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FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Gen. Ripper posted:

(Aside from Orange County, that place can die in hellfire.)
This is the most important part in the OP.

Gen. Ripper posted:

you may wonder how this state is so liberal.
It is always (not really) shocking how people view CA. CA is one of the more developed police-states in the US.

:patriot:Birthplace of SWAT:patriot:

Also CA jails/prisons are the stuff of 1980s HBO movies.

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FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Classic Twisty posted:

What's so great about California

Its political acumen!



Its grand Capitalist *cough* leftist economy!



And its beautiful beaches!

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Ardennes posted:

the traffic reminds me how much living in LA sucks.
...
there is a vast expanse of far shitter more conservative states out there
These are true truths. :(

etalian posted:

Yeah LA is really huge at 503 sq miles due to how the city aggressively annexed surrounding areas over the years.
That, and the fact that at >9million people "greater LA" by itself is the 5th most populated State in the entire US. Politics do not allow SoCal to be treated the way it would need to be treated to become stable/sustainable. (Treated as though it were its own nation-state essentially. It has the population of a small country, the economy of a big one, and the needs of a medium one. It nevertheless has to survive the "opinions" of some closeted sexistbigothomopedo Senatorpeople in the south who should not matter at all when it comes to what CA needs. DTtS.)

redscare posted:

part of the reason why 70% of the budget goes to pay for police and firefighter salaries and benefits
Police are 70% of what has ruined LA. (And its not because LA does not need police. It definitely needs police. Unfortunately: see LAPD; LACS)

Pretty much explains itself in a lot of circumstances. "Oakland." Best thing about Oakland: Its near Berkeley. Next best thing: its cheaper than Berkeley. Funniest thing: the Whole Foods hovering on the edge to save on rent but still get Berkeley shoppers. (Ok its not the funniest, but still.)

Glass of Milk posted:

The prison unions pretty much own the Democrats along with teacher unions, so the prison system is ridiculous.
People have mentioned the issue several time, so Ill sya this is worth reading: Crime Control as Industry

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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The Warszawa posted:

Jerry Brown is in open defiance of a Supreme Court ruling that the California prisons are flouting the Eighth Amendment, to the point where he has been reprimanded yet again by the federal courts. It's getting into full-on-the-South-refusing-to-desegregate territory.
Cant squeeze money out of a rock cop-and-prison-guard State.

The only solution at hand is to start releasing people. Hes a politician. Not likely to happen. :(





Obdicut posted:

those on the 'left' side being very closely tied to unions, and the prison union (and some related unions) is extremely powerful in California, and they have pretty good relationships with other unions Edit: I was wrong about this. It's really hard to get anywhere in California statewide politics by doing stuff the prison union doesn't like.
Your strikethrough fixed it. Nevermind.

Theres a variety of books on the prison-industrial complex that explains their power (shockingly, its money!) if youre interested. The one I linked up-thread is pretty short.





Rude. posted:

My cousin lives in San Diego and she just graduated with bachelors in visual arts. Her favorite book is Atlas Shrugged :( I guess it takes a special type of crazy to live there continually.
SD grows its own brand of rightwingers. They arent OC-bad, but they are like politically lazy fish who cant see the water they are living in (and the water is the seven military bases and the transparent Republican overlay in most local media).





Best Friends posted:

If stupid residential water use wasn't a thing all over California, including Southern California, this might have more impact.
Commercial water use is a huge problem as well.

The whole thing is highlighted by the fact that municipal water is more expensive in Seattle than LA. Something is wrong with the valuation-to-waste mechanism.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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UberJew posted:

This is exactly what the SCOTUS ordered that he do in 2011. Let's be clear here this is not business as usual; politicians have done unpopular things when required to by law before, his current defiance is in fact exceptionally assholish even for a governor.
I both agree and disagree.

I disagree with the "exceptionally" part. I would say it is predictable. The Governator himself did a 180 regarding a high-prfile prison issue when the Prison Industry barked at him.

Brown wont release prison_money_units until he is leaving for good, or the feds are literally hauling him away for some kind of PR-constructed anti-CA tribunal (which is the only way it would happen).

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Armani posted:

What about Dr. Drew?
gently caress no. Wanna lock him in a cell with a 40 and a bat and Dr Dre.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUKo3QUzn9Y

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Armani posted:

Fantastic music link aside - any reason to distrust Drew?
He pushes psych meds like a pimp pushes hos. I am not a fan. (For perspective I have worked at a locked psychiatric facility in the past as a MHW. I am not Alex-Jones-ing here.)

Excuse all the crappy second rate Time links. I dont want to dig through the forest of folders to find my old effortpost material.




quote:

Pinsky reportedly accepted the six-figure sum over the course of two months in 1999 for extolling the virtues of the antidepressant “in settings where it did not appear that [he] was speaking for GSK,” according to the Justice Department.

Pinsky, who would later go on to host “Celebrity Rehab with Dr. Drew" and "Sober House" touted Wellbutrin SR for its ability to “increase libido” in depressed patients.

... GSK also encouraged doctors and medical health-experts to prescribe Wellbutrin for non-FDA approved treatment for weight loss, ADHD and drug addiction.

Also the typical "Here take this drug I make money pushing, sure it can cause anxiety and seizures, and sure it is no more effective than a placebo, but COME ON MAN DO IT $$$$$$".
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-information/DR600283/DSECTION=side-effects

http://au.businessinsider.com/14-documents-from-glaxosmithklines-3-billion-drug-marketing-scandal-that-will-disgust-you-2012-7

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GlaxoSmithKline paid $3 billion to end an investigation by the Department of Justice into its illegal marketing of the antidepressants Paxil and Wellbutrin, and the diabetes drug Avandia. The payment—the largest ever in drug marketing—is accompanied by criminal convictions for the company.

The deal also reveals the DOJ's evidence against the company, collected over more than a decade, dating back to the late 1990s.

Among that evidence:

GSK promoted Paxil for children when in fact it can cause suicidal behavior in kids.
GSK promoted Wellbutrin as a sex drug and TV's Dr. Drew Pinsky was on the company's payroll.
And GSK gave lavish vacations and "speaking fees" to doctors who agreed to promote the drugs to their colleagues.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/18/new-research-on-the-antidepressant-versus-placebo-debate/

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However, Krystal adds, just under a quarter of patients did not respond well to drug treatment and in fact did worse on antidepressants than did patients who were given a placebo.

...

A separate study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry (AJP) in December highlights other potential complications. The authors of that paper report that since 1980, the percentage of depressed patients responding to a placebo in clinical trials has risen by 7% per decade, reaching 50% in some studies.

...

Given the complexities of studying antidepressants — which appear to be placebos for some, poisons for others and miracle pills for yet others — it seems that data analysis in antidepressant research will likely remain a growth industry for decades to come.

Big money if youre a pusher though.

http://healthland.time.com/2011/11/16/report-whos-taking-mental-health-drugs-in-america/

quote:

More than 1 in 5 American adults now takes at least one type of medication to treat a psychological disorder, a 22% rise since 2001, according to new statistics released by Medco Health Solutions, which monitors drug trends in insurance claims. The data don't necessarily mean that we are overmedicated. Indeed, the World Health Organization estimates that slightly more than a quarter of Americans suffer from mental illness in any given year.

Keep redefining "normal" until the pills run out! Hire a hoard of Dr Drews to sell your poo poo...

You know what is convenient about stress-inducing shows like Dr Drews Advice Hour?:
http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/03/study-how-chronic-stress-can-lead-to-depression/

quote:

Study: How Chronic Stress Can Lead to Depression

The new research, published in Nature, builds on earlier studies showing that chronic high stress kills neurons and prevents neurogenesis — or the birth of new brain cells — in a region called the hippocampus. Neurogenesis in the hippocampus seems to be necessary for a healthy stress response.

Anyway, back to Drew - like most whitecoats on the pharma payroll he is an unremitting and unapologetic piece of poo poo:

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2012/07/how-dr-drew-sold-his-cred-to-big-pharma/259473/

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How Dr. Drew Sold His Cred to Big Pharma

On Monday night, Dr. Drew Pinsky's program on HLN -- the network formerly known as CNN Headline News -- explored the everyman's dilemma of "how to tell if your doctor is hooked on drugs." Informative as the segment proved to be, one surefire signal your doc's hooked didn't come up. Any time federal prosecutors release a cache of documents proving that a pharmaceutical company paid your doctor $275,000 as part of a criminal plan to market its antidepressant for unapproved uses, your doctor has a drug problem. Dr. Pinsky is one of many physicians GlaxoSmithKline (formerly Glaxo Wellcome) sent around to trump up Wellbutrin's potential uses outside of FDA ground rules. His activities, elaborately decorated as a public educational campaign, amounted to a convenient contraption GSK used to launder illegal marketing messages.

...

Though GSK pled criminally guilty and will fork out $3 billion in penalties for violations ranging from illegal marketing to misreporting drug prices, Pinsky's role as GSK's enabler doesn't constitute a crime. But the extent to which he deceived his audiences as part of the GSK-prescribed program, which involved town halls, writings, and media appearances, ought to end his career with CNN.

...

Dr. Drew hasn't apologized and has instead issued a statement saying his comments about Wellbutrin were based on his own clinical experience. That's the claim most doctors make when pressed about giving remarkably on-message pharma-sponsored talks.
http://www.occupyhln.org/dr-drew/dr-drew-pinsky-and-his-checkered-history-of-robbing-people/

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n Dr. Drew’s case, the Justice Department isn’t the first to point out that he’s been taking money from pharmaceutical companies and medical device manufacturers. In January, while researching conflicts of interest caused by pharmaceutical payments, Slate.com discovered that Pinsky had taken $115,000 from Janssen Pharmaceuticals. When the news went public, Janssen was the first to defend Pinsky, stating that the money was for a program “aimed at educating teens, parents, and educators about the prevalence and serious risks of teen prescription drug abuse in the U.S. …” And Alison Rudnick, a spokesperson for CNN’s Headline News network, home of the show Dr. Drew, emailed Slate.com to confirm that, if appropriate, “Dr. Drew would provide an on-air disclaimer if he were to do a story involving Janssen Pharmaceuticals.” Be that as it may, there was no such disclaimer last week when the subject of the Dr. Drew show was gastric bypass surgery — even though the Los Angeles Times had an article in December questioning the propriety of Pinsky’s role as a spokesperson for 1-800-GET-THIN, a lap-band surgery marketing firm (a source at Headline News says that the lap-band deal had elapsed by the time the gastric bypass show aired, so no disclosure was necessary).

Theres a bunch of really disturbing exposes on the ways pharma uses disgraced doctors to "educate" both the public and other doctors using a bunch of researched manipulation techniques to get their pills in your body.

Report Details Drug Company’s Close Ties With Disgraced Doctor (Midei)
http://www.propublica.org/blog/item/read-report-details-drug-companys-close-ties-with-disgraced-doctor

Disgraced FDA Official Goes Back to Big Pharma (Gottlieb)
http://www.alternet.org/story/72513/disgraced_fda_official_goes_back_to_big_pharma

Big Pharma buys off the Senate
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/25/big_pharma_buys_off_the_senate/


Back to Drew - plus all of his sex advice was: "Well I have daughters and ... I dont approve of what you are saying... "

(e: wow today was typo day. must be time for my pills.)

FRINGE fucked around with this message at 19:45 on Jun 30, 2013

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Arsenic Lupin posted:

A bright chancellor at one of the SoCal community colleges (I forget which) proposed a solution: raise the prices on the most popular courses to cut down demand. No, seriously. :commissar:
Its what his undergrad econ prof advised him to do. :smug:

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Mayor Dave posted:

I can't help feeling like the prison industry in California is akin to the defense industry in America

Its a long uphill battle too.

http://www.vice.com/read/whos-getting-rich-off-the-prison-industrial-complex

quote:

The Vanguard Group and Fidelity Investments are America’s top two 401(k) providers. They are also two of the private prison industry’s biggest investors.

...

This is especially true for government employees like public school teachers because their retirement funds are some of the biggest investors in private prisons.

...

Most of these employees are probably unaware that their pensions are tied to prisons—and it’s hard to say that these are “bad” investments from a purely capitalistic perspective, since these prisons are making money hand over fist. The private prison industry is entrenched in our society. And the only way to make sure that we’re not individually and collectively profiting off of it is to close these things.

So people that are actually anti-prison-complex are (unknowingly) tricked into supporting it via their own retirement funds. Yet another strategic trick of the "privatize it" crowd regarding retirement.

Which has helped (neo-slavery, same as the old slavery):

http://www.globalresearch.ca/profit-driven-prison-industrial-complex-the-economics-of-incarceration-in-the-usa/29109
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-prison-industry-in-the-united-states-big-business-or-a-new-form-of-slavery/8289
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pentagon-and-slave-labor-in-u-s-prisons/25376

quote:

The number of people imprisoned under state and federal custody increased 772% percent between 1970 and 2009, largely due to the incredible influence private corporations wield against the American legal system.

...

Furthermore, prison labor is employed not only in the assembly of complex components used in F-15 fighter jets and Cobra helicopters, it also supplies 98% of the entire market for equipment assembly services, with similar statistics in regard to products such as paints, stoves, office furniture, headphones, and speakers.

quote:

Prisoners earning 23 cents an hour in U.S. federal prisons are manufacturing high-tech electronic components for Patriot Advanced Capability 3 missiles, launchers for TOW (Tube-launched, Optically tracked, Wire-guided) anti-tank missiles, and other guided missile systems.

And there is the Old Enemy (propaganda):

http://www.publiceye.org/defendingjustice/overview/herzing_pic.html

quote:

The media have played a pivotal role in cementing who and what we understand as "criminal," what suitable responses are to "criminal" acts, as well as creating and amplifying feelings of fear and vulnerability among their audiences.7 According to a 1996 ABC News poll, for instance, 76% of the public said they develop their opinions about crime as a result of news stories, while only 22% based their opinions on information gained through personal experience.

quote:

Despite the fact that prisons are incredibly detrimental both to the communities from which prisoners come and the communities in which prisons are located, they continue to be pawned off on poor communities as economic miracles. Public officials often portray prisons as "clean industries" and promise hundreds of good jobs to economically desperate towns.

Sense?

http://www.truth-out.org/progressive-picks/item/16003-the-prison-industrial-complex-the-pac-man-that-destroys-lives

quote:

Most people don't realize that it costs, let's say $25,000 a year, to pay for the imprisonment of one person for a year (and that figure varies of course) and a lot more for solitary confinement. Many people are in prison because they couldn't find jobs in their neighborhood except selling drugs. Why not just find them a job that pays at least $25,000 a year and help rebuild communities instead of perpetuating the selling of drugs to feed the prison-industrial complex?

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Also - its going to get worse before/if it gets better.

https://www.rutherford.org/publicat...ustrial_complex

quote:

Yet while providing security, housing, food, medical care, etc., for six million Americans is a hardship for cash-strapped states, to profit-hungry corporations such as Corrections Corp of America (CCA) and GEO Group, the leaders in the partnership corrections industry, it’s a $70 billion gold mine. Thus, with an eye toward increasing its bottom line, CCA has floated a proposal to prison officials in 48 states offering to buy and manage public prisons at a substantial cost savings to the states. In exchange, and here’s the kicker, the prisons would have to contain at least 1,000 beds and states would have agree to maintain a 90% occupancy rate in the privately run prisons for at least 20 years.

The problem with this scenario, as Roger Werholtz, former Kansas secretary of corrections, recognizes is that while states may be tempted by the quick infusion of cash, they “would be obligated to maintain these (occupancy) rates and subtle pressure would be applied to make sentencing laws more severe with a clear intent to drive up the population.” Unfortunately, that’s exactly what has happened.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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UberJew posted:

In order to stop that sort of thing from happening again it became an unofficial policy (hell maybe it was official at the time, but at least today it isn't in the DOM) to encourage racial division amongst inmate populations through selective enforcement and thus were born the modern prison gangs.
At least as of 2005 I was told that this was still the strategy (by a research prof that works with the prison industry).

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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All Of The Dicks posted:

Fresno can't go on being Fresno forever.
I had never pegged you as a bright eyed optimist before now. :v:

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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I am OK posted:

Nightly track maintenance
For trivias sake, what is involved with this?

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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How is a genre of music (stripped of all lyrics) possibly "racist" to begin with?

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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sincx posted:

That is a bit extreme, but the SEIU needs to be careful and not overplay their hand. They're disliked enough already. If this goes on for another week, watch for a "Right to Work" [FOR INMATES] proposition in 2014.
Fixed that for you. :ca:

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Kyrie eleison posted:

All this talk of the increasing lack of security amongst Bart employees; wasn't there a lot of rabble a while ago about disbanding the Bart police? Yes, this sounds familiar.
Yes, dismantling the CA police state is just like Union Busting writ large. With an attitude like that you should send a check into the CCPOA, they would love to hear from you! unless I miscontrued your post

(With sound: watch?v=kLjYhdCf_YA )
(Six views of the incident: watch?v=rSN5WF9qD3g )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2LDw5l_yMI

Different day, different victim:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rAlaNyZCH8

How to handle an angry drunk guy (if youre a BART cop)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-2DFPFJIM8

Speaking of those little darlings, I love how the prison "guards" pull the "tough on crime" bullshit and then stories like this always come out:

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/feb/04/local/la-me-prison-guards-20110204

quote:

Prison employees, roughly half of whom are unionized guards, are the main source of smuggled phones that inmates use to run drugs and other crimes, according to legislative analysts who examined the problem last year.

The rightwing will lock onto the word "union" and ignore the rest. "Unions are giving inmates illegal contraband!"

Ah well.

http://www.policynook.com/index/2012/9/25/california-prison-guard-union-the-toughest-beast-in-the-stat.html

quote:

The California correctional officers’ union (CCPOA) has been guarding more than just prison inmates. As one of the most influential special interest groups in the state, it has secured and steadfastly held onto some of the highest salaries and benefits awarded to state employees.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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SirPablo posted:

Build tube tracks, run it under the surface of the ocean.
Off the coast of CA? What could go wrong with that?



FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Leperflesh posted:

(But, what does this say about the worst CA papers, like The San Francisco Examiner
I dont remember what they are called but I have seen some terrible local papers somewhere across OC and SD.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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SporkOfTruth posted:

Come on, our union reps have always been the more radical types, particularly after the last big leadership election where the less radical elements got thrown out for being ineffective and lovely negotiators. I'll take the rhetoric if it means they'll stick it to the Regents and the UCOP during the bargaining.
No poo poo. The semi-left always shits in its own mouth because they are so "offended" by the people trying to help them.






Shear Modulus posted:

I'm ashamed to admit that I haven't been paying enough attention to the President search, but what's even the rationale for hiring Napolitano? Is she really the best rainmaker that was available? Or do they think that her association with a huge bloated security agency will confuse Brown enough to want to give her a giant portion out of the budget?
There is always dirty politicking via the war-industry, as well as the money-industry, when the UCs are involved.

quote:

Los Alamos National Laboratory (or LANL; previously known at various times as Project Y, Los Alamos Laboratory, and Los Alamos Scientific Laboratory) is one of two laboratories in the United States where classified work towards the design of nuclear weapons is undertaken. The other, since 1952, is Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

quote:

Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory (LLNL) is a Federally Funded Research and Development Center (FFRDC) founded by the University of California in 1952. It is primarily funded by the United States Department of Energy (DOE) and managed and operated by Lawrence Livermore National Security, LLC (LLNS), a partnership of the University of California, Bechtel, Babcock & Wilcox, URS, and Battelle Memorial Institute in affiliation with the Texas A&M University System. The laboratory was honored in 2012 by having the synthetic chemical element livermorium named after it.

http://www.spot.us/pitches/337-investors-club-how-the-uc-regents-spin-public-funds-into-private-profit

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Several very wealthy, politically powerful men are fixtures on the regent's investment committee, including Richard C. Blum (Wall Streeter, war contractor, and husband of U.S. Senator Dianne Feinstein), and Paul Wachter (Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger’s long-time business partner and financial advisor). The probability of conflicts of interest inside this committee—as it moves billions of dollars between public and private companies and investment banks—is enormous. While some of this mammoth cash exchange takes place in the sunlight of the public eye, much of it is done behind closed doors, and the regents decline to disclose the names and activities of many of their private equity investment partners. "Dark pool" investments of this type are not available to ordinary investors--you have to know someone who manages them--like Messrs. Blum or Wachter.

It is no accident that most of the appointed regents are multi-millionaires with little or no experience in education, but with tons of experience in making lucrative deals, often by leveraging public funds.

http://www.alternet.org/education/uc-regents-using-public-research-private-gain

quote:

Universities Selling Out Important Research to Corporate Overseers

UC Regents recently approved a new corporate entity that will likely give a group of well-connected businesspeople control over how academic research is used.

In a unanimous vote last month, the Regents of the University of California created a corporate entity that, if spread to all UC campuses as some regents envision, promises to further privatize scientific research produced by taxpayer-funded laboratories. The entity, named Newco for the time being, also would block a substantial amount of UC research from being accessible to the public, and could reap big profits for corporations and investors that have ties to the well-connected businesspeople who will manage it.

Despite the sweeping changes the program portends for UC, the regents' vote received virtually no press coverage.

FRINGE fucked around with this message at 07:17 on Jul 18, 2013

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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SporkOfTruth posted:

I'm not sure what you're insinuating about LLNL, because not everything they do is for pew-pew MIC purposes.
It allows a lot of leverage coming from the DoE and the DoD on closed-door decision making. Like say appointing a Homeland Security shill to the UC.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Ardennes posted:

I think I will use "the" in front of every highway name until I die, it is too ingrained in my brain at this point to stop.

Eventually the rest of humanity to have to learn to conform.
Yeah, they already sound like us on most televised media so we'll win eventually. :ca:

Ardennes posted:

You must properly honor the great 405, for it controls life and death.
gently caress the 405. Worst thing in CA. Death to the 405/101 exchange for it is spawned of hell.



Leperflesh posted:

but northern Californians (and especially in the Bay Area) omit it.
No one near The Bay can afford the extra letters.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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FCKGW posted:

Hell, I might even say that Orange County is the best thing about this whole state. You know what they say, "As goes the OC, so goes the nation"
Just because its true doesnt mean its best. :qq:

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Illuminado posted:

It feels weird to read this and be in neither SF or SoCal.

We just call it (and I'm giving myself away here), "99" or "80", while on the rare occasion, we call it "THE Five"

In any case, keep fighting, it's hella entertaining.

edit:
NorCal


VS

SoCal


NorCal is the Superior Cal
Oh downtown how I miss thee. (lol)

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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FCKGW posted:

At this point they should rip the wheels off an RV and start stacking them.
The prototypes have been around for a while. Of course the architect-dream ones are not what we will all end up actually living in.

http://design-milk.com/12-homes-made-from-shipping-containers/

http://www.mnn.com/your-home/remodeling-design/photos/8-eye-catching-shipping-container-homes/a-new-kind-of-living

http://humble-homes.com/mobile-homes-a-transforming-shipping-container-house/



We'll get something more like this:

http://www.startribune.com/local/yourvoices/181679951.html

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Keyser S0ze posted:

Real Estate Investment Firms
Those vampiric scumbags are making GBS threads on the entire country (again).

A friend of mine was complaining about this recently:

http://www.vcstar.com/news/2013/jan/25/big-investment-firm-continues-to-buy-homes-in/?print=1

quote:

Invitation Homes, an arm of the international private equity giant the Blackstone Group, has purchased 23 homes in Ventura County through Wednesday, bringing its total number of purchases to 139 since it began snapping up distressed homes and converting them to rentals late last summer.

As The Star reported last month, Invitation Homes has targeted Ventura County as one of 10 markets nationwide in which it has purchased more than 12,500 homes as part of business plan to become the nation's first large-scale, brand-name company in the single-family home rental market.

...

DataQuick, a San Diego real estate analytic firm, reported last week that cash buyers accounted for 33.8 percent of all Southern California home purchases in December, tying a record that had been established the previous month.

Absentee buyers, which DataQuick reports were mostly investors, accounted for 29.1 percent of home sales in December — up from 26.8 percent a year earlier and well above the monthly average of 17.7 percent since 2000.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Leperflesh posted:

I'm not gonna go all free market capitalism rah rah on you or anything, but if rent is too high, adding units to the market should help to lower rents.
I think you are wrong.

They are removing houses from potential homeowners indefinitely, and taking enough property under their control that they will be able to influence the rental rates on top of limiting the available entry-level houses for some time.

There is little entry-level home construction as-is, and rental rates for the no-options crowd are still rising.

That is why investment companies are getting involved. Theres poor people to fleece. I mean "investments" to be made.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Miss-Bomarc posted:

they can just sit on empty units forever instead of having to sell them at the market price, which guarantees that whatever *does* go on the market will go for prices that make 2005 look reasonable.
If you seize the food, the water, and the shelter, you get an entire country of voluntary slaves. I am sure no one thought of this and its all just an accident. :kiddo:

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Leperflesh posted:

it still leaves a huge gap between the majority (which are owner-occupied)
... And dont matter at all in the Land Lordship Rental Game.

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Blackstone has spent more than $2.5 billion on 16,000 homes to manage as rentals, deploying capital from the $13.3 billion fund it raised last year, said Jonathan Gray, global head of real estate for the world’s largest private equity firm. That’s up from $1 billion of homes owned in October, when Blackstone Chairman Stephen Schwarzman said the company was spending $100 million a week on houses.

Blackstone is the largest investor in single-family homes to manage as rentals
They do not care about the boomers camping in the homes they bought for a dollar-fifty forty years ago.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Leperflesh posted:

I don't think the word "conspiracy" is accurate or helpful.
It is exactly accurate, and should be reclaimed as an appropriate 'mode' of conjecture from the people who hide their would-be conspiracies by laughing at people who theorize about them.

People working together and using secrecy to further their agenda..? Thats a conspiracy.

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But there's no loving conspiracy, it's just people with a lot of money recognizing a potentially lucrative investment opportunity.
... and to take best advantage of the "lesser people" they attempt to maneuver as quietly as possible. Corporations are one type of legalized functioning conspiracy. It doesnt matter if you dislike the word because "lol the UFO people" (or whatever).

Leperflesh posted:

So yeah. Every corporation that sells products is in a conspiracy to extract money from the working classes!
Insofar as they have strategy meetings to suppress evidence, hide liabilities, inflate percieved rewards, manipulate markets, create a sense of desperation to squeeze workers - your statement was non-ironically correct.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Leperflesh posted:

OK, I apologize. I thought we were talking about the California real estate market. It turns out, we were discussing some kind of "capitalism is theft" just-world political stance or something. That's not what I came to this thread for, so I'll happily drop it.
You may feel that "capitalism is theft", but the discussion you started was about "conspiracy".

I was pointing out that "conspiracy" is the normal operating practice of the market and that you did not seem to understand that.

The ironic things is that you will delinieate the ways that this is true, but then you feel inclined to call it something like "good business" and get upset when it is called "conspiracy". You might end up feeling that both are true, but you do not get to drop the also-true label you dislike.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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cheese posted:

Sacramento is not as bad

I got that far and thought of this:



http://sacramento.cbslocal.com/2011/12/28/sacramento-tent-city-warning/
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/26/us/26sacramento.html
http://archive2.capradio.org/168039

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Papercut posted:

The problem with this is that the native ecosystem of the Inland Empire is chaparral. It's dry, dusty shrubland. It works fine as a front yard, but is no substitute for a lawn. I'm not saying that lawns are right, but telling families in the IE to convert their lawns to native gardens is not going to be too convincing.



GIS for "xeriscape" or "xeriscaping" and you will see some attractive area-appropriate landscaping.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Miss-Bomarc posted:

Welcome to the new economy, where fast food service is expected to be a viable career path.

http://www.alternet.org/economy/obama-legacy-income-inequality

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New research from inequality experts Thomas Piketty and Emmanuel Saez has revealed that we now have the biggest gap between the rich and rest of America since economists began tracking data a century ago.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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enraged_camel posted:

Marketing, management, business development... I could go on.
You are incredibly and exactly wrong. Have fun marketing and managing your food-less restaurant.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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All Of The Dicks posted:

Human beings are not a herd, though?
You obviously are not a genetically advanced "manager".

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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enraged_camel posted:

Have fun wasting money preparing and cooking food for nobody.
Yeah no one eats "food" without some business vampire eating money at the top of the enterprise. :rolleyes:

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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predicto posted:

Stay classy, San Diego!

(someone had to say it)
Not worth saying it. Its like saying "Stay ethical OC!"

Theres just no point. :negative:

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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All of OC is just OC. :colbert: "That wasteland" is also acceptable.

SoCal/NorCal become kind of common terms once you get near Salinas/Santa Cruz for some reason. (Nortenos/Sorenos stuff?)

Its also fine for non-CA people to call everything north of OC and south of San Luis "LA". Its a lost cause to try and explain anything more detailed than that. All you get is "San Diego", "Orange County", and "LA". Everyone is fine with that except for people in OC who really want to not admit to being OC.

FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Leperflesh posted:

Is it true your cops are all corrupt racists?
If you replace "all" with "almost all" ... yes.

WampaLord posted:

No, but I would argue it's just as good. I'm heading up to SF in a couple weeks so maybe I'll reevaluate after that visit.
Berkeley by itself out-foods most of LA.

Leperflesh posted:

Disneyland actually sucks
This thread is getting heavy with Truths. Many years ago I was there late enough to get an idea of the many of tons of trash strewn about daily for the capitalist mouseshow. That was literally the beginning of my thinking about trash and how much poo poo mind-less people can produce. :( (Its like 100,000 pounds per day or something.)

withak posted:

Due to the standard northern California diet our poo poo, in fact, does not stink.
:iceburn:

Kenning posted:

Also the tap water is loving delicious.
The farther north you go, the farther from LA you get, the more true this is. Oregon and Washington made me finally understand how people defend tap water.





FMguru posted:

Why bother spending money on efficiency when your water costs are subsidized
Not just that, but a bunch of politically connected people are trading water for piles of gold.

Of course that piece of trash Fienstein is involved.

http://www.c-win.org/gaming-california-water-system.html
http://www.alternet.org/story/144020/how_limousine_liberals%2C_water_oligarchs_and_even_sean_hannity_are_hijacking_our_water_supply
http://ecowatch.com/2012/03/01/house-passes-california-water-grab-bill/

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A seven-year drought ending in the early 1990s pitted Southern California water contractors, such as the Metropolitan Water District, against agricultural contractors, such as the Kern County Water Agency. Each region made its case to the state, telling why it deserved to receive the water guaranteed by long-standing contracts. In the drought's worst years, urban users got 30% of the draw, while Kern farmers received less than 5%.

In 1994, agricultural and urban interests threatened to sue the state for nondelivery. The main parties gathered in a closed-door meeting in Monterey to hash out a settlement. Public interest groups, environmentalists and smaller water contractors -- locked out of the meeting -- cried foul.

When it was over, the very flow of California water had been redirected.

Redirected, as in "privatized."

...

But their $73-million water deal shows that farm subsidies aren't the only, or even the most, lucrative handout that has the Vidoviches living well. The money paid out via farm subsidies pale in comparison to the massive profits that can be reaped from simply reselling the heavily taxpayer subsidized water they receive from the state.

According one state water official, the Vidovich's $5,200 per acre-foot deal with the Mojave Water Agency was nearly double previous record price paid for water in California.

Just look at these profit margins: these days, Central Valley farmers buy water from California's Department of Water Resources for a heavily-subsidized $100 to $500 per acre-foot, while city slickers in San Francisco pay around $8,500 for the same water. With this kind of discount, Vidoviches could score a ten- to fifty-fold spread on their purchase-to-sale price. Even if they paid the maximum price of $500 per acre-foot, the water they sold to the Mojave Desert for $73 million would have only cost them $7 million. That's $66 million in pure profit, and all they have to do is let a couple of hundred acres of almond groves wither and let California taxpayers, their ritzy Los Altos Hills neighbors included, fill up their bank accounts.

Shocking as this textbook example of transfer of wealth is, it is neither an isolated incident nor a freak loophole. It was the intended effect of the deregulation and privatization of water hashed in Monterey almost 15 years ago, which transformed water into a truly liquid asset that could be traded with ease on the market. (In 2002, the Sacramento Bee estimated that members of the Kern County Water Bank made at least $128 million from water sales to other cities and counties, which the paper admitted was an incomplete and low-ball figure.)

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FRINGE
May 23, 2003
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Shbobdb posted:

I will say that Oakland is super litigious.
Oakland also has the fake-est of fake streetsweeping tickets to raise revenue for their army of murdercops or whatever. They also like wrapping the 3-times-a-week tickets around the midnight marker so it confuses everyone.

(They are fake-est because I was curious and waited one night/morning when I was first there and got zapped by one of the flock of ticket-makers. SURPRISE! There are hoards of currency-collectors but no actual street sweepers. Good thing they faithfully write 70+ dollar tickets 3 nights a week in neighborhoods with no parking.)

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