:


shouts out to germany, new zealand, bolivia, ireland, malta and hungary for using better systems than anybody else

MMP is pretty lovely as a PR system, as it allows political parties to put yes-men in the list and you can't vote against them but for others in that party.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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As far as I'm aware, Wikipedia uses Robinson, and the XKCD description pretty much describes most Wikipedia editors.

Kavrayskiy VII, a projection mentioned in the strip, isn't bad either.



In psuedocylindrical maps, there's another element of distortion that Hydronium briefly touched upon, which is also somewhat political: the central meridians, especially the longitudinal one. In most maps, it's Greenwich, but previous meridians have run through Paris, the Bering Strait, Florence, Jerusalem, Mecca... the list goes on. The effect of distortion in the Robinson can be strikingly seen when it comes to Far East Russia and Alaska if we draw circles of equal area at points on projections (known as Tissot's indicratix):



Of course, Robinson isn't an equal-area projection.

Orientation and projection play a huge part in how we perceive our countries. As Americans know, the furthest point in the continguous 48 states is the Northwest Angle in Minnesota. But some other polar-based projections would make you think that the Maine-Canada border, roughly on the same longtitude as southern Seattle, was further north.




For some Western Europeans, we're also conditioned to the shapes of our countries and their rotation, such as the Franco-Spanish border being (roughly) East-West and therefore horizontal. But on an polar-based projection with the map's meridian passing through 15 degrees East, you might be forgiven for being a little disorientated.



And then, of course, there is the classic south-up map, which is more often used as a consciousness raising tool than a serious attempt at projection. The indie game Neocolonialism even uses it as a selling point.

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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There is one way to solve the size-of-Africa problem with the Mercator projection: reorient the cylinder so Africa is near the poles, giving it an infinite area! :v:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Lawman 0 posted:

Anyone who has played EU4 knows that the HRE is basically thunderdome because of the 50 or so princes in it.

And messing with the HRE is very impolite indeed (casus belli!)

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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kustomkarkommando posted:

This is the map thread, not the graph thread :colbert:



Horrible quality map on trilingualism, taken from a 2012 Eurobarometer report (http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/ebs/ebs_386_en.pdf)

Ireland is also pretty awful when it comes to statistics relating to multilingualism, it used to be the worst country in the EU until rather recently and has only started picking up it's game within the last couple of years. But that's largely down to the fact that the majority of language education in Ireland is dedicated to trying to make Irish more widespread (learning Irish is a compulsory part of the curriculum).

I took French and German in secondary school, aber jetzt mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut, pas plus que mon français.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Phlegmish posted:

The BNP is also there. I think El País was just trolling with their inclusion of UKIP. Nigel Farage is a boorish rear end in a top hat, but it's a bit ridiculous to put him on the same level as Golden Dawn.

UKIP are simply racists in pinstripes, though. So much so that the founder has disavowed them.

Here's then-leader Lord Pearson of Rannoch, talking about the Muslim "menfolk" threatening their wives to vote Labour because of Sharia law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LT5qRqHHoJo

This paper by Hope Not Hate is also a decent read.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Rhesus Pieces posted:

Sadly I'm willing to bet a decent amount of Americans wouldn't do much better than this.

Also, I'm disappointed that nobody pointed out that Minnesota, Iowa, Missouri, Arkansas and Louisiana together looks like a fat chef wearing cowboy boots.

Tennessee is his penis! :pseudo:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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I'm surprised Welsh is so high for Britain; I would've thought it would be Polish or Urdu.

withak posted:

That seems unlikely. Is it really possible that more people in the UK have Welsh as a first language than have (say) Hindi or Arabic or French as a first language?

Yes, I've just checked the 2011 census:
  1. Welsh: 562,000
  2. Polish: 546,000
  3. Punjabi: 273,000
  4. Urdu: 269,000
  5. Bengali: 221,000
  6. Gujarati: 213,000

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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computer parts posted:

I could see a situation where despite a majority of the inhabitants of the state voting for [one guy], all of the electoral voted are instead allocated to [other guy], and how that might seem unfair.


Of course this is mitigated somewhat by the fact that the only place these laws have passed are Democratic leaning states and Democratic candidates as of late tend to always win the popular vote.

It'd still be constitutional; the right to vote in federal elections still only applies to Congressional elections, and the Senate was only included in that list a hundred years ago by the Seventeenth Amendment. Arguably, a state could elect federal-judges-in-waiting, which are then nominated by the President and automatically blue-slipped and/or confirmed by convention.



Meanwhile, the right of the states to choose their electors as they wish is guaranteed by Article II. Let's say that Pennsylvania were to choose the congressional district method of choosing electors, as the Republican-controlled state legislature has floated several times. Despite Obama winning Pennsylvania by five points in 2012, Romney would have taken 13 electoral votes to his 7. Unfair? Yes. Undemocratic? Yes. Constitutional? Most definitely.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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DrSunshine posted:

Politically motivated map of Antarctica!



Filthy British! :arghfist::mad: Return our rightful Argentinian Antarctic clay!!

EDIT: And here is if you assigned claims by location on a longitude line.



Funny thing is, the Argentine claims on the Falklands and Antarctica are mutually exclusive because of the reasons for each. If they're claiming Antarctica on terra nullius grounds, they lose their claim on the Falklands; if they claim the Falklands on the grounds that they were there first, they lose their claim on Antarctica.

Not that it matters to Kirchner, the most European South American president in decades, from decrying the evil imperialism of Europeans.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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The British government even floated repartition of Ireland giving the South Fermanagh, Tyrone, and most of Derry. The IRA bombing of the Conservative Party Conference in Brighton effectively killed any chance of that happening even though there was little chance of it in the first place.

In the 90s, the Ulster Defence Association resurrected the idea with a view of ethnically cleansing the rest of the Catholic population. It was well received by the unionist population, including several later DUP ministers.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Nice Davis posted:

This look into South Korea is fascinating. Keep it coming!

On a different topic:

That block in the top left should be yellow. Unless you fancy building tenement blocks on the runways of O'Hare.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Phlegmish posted:

And did you know Amnesty International is actually a front for an international pedophile ring?

There is legitimately a rather vocal subset of the feminist movement that is seriously pushing that these days, because Amnesty is consulting on how it deals with the sex trade and is leaning towards supporting decriminalisation.



Sex work in Manhattan, 1991 and 2010. If you're a sex worker in New York City, you can make three times as much working in TriBeCa as you do working in the Bronx.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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I'm actually surprised that the abortion rate in Ireland is so high. This is the country that almost forced a teenage rape victim to give birth and, twenty years later, forced a woman to die from septicaemia because her fetus had a heartbeat...

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Amused to Death posted:

Doesn't everyone who want an abortion just take the ferry over to Britain?

Pretty much. It's even a constitutionally protected right in the south (but not in the north).

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Riso posted:

Kosovo was an illegal vote, with a questionable quick recognition by third parties, while under the military "protection" of said third parties.

It's a legal mess just like the Crimea.

Speaking of Kosovo...



International recognition as of Lesotho's recognition in February 2014. Spain's opposition to recognition is obvious; they don't want to give the uppity Catalans any ideas, after all. They very much love territorial integrity (unless it's to regarding Melilla or Cueta).

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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States in which oral sex is illegal but necrophilia isn't.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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XMNN posted:

Yorkshire is British Texas, pretty much.

I can definitely attest to that, minus the whole gun-firing conservatism; Yorkshire, outside of the Celtic nations, has the largest amount of regional pride in the UK.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Golbez posted:

Why does France get four or five codes when the rest of the world gets one?

Greenland, an autonomous country in Denmark, also has its own ccTLD.

On the same subject, here's another politically loaded map, and a rather recurrent one in this thread:



Former (blue) and current (red) countries on the UN's list of Non-Self-Governing Territories (i.e. colonies).

French Guiana was removed after a year after France said "nah, they're totally an integral part of our country". Algeria, for the same reason, was never listed.

Gibraltar is listed as a NSGT but Ceuta and Melilla, across the sea, are not; Spain convinced Morocco to not submit it to the initial list and they've been rueing it ever since.

The Falklands had a referendum last year in which only three people out of 1,500 votes (and an electorate of 1,650) voted for a change of status. Due to the usual protestations of Argentina, they remain on the list.

The Pitcairn Islands, with a population of 50 (mostly comprised of rapists), is listed, and feasibly cannot become self-governing (although the rapists tried their hardest to convince them of the opposite).

French Polynesia is on the list due to their pro-independence former president Oscar Temaru asking for them to be inscribed. Two weeks before the inscription, Temaru lost an election to the autonomist Popular Rally, who immediately asked not to be added, to no avail.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Peanut President posted:

"The greatest trick the Austrians ever played was convincing the world that Hitler was German."

--some guy probably

It's like how Andy Murray's nationality changes based on whether he's winning or losing.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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There were some schools in the UK where, up until last year, their governing boards prevented "the promotion of homosexuality" (which I helped expose). The government are rather keen on those schools being allowed to hire unqualified teachers.

Here's a map of sexual orientation and the military, with darker colours indicating how many part of the acronym "LGBT" are allowed to serve (red indicating a total ban).

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Torrannor posted:

I'm not sure I understand. I can only think of three situations:

1. All banned. (red)

2. LGB people allowed but trans people banned.

3. All allowed. (purple?)

What further divisions can there be? Don't ask/ don't tell policies? Lesbians allowed but gay/bi men not?

Women not allowed to serve (light blue where trans people banned, dark blue where trans people allowed)

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Internet filtering talk: Here in the UK, at least, filters set up for the express purpose of blocking child abuse images have led to remit creep, most notably since 2006 there have been periodic attempts to extend it to material "glorifying terrorism" (which, legally, has a definition so open that there was a short story anthology about it). The current push to extend internet filtering to make pornography opt-in is kinda worrying too, especially when it comes to LGBT content (and especially content aimed towards questioning teenagers, often accessed in schools).

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Israel also compete in European football, having being expelled by the AFC after the Six Days War. Previously, they walked AFC qualification for the 1958 World Cup, leading FIFA to schedule an impromptu game with Wales so that every qualifying nation had to play at least one other to qualify.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Mister Adequate posted:

Dates? Figs? Leather shoes? :shrug:

Areiopolitical for Mars, thanks. Neptune's best though, it'd be Poseidopolitics.

Hadeopolitics. :colbert:

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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ekuNNN posted:

Nah not really, although there is a Fryske Nasjonale Partij. From Wikipedia: The FNP is a left-wing nationalist party, which advocates a federalist political system in which Frisians get more autonomy. It calls for greater autonomy of the region, government use, protection and recognition of the Frisian language and Frisian control over its gas reserves.

Here's a map of active separatist movements in Europe. Red names indicate regions with movements that only claim greater autonomy within the actual state. Black names indicate regions with important secessionist movements, although both categories include moderate movements. The nations highlighted in colors are the territories claimed by the local nationalist groups, including areas out of the state's borders and cases of annexation to other states:


English devolution is a marvellous beast to talk about. Currently, the English doesn't have an assembly, due to a general consensus that England very rarely can't get English needs through the Westminster parliament. That said, the two major issues that are brought up when it comes to English devolution are tuition fees and prescription charges, which were abolished in Wales and Scotland but still exist in England; tuition fees, controversially, were raised in 2004 by a margin of five votes, when about 17 Scottish Labour MPs voted for them, and consequently abolished them in Scotland.

The primary supporters of English devolution tend to be the English Democrats and UKIP. Mostly, though, they seem to be interested in out-racisting each other.

Currently, there are four regions in the UK that have devolved powers, in terms of the effective power they have: Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and London. Devolution to other areas is an open question and is most popular in Cornwall (due to its status as a Celtic nation), Wessex (also an ancient nation) and Yorkshire. Labour tried to bring in regional assemblies about ten years ago, but were cancelled after an advisory referendum in the North East (read: Northumberland, Durham, Newcastle, and Sunderland).

Those three regions have active devolution movements and have sympathisers in the Liberal Democrats (who have generally supported devolution for decades), and field their own parties: Mebyon Kernow, Yorkshire First, and the Wessex Regionalist Party. Hilariously, Yorkshire First is pretty much a splinter off the Liberal Democrats, led by someone who was skipped over to replace his wife as a MEP (for conflict of interest reasons).

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Hedera Helix posted:

How much remains of the swamps and alluvia shown in this map?

Most of the remaining swamp land outside of nature reserves is in the Fens (north-east of Cambridge) and the Thames estuary. Most of Somerset and Yorkshire was drained centuries ago.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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cheerfullydrab posted:

I honestly think you could cobble together some heroic myths, make the flag a locally recognized symbol, get the term used by the media, among many other things, and drum up genuine Mercian nationalism within two generations.

Then we'll see about the Danes.

Disclaimer: only been to the UK twice, never in that region.

For the moment, though, Mercian nationalism is really just a few blokes with beards that would make Alan Moore weep.

So basically, Lib Dems. :haw:

(Seriously, though, Lib Dems get weirdly aroused at the idea of localism. There was a motion to their conference in Spring in which the argument was not whether regional assemblies should happen, but in what form (NUTS regions vs. contiguous local authorities).

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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3peat posted:

Average transport prices in Europe



I'm interested in how they calculate that, because I don't know any train service in the UK that you can travel sixty miles for a fiver.

TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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OddObserver posted:

What's up with Portugal?

I would hazard a guess that it's due to the more rural character of Portugal? Literacy there is still 95%, though.

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

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Golbez posted:

Surprised no representation from Northern Ireland on there.

Sinn Fein are members of the Left caucus, whereas the SDLP are PES members (i.e. social democrats).

Jaramin posted:


Here's one with gradations depicting how yes/no a province went. No discreet legend though.

Hey, a map I coloured!

Most councils were 53±5%, so there was no point in discrete colouring.

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