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Speaking of refugees, is the the current wave supposed to top the 90s balkan wars one? I can remember about roughly 4 million refugees during that off the top of my head and I'm sure I'm forgetting non-insignificant numbers. It was absolutely massive, and yet nobody seems to even remember much about it by now. Makes you think.
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Well this took a nice turn. Ideally you don't want a war. If you have a war on your hands, ideally children shouldn't fight in it. But, as this person posted: A Pale Horse posted:Nazis went full Genghis Khan on Warsaw. These people were war heroes. Yes, they were also children, and that's all sorts of hosed up. But does that mean they don't deserve a monument for their sacrifice? I don't think so. And it conveys the message of "poo poo's hosed" quite well if you ask me. You could argue the motif isn't appropriate all day, but the shock value is very well there, as evidenced by this discussion. It did exactly its job. If it was a boring plaque on some street corner, we wouldn't be having a discussion about child soldiers right now.
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May 11, 2016 19:26
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Which is a large part of many of the issues we have where in Slovenia. I'm not saying forget about ww2, because it was a tragic thing and lessons have to be learned so it doesn't repeat, but can we please drop it from current politics already like it's still relevant ffs? Nobody cares who shot at who 70 years ago, both sides are dead now or will be in a couple years. We have far more pressing issues. 
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May 12, 2016 15:46
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quote:Whataboutism (also sometimes called "whataboutery") is a form of propaganda to counter criticism (usually from "the West") with a "What about …?" question vaguely related to the original question asked. It is a specialized form of the red herring tactic and often involves a healthy dose of tu quoque fallacy and balance fallacy. During the Soviet era, this was usually in the form of "And at your place, they hang black people". In Putin's Russia this propaganda technique has made a comeback, especially since the (ongoing) Ukraine conflict. North Korea and, to a lesser extent, the People's Republic of China are also big fans of this tactic. The fallacy is now also often seen from some defenders of Israel. Just ignore his comments already goddamn
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May 18, 2016 18:29
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Deteriorata posted:The CIA actually was responsible for Maidan, but because Yanukovych was their man and it all went horribly wrong. This is about the only CIA involvement story I'd be willing to believe. 
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Jun 22, 2016 02:17
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HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Belarusians will also have coins again. Goondolences. I loved the period where I could buy and sell everything with zero use of coins where I live. I hate coins so much I use my debit card for everything now.
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Jun 22, 2016 19:13
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The_Franz posted:CASH  Yeah, that does look almost as bad as coins.
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Jun 23, 2016 15:50
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Skeesix posted:Is there a good full article anywhere detailing Germany's troubles in getting off nuclear? Don't even need an article, just...  On a more serious note http://qz.com/680661/germany-had-so-much-renewable-energy-on-sunday-that-it-had-to-pay-people-to-use-electricity/ This is becoming a huge issue there. The grid can't really handle the unpredictability of solar/wind. I have no idea if it will ever be able to. People dream about pumped storage hydro, but that stuff is extremely expensive for what is a glorified battery (though still orders of magnitude cheaper) that destroys even more environment and has about as much chances of being approved as nukular these days.
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Plan Z posted:I've always wondered since I was a little kid why Romans/Italians catch no blame for it whatsoever. The placement of the Vatican probably has something to do with it. Because those converted. The drat Jews, however, did not! 
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So here's a fun story from Zlovenia. The local cardinal was visiting from Vatican and of course also held a mass last week. It was, and this is no joke, dedicated to the Nazi collaboration during ww2. During said mass, he said the "real national traitors" were the communists doing a revolution, and that the collaborators, or as he called them, "patriotic and democratic forces", were only doing a contrarevolution (  ), and were "forced to accept and use invader help and weapons".Not only is this an absolutely hilarious attempt at some revision of history, he also managed to call everyone (yes, everyone) who fought against the 3rd Reich a manipulated puppet of communism. Which is, as we all know, an ideology of fear and loathing. It's really unfortunate this country is completely inconsequential to absolutely everything, I'd love to see the Catholic Church try to spin this if it was said at some bigger, more visible event. mobby_6kl posted:Here's a BBC article: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36843808 Eastern Europe is turning into a loving James Bond movie. e: and I obviously don't mean this in a good way. Truga fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 20, 2016 |
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Jul 20, 2016 16:23
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In Slovenia, luckily these people have relatively little throw, and the hardcore right wing parties supporting this kind of bullshit have been getting less and less support since about 2008. It's also a slightly bigger deal here, because I think we're the only place where poo poo got so bad the SS had to step in and tell the locals to tone it down a little
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Jul 20, 2016 18:16
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yeah, conscription is going to help a lot against a superpower sporting high tech weaponry and nukular arsenal ... wait, what?
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Jul 21, 2016 08:48
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In other Balkan news, BiH Pokemon Go players are looking for rare pokemons in minefields now
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Jul 21, 2016 13:49
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http://www.b92.net/info/vesti/index.php?yyyy=2016&mm=07&dd=19&nav_category=167&nav_id=1156765 A bit in english: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36841828 e: Liveleak has a translation of the b92 thing and more: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a19_1469030990&comments=1
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Jul 21, 2016 14:13
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I've been to Bosnia a couple times since the war and it really pushes the point home when you go to the Bosna spring (I wanna say a few minutes past the Sarajevo airport, it's been a while now) and there's red boards with skulls on them everywhere suddenly.
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Jul 21, 2016 16:38
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  Xerxes17 posted:Which countries have taken on corruption and have managed to clear it out? What has worked and what has not? Slovenia tried to take on a couple big corrupt dudes at times... ... nothing came of it. There's a bigwig or two from construction bubble companies in prison, but no politicians.
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Aug 3, 2016 15:56
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The three remaining working MiGs aren't exactly threatening to any developed western european country I'd think, and france/britain have their own nuclear deterrents too so yeah. I think that's a bit of a stretch. If they were the single most powerful country in europe by far, they'd just walk into ukraine and take it, sanctions be damned.
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Aug 16, 2016 15:58
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I absolutely love when my troops have PTSD. That's what battle hardened means these days right?
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Aug 16, 2016 16:52
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I think people brought up Seselj in here a few months ago. Well, he's doing a thing again: https://theintercept.com/2016/08/16/serb-inspired-ethnic-cleansing-bosnia-leads-vote-trump-rally-belgrade/ 
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In Slovenia, a proposal for some changes in the communications law appeared. Here, since the udba.net debacle (like 15 years ago someone posted the slovenian udba/sdv (successor of udba) archives nicely sorted by last name on the internet, I can post more if people are interested), any and all blocking of web sites must strictly go through the court. Makes sense, in any real country, right? Well, no, because obviously, we aren't thinking of the children enough. The excuse is, as always when talking about blocking something on the internet, child porn. The new law proposes removing the "court order only" part of blocking sites, when said sites are on a list of known child abuse hosting sites. Said list is, of course, classified. Now, there's several problems with this idea. The purported reason is "getting a court order takes too much time", which might look legit at first glance (courts are notoriously slow here), but in these cases, things can move very fast so no, not really. Second thing is, while the police can shut down domestic hosters in a matter of minutes, foreign ones are supposedly harder/impossible to shut down. This, again, quickly shows up as false, as most recent reports had the offending site taken down in <30 minutes. The longest time it took in recent years was some hosting site in the middle of nowhere, India, which took a whole 3 hours (lmao, oh no) before it got shut down by the authorities there, after being reported by our police. However, these response times are apparently just not good enough. No, police needs instant control over blocking sites (rather than reporting them to the correct authorities and have it actually dealt with), because apparently proxies don't exist anymore in 2016. Blocking sites on a national level, without a court order, on the basis of some super secret list only a few people have access to. Hmm, what could possibly go wrong. And now that I got the "just stupid and obviously lazy" part out of the way, here's the real kicker. While the police is obviously working really hard to remove all possible offending material off the internet (though nobody knows how the current addendum helps that), there's also a proposed addendum to the police obligations and powers law. The police is going to create and maintain an archive of all photo, audio, video, and other content containing sexual abuse of minors, all the metadata, all the data about the criminal and the victim. Of course all in the name of protecting victims. And then keep that data, for 60 years after it is discovered the person was a minor in the content. Just in case, so the victim doesn't forget about the tragedy, and instead knows in the back of their mind, there's this archive of poo poo, nicely tucked away in some govt filing warehouse. It'd be a real shame if they moved on with their life after all.  Obviously, this wouldn't be free either, there would have to be people monitoring this archive, and that's obviously what a southern european country heavily in debt should be spending cash on, infrastructure and people that watch over an archive of child pornography. The logic is just loving  Meanwhile, actual police officer wages are literally minimal allowable wage, because we gotta save a couple cents here and there in these hard times of crushing debt right?i gotta run way form this shitshow country jfc
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Friendly Humour posted:You'll be happy to find out that these censor lists without any judicial oversight are more or ubiquitous across Europe already. Your country are just laggards as per usual. I'd rather we stay laggards in this case. fishmech posted:Other countries (like the US, Canada, Australia, UK) do maintain that evidence as well, though the actual content gets kept on highly secure archives while, say, your local police department will use visual/audio fingerprint techniques to match suspected child pornography to things that have already been found. (For instance like how you can use the freeware VisiPics program to check if you have duplicate or close duplicates pictures). The specific 60 year retention period is odd, as I doubt the other countries bothered to set a date, but not really out of line. Currently, any illegal material is destroyed after due process. I have zero issue with fingerprinting the data, but that's something that's already being done. I see no reason to additionally store originals, and definitely not for several decades. Also, AFAICT currently the victim data is anonimized in official records. This isn't supposed to change, except in the stupid archive. It just seems like a weird and stupid thing to me. What use could such an archive possibly even have?
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No, I want to leave country anyway, because everything else is hosed too. This is just some extra spilling over the already long time full poo poo bucket.
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Tonton Macoute posted:Topical phoneposting (so no copypaste) on names in Latvian: "Write as you speak and read as it is written." The best rule ever imagined.
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99% of modern Russian patriotism was centered around beating the Nazi Germany in "the great war", but that never stopped Putin from making russia into a fascist dictatorship shithole, did it. Patriotism, and especially nazism are targeted at people who aren't very smart in the first place. They're very much the modern version of old religions, intended to herd people into obedient armies, and them wanting to do it out of their own will, because "it'll be better for *us* if we poo poo on them/take their poo poo". Because the world is a zero sum game, duh
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Pajser posted:It's kind of neat to be a citizen of a little chicken shaped country, which no one ever bothers to notice and then through sheer insanity of the election, now has possible influence on the most powerful country on the planet. It's not really a thing. Melanija even changed her name, to be less Slovenian. Neither she nor trump give a poo poo.
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alex314 posted:It's a baboon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEsUAcyw5Qw
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Kurtofan posted:part of me would immensively respect trump if he just told putin to get hosed after getting him to help get elected, though i understand putin might have big compromat files on President Elect Trump Putin is going to laugh all the way to Kiev.
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Nov 11, 2016 12:06
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EU saves the world again by being both good and bad at the same time
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Another ISS supply mission failure. I sure am glad putin is spending money on dumb instead of his space thing
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Donbass got converted to farmlands now?
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Lumpy the Cook posted:I didn't really think anyone was psychotic enough to find the mass death of a choir enjoyable, but I guess I can always count on D&D... :/  Enjoyable? No. Hell, it was the best thing the red army has done post them killing a bunch of crazy nazis an age ago. Losing them isn't enjoyable for anyone I'm sure.I'm, however, not going to cry over a part of a fascist regime's propaganda machine crashing and drowning. How much entertainment I get from its youtube channel doesn't really change what it really is.
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See, the Švejk gets it.Cat Mattress posted:Red Army Choir Look at what you've written. Look at it!  Cat Mattress posted:They're a source of prestige for the country, sure, but they don't broadcast any sort of message (other than "Russia has a great band"). Trying to find some stupid way to make this tragic accident a victory for the free world is just tasteless. Hmm, yes, this perpetual Red Army PR stunt that's been basically their image since the soviet union still existed is not propaganda to make the army look like a cool bunch of pals, who sing songs and dance with glee and have a gay old time, no sir. Spoiler but not really: enlisted officers maim and kill people in wars, actively supporting the shitshows putin's involved in. Them singing in a choir doesn't change that, it just makes it worse because it makes it seem they're cool average people who don't do war crimes. Again, I like the red army choir music. I *love* commie songs especially, they're the best. But a bunch of singing soldiers died? Tough titty. Maybe don't fly to syria to provide morale support for people bombing civilians next time, shitlords.
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The sad part is, the people who died are probably just duders who like singing, the ones orchestrating the whole thing didn't. Still can't feel sorry for them though, red army choir isn't the only choir in russia.
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Zudgemud posted:Of course not, because people on this board generally like the US more than Russia, people are instinctive hypocrites like this. The complaints for the the choir as militaristic propaganda is true for all army choirs, Russian, US, Estonian, Romanian etc, it's just that in comparison to most others Russia is really good at being an unlikable fucker. My reaction would be pretty much identical tbh: don't sign up to provide morale support for people killing other people. I don't think it's a very complicated concept. HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:Hate to break up Red Army Choir chat, but President Obama just sent 35 Russian diplomats packing and ordered two Russian compounds in the US closed. This is great tbh, now Trump can choose better Russian buddies easier "Oh, Obama expelled all those dudes let me tell you, and now we can't work with our friends in Russia well, so here's some Putin's best buddies that'll work with us bigly." Truga fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Dec 30, 2016 |
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TBH, russians are a bit strapped for cash right now and are running their ship on basically asphalt. You can't run bunker fuel in any jurisdiction on earth I think, but international waters are free for all so. You also usually don't use it in high performance applications. Like, say, a military ship. I'm willing to bet these guys are burning bunker fuel though. Combine that with a not-well-maintained engine and tire fire it is.
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Baronjutter posted:And tons of western leftists 100% believe Russia's side. "Why is the US destabilizing eastern europe?? Why is the US antagonizing Russia???" it's the weirdest thing. US foreign policies are often vilified outside the US, and too often justifiably, so people often believe anti-US propaganda. They also believe anti-Russian propaganda often enough, but that doesn't change the fact that US is moving troops into Poland and Putin isn't right now. Furthermore, not many people really understand the internal differences between US and Russia (both are officially democracies of some sort), and just put them both in the same basket based on their foreign policies (imperialist shitlord wannabees ). Also, US is far more successful in their endeavours than pretty much anyone else, so jealousy is probably also a factor. So when someone says "hey, those US fuckers are putting troops near our borders", the common response is obviously "well, maybe US shouldn't do that, then", rather than "shut your fascist dictator mouth".If I publicly call Putin a dictator or Russia a fascist state, people generally believe I'm doing a  , rather than stating actual facts.Personally, I blame the media. Nobody dares to call someone who looks like a nazi, swims like a nazi and quacks like a nazi a nazi, as if they're somehow scared of offending them or something.
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The perks of being ex-cold-war-super-power-state? Big stashes of fireworks.
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Mar 24, 2017 16:59
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^^^ gently caress. I was wondering when people would start to get desperate. poo poo's getting pretty dire in Russia as far as I can tell. Of course, this will be used as an excuse to poo poo on opposition further.
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I'm from Slovenia and we have like 30 dialects. Many are close to vanilla slovenian, some are entirely different and will share only a word or two with the base language for the same sentence, sometimes even with different grammar. The one people across the Mura river speak is *completely* bonkers, influenced by Magyar.
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Osmosisch posted:It's pretty special to have a language where going from writing -> pronunciation is pretty much 100% consistent, coming from English/Dutch. Shame pronunciation -> writing does have some decisions to make. Hello and welcome to slav languages. This indeed owns. Everything else, however... 
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