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Serf
May 5, 2011


really who among us is not a secret kenyan

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Karl Barks posted:

has anyone spent the time to go all the way through piketty's capital in the 21st century? I was thinking about picking it up and reading it over my christmas vacation

I bought it a couple weeks ago on the recommendation of a friend, who says its pretty good. I also got The Economics of Inequality, which is shorter, so I'm working my way through it first and it's interesting thus far

Serf
May 5, 2011


Only a sith deals in absolutes.

Serf
May 5, 2011


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Kreia was right

unironically this

Serf
May 5, 2011


Michael Bayleaf posted:

From my point of view the jedi are evil.

they are, yes

Serf
May 5, 2011


chapo trap house makes 31,000 per month on Patreon, what more income do they need lol

Serf
May 5, 2011


deadgoon posted:

either the fully automated production system is owned collectively, in which case congratulations, you've got a technoutopian communist society where the necessary labor time for reproducing everyone's stand of living is extremely low

or it's not, in which case why do the rich not just let all the useless people die, or why do the masses not rise up and seize the robot factories

the armies of automated weapons systems I guess

Serf
May 5, 2011


i mean when people accused huey long's share our wealth program of being communist, he deflected by saying it was inspired by christian beliefs

which ain't a bad strategy

Serf
May 5, 2011


Feminasty Slut posted:

Christians just voted for a man who's into watersports with prostitutes. Nothing matters.

which just reinforces the idea that if they'll vote for that, they'll vote for socialism

Serf
May 5, 2011


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The latest research in medieval studies indicates that there was considerable growth among the nobility, clergy, and merchant classes, because serfs got bupkis. In a system where everyone is obligated pay dues to their lord, or tithes to the church, then it's easy to accumulate wealth even in primitive conditions of production.

sounds familiar in more ways than one

Serf
May 5, 2011


why are we sore at iran exactly? is it because they overthrew the dictator that we installed over their democratically-elected governm-

oh wait

Serf
May 5, 2011


i once bought pizza out of this delivery guy's trunk at a gas station does that count

Serf
May 5, 2011


e: wrong thread lol

Serf fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jun 8, 2017

Serf
May 5, 2011


i mean they've probably got all our posts in a database somewhere in case rex 84 ever goes down

Serf
May 5, 2011


Scent of Worf posted:

i'm sure the NSA has a giant file on SA and its ring leader "low tax"

gotta waste all that money on something

Serf
May 5, 2011


evil will always triumph because good is dumb

Serf
May 5, 2011


i eat $1 burritos from wal-mart, ham sandwiches and eggs from my chickens

Serf
May 5, 2011


Karl Barks posted:

lol if u think bernie doesn't have more radical views privately

so are you saying he has a public view and a private view? :D

Serf
May 5, 2011


Business Gorillas posted:

same but with calling carbonated beverages "pop"

coke

Serf
May 5, 2011


GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:

Laugh if you want but trickle down medical research is the only reason the general population has access to remedies for gout and the vapors

no way in hell will they ever let anyone without at least a million in the bank live forever

Serf
May 5, 2011


Karl Barks posted:

depends on the type of socialism, they wouldn't be recognizable as they are now most likely tho.

i've been re-reading this article from 2012 in the Jacobin which proposes a socialization of capital markets, and i think it's very interesting. https://www.jacobinmag.com/2012/12/the-red-and-the-black

this covers most of the "rules" of socialism, and I see it as completely viable in our life time (ie. something that could actually happen without a revolution). I think Breunig and his fellow travelers have proposed similar ideas to this. anywho, worth a read.

i got about five paragraphs into this, and while i can understand it, this poo poo is seriously tiresome to read. there needs to be a jacobin for rednecks or something that just talks to you straight. like there's cool stuff in here but i can't imagine sending this to friends of mine to read

Serf
May 5, 2011


man it sounds like richard stallman fuckin owns

Serf
May 5, 2011


https://twitter.com/BigMeanInternet/status/897819900231725056

Serf
May 5, 2011


Larry Parrish posted:

I like to stick with Marx and consider communism the economic system and anarchism the political system. They're related but not the same. Like the Soviet Union was definitely communist but not very anarchist in any real sense. Somalia is pretty dang anarchist but it's not exactly a Marxist dream either

iirc the soviet union had communism as their goal but up to the end still claimed that they were in the middle stages of building socialism

Serf
May 5, 2011



extremely relatable

Serf
May 5, 2011


Karl Barks posted:

i feel like this is the trap the left gets stuck in all the time - does my opposition to american imperialism necessitate defending governments i would otherwise despise

you don't have to defend them. it's not an issue of "we shouldn't go and do an imperialism because they're good" and more "we shouldn't go an do an imperialism because that's not our job"

Serf
May 5, 2011


zen death robot posted:

what if I think socialism is good but the Soviet Union did it badly?

socialism has very little in common with state capitalism

Serf
May 5, 2011


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

He said it was bad to punch Nazis.

well you gotta put yourself in his shoes. any attempt to punch a nazi would cause his old man knuckles to vaporize

Serf
May 5, 2011


also if you're just some average person, you probably don't know or care about the whole "exploiting china" thing back then

Serf
May 5, 2011


at first i thought it was a joke until i clicked on the tweet

Serf
May 5, 2011



i agree with this

Serf
May 5, 2011


being a troop is sold to people as a good way to lift yourself out of poverty. i know in highschool i got endless calls from recruiters, as did every other kid in my class. and it often sounds like a loving good way to get out of your lovely conditions and get free college. most of the guys in my class who signed up (and there weren't many) came back a lot more anti-war than when they left

Serf
May 5, 2011


gently caress what the democrats think the time has come to replace them

Serf
May 5, 2011


the future is communists vs fascists. is like a bad sequel to a movie with a lovely ending where they just re-use the same plot

Serf
May 5, 2011


idiocracy is eugenics propaganda

"don't fix the problems with the world, just hope that the chosen people reproduce and the plebes do not"

Serf
May 5, 2011


HorrificExistence posted:

I love debating ppl on reddit


capitalism works as long as we build a Dyson swarm!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM

Serf
May 5, 2011


aoc did help widen the overton window, and if nothing else opens the door to even further-left candidates in the future

whether or not we have time to wait for future elections is questionable tho

Serf
May 5, 2011


https://twitter.com/l1quidcryst4l/status/1017467852503347201

Serf
May 5, 2011


Karl Barks posted:

here i was thinking it was just some dumb slogan with little relevance, it's actually extremely evil!

tbf i always thought of it as an aspiration, not a concrete demand. something to be working towards, and part of that work would always include the liberation of the global south

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

fully automated luxury communism? psh the noble savages of the global south would just like some more mud on their huts so they can stay dry after a hard day at the imperialism mines, they definitely dont want or need any automation or luxury

it seems that the assertion here is that the global south must be exploited, and that can never change. so we'll just have commie america imperializing abroad to support our luxury lifestyle

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