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nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Belgium has the same dreary weather and better food. But if you've got a colour you'll be shunned by our many racists.

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nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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How will they handle this? Special emergency primaries?

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



orange sky posted:

Just to be sure here, wasn't the UK the one that was always against more integration and needed all the coddling so they'd be happy?

This is probably the biggest shot in the foot for a country since Pearl Harbor

They also used arguments of EU overreach that they themselves pushed through. Propaganda is a hell of a thing.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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MiddleOne posted:

The fact that Belgium only made it out of the Eurozone crisis mostly unharmed due to lacking a government to actually enforce austerity is the saddest political commentary on the long-term viability of the Eurozone of them all.

After the formation crisis we had an openly gay socialist prime minister from the minority region. Van Rompuy (former president of Europe and member of one of the governing parties) tried to criticize Di Rupo's cabinet by saying Belgium had not yet austeried itself into ruin.

Turns out keeping government spending up and having an indexation for wages helps the economy through harsh times. At least we elected a right wing conservative government to save us from prosperity.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



The last thing Europe and the world needs is more Eurocrisis shenanigans. If countries will need to start cutting costs to pay higher interest rates, nobody but the bankers are going to be better off.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



unpacked robinhood posted:

Are turks usually politically stabby ? It may be completely unrelated

From what the news here in Belgium reported, some Kurds came to vote and spotted an Erdogan supporter putting up pro-Erdogan posters at the embassy. This led to an argument, which led to someone getting out their knife and stabbing a woman in the throat.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Raspberry Jam It In Me posted:

It's going to be even more ridiculous to re-harmonize everything again once they are ready to rejoin in 20 years or so.

We'll just have Germany buy them piece by piece and they can live with German laws and regulations. A slow blitz.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



GaussianCopula posted:

Maybe you can tell me about those "real socialists" that turned bettered their country (please only name countries that are larger than 5mil and are not blessed with extraordinary rich natural resources, e.g. oil).

When do you consider a country "bettered"? Better economic prospects? Better living standards? Better healthcare? Better public transport? All of the above?

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



His Divine Shadow posted:

It's bad form to spook your prey, makes a quick kill difficult.

Halal meat is butchered unsedated and the panic and pain supposedly gives extra flavour. Why not do the same to the markets? Extra bonus if you use the term Halal.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



A Buttery Pastry posted:

He would definitely win the presidency if he claimed his primary motivation was to bang as many hot women as possible.

But this election isn't in Italy...

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



steinrokkan posted:

Is Belgium consistently the worst country or what.

We're too busy making sure one half of the country doesn't get anything the other half could be envious about, while one of the government parties wishes Belgium didn't exist. No time to look out for terrorists when we've got other Belgians to be wary about.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Would that count as insider trading? Don't recall there ever being a terrorist attack for personal monetary gain, except in the Die Hard movies.

The attack on the police wasn't done by a Belgian btw. The guy that got named on social media turned himself in tonight, they found guns in his house and he's known for drugs, but probably not an accomplice.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



double nine posted:

I thought the unrelated guy turned himself in?

Belgian police gave French police info on the unrelated guy earlier this year or something, because they found weapons at his home and found booking info on his PC for a Thalys train to Paris. He's known for drug crimes, not radicalised. Apparently ISIS claimed the terrorist attack was done by a Belgian fighter, which they're now investigating. Wouldn't be surprised if a Belgian terrorist is/was planning something that fell through or got postponed due to this other guy.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.




I keep being surprised by how poo poo Guy's English is. He's been our prime minister and then hosed off to the EU parliament over a decade ago, but he still struggles when speaking English.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



GaussianCopula posted:

So, just that I understand this correctly, if you enter a contract and expect this contract to be fulfilled by the other party, that's making them your "colony"?

Coolio.

Your parents, uncles and older neighbours were encouraged to enter a contract so they could live the high life, now you are a slave to a foreign power.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



GaussianCopula posted:

It seems like soldiers on the streets do actually provide some protection against (incompetent) terrorists

I'm kinda surprised that terrorists are THAT dumb.

A smart terrorist isn't going to blow himself up.

I'm surprised at the time of day he chose to blow himself up. So late in the evening, the station's relatively empty.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Succesfull communism will only work when most people actually care about other people enough to not actually need a state to order them to not be poo poo. You'd need a massive reeducation effort to make this happen, which means its never happening.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Cerebral Bore posted:

I think you misspelled "capitalism" there.

Eh, it works for every government type or any kind of power structure, really. Overall humans are poo poo and the ones that are the most poo poo have a knack to float to the top.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Speaking of Belgium, a recent poll was leaked that shows the fallout of several corruption affairs in Brussels and Wallonia. The Parti Socialiste which was at the center of them loses big and the voters are going hard left. The PTB (extreme left) would be the biggest party with 24,9%, where in the last election they got 5.

If true, this is the nightmare scenario for the right wing parties in Flanders and we can all watch as we Belgians break our own record in government formation.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Deltasquid posted:

MR is still the second largest party in Wallonia so I'm sure they can wring out some neolib deal across the borders.

The N-VA is going to make some demands for more regional powers, because they just spent 5 years forgetting the main reason they're a party at all. Next election is going to be fun.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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R. Mute posted:

Hmm, yeah! Only downside I see is VB making a bit of a comeback.

The disillusioned N-VA voters gotta go somewhere. Gotta say I'm a much bigger fan of Peter Mertens than I'm of John Crombez. The Flemish socialists have been fighting a defensive battle since forever, it seems, even while in the opposition they can't go on the offensive, especially with the PS being continuously mired with corruption scandals.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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The Belgian posted:

Groen overtaking Spa is pretty lol. Now we just need Pvda akso overtaking Spa, that would be extremely good and cool.

EDIT: One thing that needs to go better is Open VLD needs to fail harder though.

Groen always polls way above their actual results, sadly. Open VLD isn't going down because the N-VA and CD&V keep fighting over whatever austerity the nationalists want to push through, so the actual liberals stay out of the picture.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Surprise Giraffe posted:

I don't see how the EU isn't hosed now. No matter which way they side, unless they persuade everyone to reset back three months or something, they have to stand to one side either for separatism or anti-democracy.

Plenty of people don't consider the referendum democratic because it wasn't officially sanctioned and had a relatively low turn-out. Whatever Spain did to sabotage it worked in regards to the international community.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Phlegmish posted:

I don't think everyone in the thread can read French.

Anyway, pissing off the PP is alright in my book.

Our glorious minister in charge of immigration Theo Francken, who denied immigration visas to Syrian people in the past, said that Puigdemont could request asylum in Belgium if he faces prosecution in Spain.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Phlegmish posted:

Francken: Bro you can stay at my place

Michel: [giant anime sweat drop appears on forehead]

Michel is such a poo poo PM. Even Di Rupo had a better control of his administration.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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beer_war posted:

So Puigdemont won't ask for asylum, but he (and seven of his ministers) won't return either.

What happens if Spain asks for Puigdemont to be extradited?

Who knows? Maybe then they'll actually ask for asylum. PM Michel won't give a statement in parliament until next week Thursday, because he feels that letting this fester and giving Francken more time to run his mouth is good for Belgium and Europe.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Phlegmish posted:

Arrest warrant for Puigdemont. I'd say molon labe, but we will just let the Belgian administration do its thing and Puigdemont will die of old age before anything comes of it.

We'll just write a law requiring Puigdemont to not die until his situation is resolved, just like we did with the Bende van Nijvel investigation. 30 years since their attacks and we're finally making progress!

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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The best thing to come out of this for Belgium is that the N-VA, which has very vocally commented on Muslim immigrants importing their foreign political problems into Belgium, have now imported a foreign political problem into Belgium because the Catalans are their friends.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Post world cup placement riot by Moroccan hooligans in Brussels. Anonymous police sources complaining they couldn't intervene, city officials saying the police was present but had the priority of restoring public order before they could stop looters.

The anonymous police complain about not enough manpower and an inability to deploy vehicles in the pedestrian zone cause of the concrete blocks that are in place to stop car/truck terror attacks like the one in Nice.

So mostly a way out of control situation that was poorly anticipated and managed by the city.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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There is a general lack of skilled workers in Belgium, but you'd have to settle for a factory job that probably doesn't have a whole lot to do with electrician work.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

The pinnacle of cloud computing.



Orange Devil posted:

Poor people will blame the EU for this new tax.

Plenty of Brits will blame the EU for a failure to produce a Brexit deal. In their mind they already paid way too much for other people's comforts, why won't the EU pay them back and even punish them economically?

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Collateral Damage posted:

Does anyone in Belgium NOT live close to someone else?

I'm from Oostkamp, my girlfriend from Nijlen (about an hour by car). Her mom let slip that nobody else in the family had moved so far to a different country. That's not a typo, she actually said country.

Time to start the West Flanders Independence Movement.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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orange sky posted:

idgi and I feel it's important

E: oh, Congo

E2: HOLY poo poo humans are terrible



Leopold 2's still got statues in Belgium, including a famous one is Ostend. That one has an inscription giving thanks to Leopold from the Congolese people for freeing them of the tyranny of Islam.

A while ago someone chopped off a hand.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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It's not as bad as the Cockfosters line in London. Every stop: "This is the line to... Cockfosters"

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Phlegmish posted:

On the way to Schuman, four Catalans getting on the train in Herent already.

There were a whole bunch in Bruges yesterday. So either they took a city trip along with their protesting or they really did book all the hotels in Belgium.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Have politicians work night shifts in healthcare, as mailmen or as construction workers.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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How often would you roll for results? A campaign to institute Full Communism Now could probably manage a 1% vote roll every day.

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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What could the UK do about it, anyway? Leave harder?

nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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Orange Devil posted:

The left wing ones are really weak.

Eh, sp.a has a not too distant history of corruption and scandals so I took that one as a pretty good diss.

PTB-PvdA haven't been able to do anything so you can't mock them yet.

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nimby
Nov 4, 2009

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The N-VA solved the problem, turns out it was a socialist plot. Not the army guys withholding the info about upgrades, but the information now getting out.

Just a few more steps and we too can start screaming about leakers and fake news.

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