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foobardog
Apr 19, 2007

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Logikv9 posted:

Why is James O'Keefe still alive

Because powerful people enjoy his poo poo, and he enjoys the attention of powerful people and the wailing and gnashing of liberals.

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Apr 19, 2007

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This is going to be the California Gubernatorial Recall of Presidential Elections, isn't it?

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Apr 19, 2007

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Red Suit posted:

I'm mad about superdelegates

Welcome to the Party for Socialism and Liberation.

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Apr 19, 2007

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computer parts posted:

Every discussion is the same one every single time. This can be fighting about Uber or circle jerking about how bad the Puritan Work Ethic is.

You're not changing people's minds either way.

Bernie will free us from this liberal hell of liberal democracy.

We won't need eyes to see...

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Apr 19, 2007

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Don't do it, Kanye! You'll tank your 2020 Presidential Campaign!

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His Divine Shadow posted:

I always sucked at math but did some self teaching years ago to improve a bit and that sounds somehwat like how I do mental math. Not exactly like that, but dividing up the numbers into easier handled numbers.
400-300 = 100
20-10=10
7-6=1
1+10+100 = 111

This sounds more streamlined than what I do.

Well the point isn't even to just teach one algorithm for doing this, but to teach many and be able to train students on generating their own through comparison. This particularly applies to programming.

I don't use arithmetic itself all that much as a programmer, but I do need to be able to understand how to generate solutions to problems through the commonalities to them.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Okan170 posted:

If this could become reality for most kids, it'd be the greatest. I've pretty much been an enemy of math my entire life and if some kids can not have to go through that hell in the same way, so much the better. I guess theres that lingering anxiety of your kids understanding something that you may never be able to that is responsible for a lot of push back against this sort of thing.

One of my favorite lines in "What a Wonderful World" by Louis Armstrong is "I hear babies cry, and see children grow, they'll learn much more than I'll ever know... And I think to myself, What a Wonderful World."

It makes me sad that people don't want to see their kids be smarter than them.

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Apr 19, 2007

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shovelbum posted:

The Common Core math approach tries to apply a good set of ideas about problem solving to calculations so basic that they do not require any particular thought. 100+250 is not the best place to start with that stuff - they are taking a better approach, maybe, but to the same old dumb problems that students don't need to spend years masturbating over.

edit: Feynman gets it - that mentality isn't failing a kid for not using a particular form of "show your work", conventional or Common Core.

Yeah, this has been the admitted downside of common core. They just replace having to do things with one algorithm with a few and mark things wrong when the current algorithm is not used.

But that's a problem with over testing and the teachers themselves often not understanding it nor being given the time to do so.

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computer parts posted:

And the presumption in the post you quoted is that parents oppose Common Core because they don't want their children to be smarter than them.

I don't know. I think a lot of it is actually people who are realizing they aren't as good at math as they think they are because they were good at drill and kill and don't realize that's not what math really is.

I thought I was good at math until I got to college and couldn't do a proof to save my life.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Fuerher Brown has banned ties.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

SCOTUSblog saying Loretta Lynch most likely to get nomination.

:what:

This better not stop the DOJ reaming FIFA.

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Apr 19, 2007

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So a literal reenactment of R. Crumb's "When the Niggers Take Over".

I know that I am truly human scum because part of this sounds just to me. Curse this monkey brain!

E: Scream, honkey, scream.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Radish posted:

I don't think that they would have been able to actually act on it in 2001 but I don't think there would have been the unanimous support of the President we saw for Bush in the name of coming together as Americans.

I could see the Republicans fostering dissent, and it might, after a stupid impeachment and an attempt to steal an election reveal them as the unamerican frauds they are and result in backlash.

However, the right wing media was in full effect, so I think you're right, it'd become the big issue for 2004, which would be a repeat of 2000, with Bush claiming Gore isn't strong enough because he's not taking on Saddam. And I see Gore losing because the anti terror things he would do would turn off Nader voters like me, and with the media treating Gore like he stole the election and bungled it up, moderates would be willing to support Bush.

Maybe we're not in the Darkest timeline?

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Apr 19, 2007

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zoux posted:

This of course assumes that 9/11 happens under a hypothetical President Gore.

Yeah, I don't necessarily see Gore managing to stop it, even given the memos. While he would have kept up Clinton's bombing to attack bin Laden, I I don't see that stopping it, and don't see him fixing the security system in 9 months that led to it.

Bush basically cluttered up deck chairs on the Titanic; he didn't help, but I don't think he personally led to it happening.

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Apr 19, 2007

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feedmegin posted:

...why green? :shobon:

I assume it's a reference to the Green Mountain Boys of Vermont (Green Mountain).

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Apr 19, 2007

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I would love a movie that pretended to be an A Team type movie up until the end where it shows that it was really about the 9/11 hijackers.

Though, I doubt most conservatives' ability to get the message.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Secret Machine posted:

That sounds like a dangerous game of brinkmanship. Also, can a Canadian serve on the Supreme Court?

Unlike the President, there's no Constitutional requirements for Justices. Of course, that's because the framers blew their load on the legislative and executive articles, and the judicial article seems like an afterthought.

The Bill of Rights is a halfhearted fingering when Columbia pointed out she had not gotten off yet.

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Logikv9 posted:

While this would obviously never happen outside my fanfictions of Best Troll President Obama, can't he just withdraw their nomination if the joke went too far?

Cruz literally believes that God chose him to save America, and feels his best moment in life was arguing a terrible thing in front of the Supreme Court as Texas AG. I think he'd take the job with gusto.

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Luigi Thirty posted:

10% believe whites are a superior race

That's... Kind of heartening? Like I'd prefer it if no one thought that explicitly, but that's less than I expected.

I think it'd be higher if it was phrased as "are blacks an inferior race?"

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Apr 19, 2007

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g0del posted:

So, the government sells delinquent accounts to private debt collectors to save money. Who then go to court and get a judgement to send out 7 government employees to drag the debtor into court to collect their $1500. At this point, wouldn't it be cheaper for the government to just forgive the debt? Is this anything other than a stealth give-away to one of the slimiest industries in the country?

American "fiscal conservatism" is full of examples like this. It's the equivalent of refusing to go in debt for a new car as you continually pay thousands to keep your clunker running.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Your Dunkle Sans posted:

Not enough to justify the ecological waste and inherent wealth inequality.

To the guillotines with ye! :black101:

I'd be fine with replacing the greens with turf or local vegetation for ecological reasons. Just make it a park, put up an area to keep kids from walking on the fairway, make it free or cheap.

Alternatively, nationalize all clubs, keep fees low, ban private clubs.

Golf is all about hitting white things into a little hole so you can bask in nature. Just let the ball represent capitalism and white supremacy.

The point, comrade, is not to destroy golf itself, but to share its blessings with the people. We must form a dictatorship of the gophers!

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Apr 19, 2007

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Lol if people realize the Pope is one of the last absolute monarchs left, and begin expelling Catholics from the party for being filthy papists.

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UV_Catastrophe posted:

It's almost like our constitution has some pretty serious bugs and defects, and the only reason we haven't had a greater number of constitutional crises in our history is sheer, dumb luck.

I think it's sheer dumb stubbornness and the ability for the basic tenets of gently caress workers and gently caress black people to never be discarded.

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Apr 19, 2007

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FetusSlapper posted:

All that said, I can see how whacking the snot out of little balls with a heavy club might be appealing as a stress release for presidents. Playing pick-up basketball with your secret service agents and west wing nerds probably loses its appeal after you start blatantly fouling people and not getting called on it. Not that it happened, but from that scene from the West Wing I'd assume its tough playing team sports as the President.

Golfchat ended, but Obama is apparently dirty and rough as gently caress at basketball. Though he's realized he's getting old and that people are just tolerating him loving things up on the court.

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Apr 19, 2007

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ComradeCosmobot posted:

Look at the party identification of the guy who's discussed in the article.

Several other Democrats have not been good on this, for example, Diane Feinstein and Hillary Clinton. Basically, they are banking on the newness and lack of understanding around encryption to suggest something akin to requiring all locks to be able to be opened by police skeleton keys, all phones to be tappable, and all mail to be openable on request.

There is a serious problem with support of 4th amendment rights within both parties, and when not ranting about the Fed or International Reptilian Bankers, it's something Libertarians are very cogent on.

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Apr 19, 2007

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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

4th amendment gives equal protection to citizens and non-citizens, but Apple definitely doesn't have a 4th Amendment right against the FBI searching someone else's phone.

Hmmm. That makes this seem a bit similar to a landlord not giving up their keys to let the police in. Do they have a duty to do so?

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Apr 19, 2007

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

This particular instance is more like, the landlord explicitly provides the tenant with their own unique, unpickable lock that they themselves don't have keys to, and the police want the landlord to be the one to change the locks back to something they can pick. Which isn't even necessarily something the landlord is capable of, especially since changing the lock might or might not cause a load-bearing wall to give out.

Oh, I know it can definitely be distinguished, I'm just more interested in the comparison. Basically, if this wouldn't even fly for a normal landlord, there's little evidence it should now apply in the digital case.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Combed Thunderclap posted:

I guess part of my argument was that this kind of situation is kind of without real-world comparison, but I'm also really interested in what a LawGoon has to about other situations where someone is forced to lend assistance to police.!

Yeah, it really shouldn't matter, and you're right, comparing the two requires insane stretches of the situation to make it misleading at best, but considering that judges often seem to be a bit behind in understanding technology, I'm sure that it will be explained and decided based on existing analogies. :iiaca:

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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

With a court order? Yeah.

I see. Welp, the FBI are probably going to get their wish here unless Congress makes a law (ha!) or someone activist judges.

Though it'll be fun when someone else figures it out and then Apple gets sued for having poor security on their phones.

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eviltastic posted:

Speaking of 'ol Tom, this was a pretty Friedmanesque moment. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/17/opinion/who-are-we.html

I mention this not because I want to turn us to Sanderschat, but because the co-chairs of that commission he is citing are Steve Case and Carly Fiorina.

It's doubly annoying because when you look at the stats, I'm pretty certain the frightening Scandinavian Hellholes have shown much better stats for entrepreneurship. This is because the social net allows people to be more secure in taking the risk of starting their own business because they aren't losing their health insurance or house or anything like that. There's a reason the vast majority of "startup" people are from rich families, and that's because they can take the individual risk backed up by their families.

Joementum posted:

Interesting choice of video to use as the intro here by Fox.

https://twitter.com/foxandfriends/status/700642808978223105

Holy poo poo, that is the most race-baiting, dishonest poo poo I've seen in a long time. I had no idea Fox had gotten so bad. :psyduck:

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El Scotch posted:

The modern political landscape has become so warped it makes Bush #1 look pretty good about now.

For all of H. W. Bush's flaws, he at least understood that Reaganomics/Supply-side Economics was bullshit.

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Apr 19, 2007

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Fried Chicken posted:

Remember folks - the law is meaningless and exists only to justify and protect the practices of those with power. Ultimately power decides who gets what, and rule of law is a sham

This is becoming more apparent to me with Congress being obviously obstructionist for partisan reasons, and being reminded of superdelegates, and so on. Basically, all the processes and rules and laws are just hoops for the plebes to jump through that will be discarded in the case of any danger to the elite. :smith:

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Fried Chicken posted:

I'm almost morbidly interested how much further they can push it before it snaps. I mean poo poo, the financial crisis was open crime and no one was punished. Snyder knowingly poisoned a whole town, no one cares. Trump is being painted as a mad conspiracy theorist for saying Bush lied to take us to war, failed to stop the 9/11 plot and the Saudis were the ones ultimately backing it. We have whole industries now based around openly flouting the law. We have people being murdered on video and the victim's family and people who recorded it are the ones being punished.

I honestly would have expected reality and mass anger to act as a correction on this by now and it hasn't. Who knows anymore

OK, OK, time to dehumanize myself and face to bloodshed, I guess.

e: Dear Feds - This is a morbid joke! Don't Guantanamo me!

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Apr 19, 2007

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fishmech posted:

The government is asking Apple to take advantage of a known vulnerability in the "security" design of that phone. It's such a known vulnerability that it's been fixed in later models of iPhones, in fact. Truth be told, they could probably get the NSA to use their existing exploits against it, but I doubt that'd be kosher if they wanted to use any evidence in court.

I get that uneducated consumers just assume that if they say it's secure it's secure. But the reality is that it isn't.

This just continues on the path for a technological arms race between people and the government. It's sort of like when we laugh at guns rights people ignoring they're not going to stop poo poo against tanks and bombs, but basic security does not directly kill people.

I know the legal precedent supports it, but I honestly think that a right to privacy should be considered stronger than "well you didn't try to keep it a secret hard enough because you're not a paranoid tech guy, so, sorry."

Eh, it's a moot point considering how much people are just willing to give up to private companies like Apple, who have a conflict of interest in keeping that information truly secure because they want to use it for their own means.

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GreyjoyBastard posted:

I gotta say, as much as I hate Cruz, I do enjoy him helping drag the GOP discourse down.

Eh, Karl Rove was push polling people suggesting McCain had an illegitimate black child back in 2000, and races have had mudslinging since Washington said "uh, don't do this, guys" and we said "nope, gently caress these guys".

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Apr 19, 2007

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fishmech posted:

No it doesn't. Security is inherently an arms race of everyone against everyone. If Apple hadn't fixed the vulnerability in question here on their later phones, it wouldn't just be the FBI that could take advantage of it, it's everyone who might want your data.


There is no right to privacy on work equipment, broheim.

I understand it's the nature of the security beast, but it's not something the government should be encouraging in an adversarial way!

The fact it's a work phone is orthogonal to me. I just don't agree that companies should have a duty to work around their own security without a more compelling state interest than I currently see.

It's kind of tricky because we are reaching a weird combination between Apple's right to trade secrets and the user's right to privacy of their own data. I guess it's not unlike phone tapping or pen registers, or a safe deposit box at the bank, but it's prevalent in a way I think is new.

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Apr 19, 2007

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fishmech posted:

That already exists. RIM/Blackberry has done it multiple times in the past.


They don't "need" Apple to do it. The NSA could surely do it for them, there's no way they don't have the expertise. They just would really prefer Apple does the work, because that would be much quicker.

It's happened before and it'll be easier for the FBI are never compelling arguments for weakening limitations on searches and seizures. In fact, that's almost always true. Different right, but being arrested without getting mirandized definitely happened before, and made it easier for the state.

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Apr 19, 2007

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fishmech posted:

This is not weakening limitations on searches and seizures. So I don't see why doing that being bad is relevant, considering as it ain't happening.

Maybe it's not weakening because the war on drugs and the war on terror already did, but if you don't understand why the FBI compelling companies to let them into security holes on their behalf should have a higher bar than being shown here, you don't really get the point of civil liberties like these.

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The other thing to note is that since not everyone can afford the latest phone, depending on these while shrugging it off as "well too bad your phone is old" is the exact case of higher impact of the justice system being placed on the poor!

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Apr 19, 2007

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fishmech posted:

This has already been done in the past, continuing to do it isn't weakening anything.

You don't seem to get that the doomsday scenario you are worried about already occurred a decade plus ago. Companies can be compelled to help with known vulnerabilities. This is long standing precedent.

Oh my loving God, do you understand how someone can recognize current precedent but also think that's it's wrong and harmful to society?

It's kind of part and parcel of being a progressive or otherwise seeking change in society.

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