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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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This is going to be super depressing with the Hyun-ae ending, isn't it?

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Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Not at all anime, really, but there was a recent game jam about making dating sims.

RPS has a round up.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/04/12/a-pulse-pounding-heart-stopping-dating-sim-round-up/

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Aumanor posted:

Yeah, they really dropped the ball on The End Of Reminiscence.


Maybe it's because of that slow opening, but I just really don't hear this version working for Nine Bullet Revolver.

Another track I have issues with is This Illusion, because they just took some parts out of it and made it sound much weaker. For comparison, here's the original version.


Yeah, I totally agree. I think the original captured this sort of sense of grim fatalistic determination in those scenes where it's played, and the new one just misses that.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Kira Kira is not light hearted.

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planetarial posted:

On a different note, what would you guys consider to be a good starter VN to introduce somebody to the genre? Something like Planterian or Narcissu that is short and sweet with no choices or porn or Katawa Shoujo which is a lot longer but pretty vanilla or something else?

Ultimately the issue is that the genre isn't really deep - the list of good games isn't really large. The 'introductory' games pretty much would be identical to the games you want to play.

I suppose I'd suggest something like Christine Love's Digital. I played Narcissu for a bit, but it's really heavy going. KS is apparently very slow going as well. The likes of FSN and Tsukihime at least have some action to get people engaged.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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The good thing about FSN is that its opening is very strong, even if it slows down later. Muv-luv, if you count the first games, has one of the slowest openings ever, before getting to what the story is actually about.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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MagicalDuck posted:

Sharin no Kuni, Himawari no Shoujo and G-Senjou no Maou also fit the bill.

I second this.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Also Rin is God now.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Ultimately, Shirou's ideals at the start of FSN are a mistake. They are a mistake because he's basically a huge case of Survivor Guilt, which made him continue Kiritsugu's legacy without really believing in it himself. When really all Kiritsugu wanted was for him to be happy, so that Kiritsugu could have saved at least one person despite his actions in the previous grail war. In UBW, Shirou makes Kiritsugu's ideals his own, while in HF's proper endings he realises Kiritsugu's genuine wish and ceases his atonement for his adoptive father's sins. Mind of Steel is a bad ending, because Shirou continues to act like Kiritsugu, bound up in regret and guilt, without really understanding why, ultimately leading to his own destruction.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Dr Pepper posted:

Ever 17 was pretty funny about this because there are two different view point characters, when you're "playing" as one he isn't voiced and the one you're not is.

Ever17 was also trying to be very clever, of course...

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Save The Date hasn't been mentioned, has it?

It's a free download from:

http://paperdino.com/games/save-the-date/

The Author posted:

It’s a perfectly normal evening, and you have a quiet dinner planned with one of your friends.

And so begins one of my weirder games. Save the Date is a game about a lot of things. Friendship. Stories. Hope. Destiny. And above all else, dinner.

This is actually kind of hard. I know what I think the game is about, but the game is kind of weird and experimental, even by my standards, and I don’t really want to say too much in advance. Probably best for people to play it without knowing what they’re getting into.

It is really clever, and like the creator says, try not be spoiled! Takes about an hour to play.

Fangz
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Nate RFB posted:

So... Is there actually a different ending?

I think there's three good endings, depending on how you interpret things. (Massive spoilers) Which one you prefer would probably depend on you.

The simplest is calling off the date. If you do this after the scene on the hilltop, I think you get extra text concluding this was the best things could have gone.

The hacker ending is implied by one of the hilltop conversation trees, and involves editing a game file.

Personally I think the true intended ending though is the one obtained by the 'say nothing' line, wherein Felicia will herself suggest you a course of action.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Megatokyo is one of the early-ish wave of web-comics, that grew a huge audience by appealing directly to otaku sensibilities. It has somehow continued to linger on, despite zero art improvement, a sporadic (at best) update schedule, tedious writing, and a plot that goes nowhere.

It's vaguely interesting that there's still people with 10s of thousands of dollars to invest in this, given the creator's record at delivering on promises.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Raenir Salazar posted:

As my first foray into adventure games loved the hell out of Resonance; does anyone got any visual novel recommendations that are kinda similar? I'm looking for some sort of mystery-thriller scifi or no, preferably with a female protagonist but it isn't a deal breaker.

So already went through, looking into, or started:
Saya no Uta.
Tsukihime.
Fate/Stay Night.
Dangenronpa.
Muvluv.
Aoishiro.

To the Moon is probably worth trying.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Yeah.... those are not the recommendations I would make, even with the 'available in english' restriction.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I think plotwise it highlights Sakura's deep sense of inadequacy regarding Rin.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Magic~.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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One reason to play Tsukihime first is that it's a good VN, and if you play FSN (with its really high production values) first then the relatively cheaptastic art of Tsukihime would be difficult to stand in comparison.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Barent posted:

Well I guess I need to play Hate Plus. I should play the first one before that right? What's it called?

Analogue: A Hate Story, but probably ideally you should play game 1, Digital: A Love Story first, because to some extent Analogue spoils Digital.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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A Major Fucker posted:

Are there any dating sims where you can be the abuser in an abusive relationship? The entire time I was playing Katawa Shoujo, I wanted to use the girls' illnesses to hurt their self-esteem, or tell the ones with sensory problems (blindness and deafness) that things were happening when they weren't, stuff like that. But the protagonist was too much of an insecure manchild to do anything cool. So now I've got a hankering to in a different game.

You do sort of play as an alpha male in Sengoku Rance, but that's more of a bad strategy game that happens to have some hentai than a dating sim.

Please leave this thread and never return.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Sinner Sandwich posted:

So I just started Sharin no Kuni. I may have missed the thread actually talking about the game, but I'm a little bit in and kind of confused about the protagonist. He passingly mentioned having classes to rewrite his personality and the like but is there a reason he acts the way he does? Is it addressed, or just an attempt to break him away from the usual protagonist mold?

You will have to be more specific about 'acts the way he does'.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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unpronounceable posted:

So I should go back right now, and get the true end? If it's that important to have the context fresh in my head, I can put off the other VNs I was planning on moving on to.

Go back and watch the True End. Leave off 'Last episode' (which is unlocked afterwards) until much later.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Bholder posted:

If somebody had little screentime, you can safely assume they will have more in another path.

In other words, you are going to love UBW.

Except Lancer. Poor Lancer.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Suleman posted:

Apparently Reddit followed in Katawa Shoujo's footsteps. Another fan-made visual novel in English: The Human Reignition Project

Enh, such projects come and go all the time. We'll talk about it following in KS's footsteps if it actually produces something. As it is, it seems like too large a team, without an apparently clear vision.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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VNs in Japan, or at least the VNs we see over here, are big business, created by people with established experience and lots of money. VNs in English, apart from notable exceptions like Christine Love and also the Magical Diary people, are generally amateur efforts, often made without much of an artistic vision except to imitate an art form they like from afar. In addition, there a lot more Japanese VNs, and the process of translation and discovery basically means we only see the very very best.

The difference in apparent quality is inevitable. Still, remember, however bad this reddit game turns out being, it will still probably be better than the crappy child rape eroges that proliferate in Japan, that we simply don't see talked about over here.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Oct 3, 2013

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Ytlaya posted:

I actually watched Fate/Zero before playing any of Fate/Stay Night, so I knew quite a few spoilers going into things. One thing I'm not totally clear on in light of the whole superhero thing:

I think Archer mentions at some point that he ended up realizing that being a superhero - which seems to be what Emiya's whole deal is - wasn't the way to go and that it's better to just protect those close to you. It seems kinda strange for him to be convinced by his younger self that, no - it actually is better to be a superhero; particularly in light of the fact that we know that doesn't turn out well and that his whole "protect only those in front of your eyes" ideology is the better prospect. Rather than looking at just a person with ideals and a person without ideals, it seems more like there are two different types of ideals at play (and, particularly from Fate/Zero, we know that the younger Emiya's ideals probably aren't a great idea).

I think the thing you are missing is the reason for those ideals. (Fate/UBW/Zero spoilers) The trouble with Shirou's ideal, and the trouble with Shirou on the whole is that his ideals are not really his own. He never went through the experience Kiritsugu did, never made a choice about trying for world peace or whatever because war is hell. Kiritsugu was a driven man, but he was driven by a cool calculation.

Instead, Shirou went with those ideals because of a sense of survivor guilt that he alone survived the fire, and that being a hero was what Kiritsugu wanted, and therefore he should take on that wish. These are not actually good reasons. Not least because (with Zero) we see that very likely Kiritsugu would not have wanted Shirou to take on his path. But that overall these are the reasons a child might make, ultimately selfish, ultimately empty. If Shirou takes the path of Archer purely for his own satisfaction, purely to live up to Kiritsugu, to the extent that, as Kotomine said, he should rejoice that there is a disaster so that he gets a chance to be the hero... then that will inevitable lead to only misery, disappointment, and destruction.

The transformation in UBW is that Shirou takes ownership of his ideal. Archer is prepared to confront a foolish, dishonest boy, sees instead a man that understands that his ideal can take him bad places, but who has regained the kernel of value within the original concept. So what if Shirou will end up exhausted and broken? So what if he will be trapped into a forever war? He's not doing this to be happy and satisfied, he's doing this to save lives. Thus he defeats the nihilism of Archer.

Kiritsugu's ideal and the mind of steel ideal seem somewhat different from Archer and/or Shirou UBW. Kiritsugu seems to be about ruthless pursuit of vengeance, or the safest possible solution at all times, whereas Archer/Shirou seems more compassionate. Kiritsugu's dilemma is about the annihilation of threat, and Archer's dilemma is about the annihilation of the self.

Fangz fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Oct 11, 2013

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Suleman posted:

From the weirdest fanart thread, relevant for this thread:



Oh dear.

Gosh, that is a lot of effort and non-zero talent spent on a stupid idea.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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ADullMin posted:

Is there a remake? Because after seeing the characters eyes being compared to bugs so often I don't know if I can really get hit hard emotionally by bug romance.

Just watch the anime, seriously.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Silver2195 posted:

That general attitude is dumb but I can almost accept it as a genre convention inherited from Byron or something, but characters who rape their younger siblings and the reader is supposed to be OK with it are a different matter. :catstare:

It's not really treated as a joke. It's more well, the protagonist has complicated feelings about it, and about intimacy in general as a result. Especially when the person who did it was subsequently punished by the State in an extreme way, together with the rest of his family. Personally, it seemed reasonable that the MC adopts a forgiving attitude towards the whole thing, which is what the narrative requires. I don't see the story as requiring you to be okay with it.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Stall_19 posted:

Reading the Ririko after-story on the Sharin no Kuni fandisk. :suicide:

None of the after-stories have been good but this one is downright painful.



So far this is pretty much the entire after-story so far. Pointless random conversations.


God make it stop!! This dialogue is awful!


What can I even say at this point?

*sigh* Lovely. So the story of this day in the game. Ririko wakes him up at 5am, gets bored so they play a word association game, she's not any good at it and gets bored again, she suggest they go to the cave, they get to the front of the cave and have a small argument about NOTHING and she goes home without ever entering the cave. This is pointlessness: the route.

Don't read the after stories. The prequel and the joke story are the only good parts.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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I believe the story with Sharin no Kuni was that the sex scenes, the epilogue and the heroine after stories were written by a separate author, so they differ drastically in quality and tone. If you want something more after the ending, the prequel story in the fan disk eventually ties back into the events of the original story and gives it a bit more closure. The heroine specific after stories are absolutely worthless unless you want another sex scene and some lol-random bullshit (wwwwhhhhhyyyyyy?).

If you want to get the best experience out of SnK, reject all the romance scenes (the main character doesn't have to be mean to any of them, he just needs to say No). It's probably the least obnoxious route. Or just stop reading right as the epilogue starts and go straight to the prequel story.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

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Nephilm posted:

The premise that a society would return to a carbon copy of it while in a generational space ship is over the top.

Why? Future society regresses to feudal medievalism has been done plenty of times in all sorts of scifi. Hate merely uses a southeast asian model of feudalism than the European version that is commonly used. One wonders what you make of LoGH.

EDIT: VVV Oops.

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Blhue posted:

Not sure if it could be called a true end, but yeah. Its sort of an epilogue to the Fate route. It also doesn't make a lick of sense.

I read Last Episode as Archer's epilogue, possibly set sometime after the end of the Universe. There's probably some holes in that from a meta-verse rules of magic point of view, but meh, that reading probably does the least damage to the rest of the narrative.

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