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Sedge and Bee posted:Are we seriously in for 4 years of lamenting the socialist utopia of Mulcairistan that could have been, alternating with bitter cynicism? Didn't the NDP run to the right of the liberals this election
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Heavy neutrino posted:Not really, but I figure a lot of people would think so given that the NDP campaign's tone and theme was conservative -- stability, balanced approach, gradual progress and the like. It was a horrible misread of an electorate that was obviously (in hindsight) receptive to change and vision. Congrats to the NDP on losing my vote by being retards then. When I saw that poo poo in their platform about rewarding "job creators" I felt like they were an effective Liberal clone and there was no need to vote for them
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re: the Ontario death spiral people were talking about earlier. Could lower oil prices lead to a nicer year for the automotive industry and maybe a slightly better year for Ontario? Or is that industry not really relevant to the province anymore?
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Rime posted:We produce some of the best software devs, they don't stay in Canada. There are no incentives for high tech outfits to operate in Canada. Btw, how do software engineers get across the border? I was under the impression that the TN visa specifically excludes em.
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Jan 25, 2016 08:21
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Jun 29, 2016 21:54
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Any good resources on what's in the new free trade deal with the EU that canada just signed? Especially re: IP and copyright laws. Are there any ISDS like provisions that were in the TPP?
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Feb 15, 2017 19:12
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Will competition from the EU save us from Rogers and Bell??
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Feb 15, 2017 19:33
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vyelkin posted:Ontario might update its labour laws: I guess it's only 'under consideration' but I'm shocked governments anywhere are considering stuff like this in 2017.
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SoggyBobcat posted:So if Weaver does end up supporting the Liberals then a lot of Green voters are going to be pretty pissed... right? I don't think they voted to keep Clark in power. I don't even understand what the Green party in BC is. Are they just the ones that got lucky enough to be the first to call themselves that and gather attention/votes solely on having the 'Green' branding? Who are these people
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May 10, 2017 06:26
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Jimbozig posted:NDP partisans itt: I went to their website and they proudly proclaim that they're the only party that bans donations from unions. Anyone who considers themselves left wing and voted for them should be shot in the head and dumped in a ditch.
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May 10, 2017 14:15
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EvilJoven posted:My wife was 2 years into her 4 year advanced mathematics degree at UW when she asked the career counsellors what she could actually use her math degree for and they all went "IDK get more degrees and teach, I guess" Wow, she was given pretty horrible advice. I know a few people who did quant after a 4 year math degree and got stable jobs at banks.
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May 28, 2017 03:23
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so she switched to a three year general degree ground that out real quick and then went to some women in skilled trades course and now she's a construction foreman.
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Jan 23, 2018 23:40
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Apr 23, 2018 21:50
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The last time I looked at the NDP they were making noises about dropping the world socialist from their charter and their platform had glowing words about """job creators""". Jagmeet Singh looks like a smiling neoliberal suit with no real history of pro labour or left wing legislation/activism so I'm not really enthused about voting for a liberal, but orange, party.
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Apr 30, 2018 17:27
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Postess with the Mostest posted:It'd probably backfire. If you had a platform radical enough to get the X% of non-voters who don't vote because nothing appeals to them, that'd probably be enough to get the Y% of non-voters who don't vote because they're satisfied with status quo libcons and don't really care and I'd bet Y is way bigger than X. How do you know
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THC posted:Let me be the first to inform you that Jagmeet Singh is no longer running for the Ontario NDP this election. I am aware of this.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Because X can already vote for Greens and they don't. In the 2015 election when the progressive grassrots had the chance to rise up and Heave Steve, 32% of eligible voters still stayed home. If it turns out there's some massive underground city of dirty progressive folks who would vote for some hypothetical really progressive platform but wouldn't show up to vote against Harper, I swear I'll never make another demolition man reference again. I don't think there is though. I dont know what 'progressive' means, but people in my neighbourhood are pretty deflated and angry because of the rising costs of living and housing and wages not keeping up, to the point of there being actual rent strikes close to where I live. The liberals have shown no interest in all their time in power to fix this and the tories will 100% make it worse. If the NDP had leadership that had a credible history of left wing and socialist support and went full tilt on that platform they would probably wipe out the libs here.
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infernal machines posted:Parkdale? Yes.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Yeah, that's not progressive, that's just wanting the federal government to make it easier for you to pay your own bills, it's the exact same motivation as rurals voting ABL because hydro bills. I don't think your riding ever goes full socialist though, even in 2011 libs + cons got more of the vote than ndp when they were choosing between ignatieff, layton and harper. Lot of people there with a lot of money to lose. The NDP actually won the riding then though, and things have gotten a lot worse since 2011. If they run a lovely liberal platform again they'll lose to the actual Liberals again.
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infernal machines posted:Lol. Vancouver just got stuck with HQ2. Forget any pretense of affordable housing ever again. I'm not seeing that anywhere, just blurbs about expanding their current Vancouver office.
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This thread is pretty big so sorry if I missed it, but does anyone have a good breakdown of the NDP platform in the Ontario election. I'm mulling over whether it's worth voting for them at all.
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Arabian Jesus posted:Before I throw talking points at you let me ask you a few questions: Affordable housing, wealth inequality and the economy. I feel like the tech and real estate bubbles are going to blow up at some point and I want a government prepared for it and to diversify away from it by encouraging other industries, like having a real economy ala Germany that's based on designing/producing goods of actual value that are desired worldwide rather than Juicero startup scams and real estate speculation. Also a government that doesn't respond to deficits with austerity, which has historically proven a disaster everywhere it's been implemented, but that's willing to push for a greater state role in the econom through nationalizations (I will never vote for the Liberals because of Hydro One) of things like utilities, transport and other stuff which provides the government with actual revenue with which to support social services.
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Got told by someone that they're voting for the pcs because the ndp are planning to turn Ontario into a sanctuary province and we'll be overrun by MS13(?) What
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Arcsquad12 posted:The minute a true leftist party gains momentum, the centrist parties switch targets because they'd rather have an elitist Conservative government they can undermine in exile than deal with the threat of socialism. Which party is this?
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May 23, 2018 17:37
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patonthebach posted:Thats a pretty wacky definition. Who privatized hydro again?
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patonthebach posted:Not even in the CF just not such an edgelord I am scared of wearing a poppy and piercing a nipple by accident. Privatization is a right wing policy.
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patonthebach posted:And the OLP are garbage. I'm not voting for wynne mostly because of the hydro one selloff. Words mean things my man.
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May 23, 2018 18:56
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Love that left wing strike breaking https://twitter.com/OntLiberal/status/999309538338762752
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Wirth1000 posted:Wasn't a lot of the Democratic base in the States admitting they didn't bother to vote because they figured Hillary was going to win? (along with pretty much the entire world) They stayed at home because the democrats are a poo poo party that nominated a right wing candidate.
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The tory campaigners in my neighourhood seem to be pretty tone deaf and under the impression that we're in a two party system. Every volunteer and pamphlet keeps emphasizing KATHLEEN WYNNE'S LIBERALS!!! and how bad they are. I know dudes, I wasn't intending to vote for them, just give me a single good reason to vote for you. Feels like they hired Democratic consultants from the states.
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May 31, 2018 15:14
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I could see the Liberals getting wiped out to be honest. Who the hell wants to vote for them, and why?
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I'd say the "harmless centrists" seem to be getting more and more right wing with each year. Wealth inequality, immiseration and a decline in living standards is leading people to radical parties, the standard liberal response is to accuse everyone of being irredeemable racists so they don't have to talk about it. Keeping the spotlight on the culture war stuff means they can keep jerking off their donors behind the scenes, it's the reason the Democrats in the states main priority for a while seemed to be the DACA stuff and while people were focused on that, half of them quietly voted to repeal most of the 2008 regulations on the financial sector that they were paid off to do.
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Typo posted:pure democracy doesn't work though What does that mean
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Obviously you can advocate for economic equality and social issues simultaneously. Liberal politicians don't do the former because it's going to take away their ticket to getting rich. The hosed up thing is that the part of the electorate that are racist, white supremacist, whatever will still vote for progressives if its in their economic best interests to do so. To take the states as an example, a friend of mine canvassing in Pennsylvania in 2008 got a lot of "yeah don't worry, we're voting for the <n-word>" style responses from white households because Obama was was perceived at the time as the best economic hope for them at the time. 8 years later Pennsylvania went Republican and not because misogyny against Clinton overwhelmed racism against Obama, but because, given power, the Democrats had thrown the working class to the wolves while protecting the financial sector from retribution. loving Texas sent Democrats to their senate till the 90s until Bill Clinton's full neoliberal takeover of thr party and destruction of the old union base handed it over to the Republicans. Tldr, terrible racist people can, have and will vote for progressive/left wing candidates as long as they offer economic hope for them. Given the choice of nothing but lovely neoliberalism everywhere, they'll indulge their worst impulses. That's how you get Brexit and Trump. Mark Blyth had a great video with corresponding stats to back it up but I forgot how to find it.
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Libs are doing this too, https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2018/06/01/liberals-raise-doug-ford-drug-allegations-in-campaign-ads.html Why do the liberals keep giving us reasons to vote for the other parties
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It's going to be really cool seeing the SPD die the death it deserves. I hope the Liberals go the same way.
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If their lovely policies weren't enough, hearing their stupid ads play after every single loving song on my gym playlist has now convinced me not to vote for the tories.
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Reince Penis posted:I sat down to read the new issue of Jacobin (shut up) tonight and would you look at who's on the letters page lol Getfiscal owns and should be unbanned
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Helsing posted:At this point we just gotta hope a bunch of liberals flip to the NDP last minute and that millenials turn out in the same numbers as they did in the 2015 federal election. Congrats to premier ford
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Yinlock posted:baby boomers No, plenty of people our age are pretty right wing.
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