Hillary Clintons Thong posted:

Like I mentioned before I just started rewatching DS9 for the second time. It's really neat (like with a Star Trek/90s television story telling handicap) how initially O'Brien can't stand Bashir and by the ends they're totally just pounding each other.


Like in story telling or more modern shows it's really not such a big triumph that "characters grow and show progression" but in scifi it's a miracle when you see it in something like DS9 or Babylon 5, unfortunately

MrSlam posted:

The technology of the 24th century has improved to the point that we no longer feel sexually repulsed by our spouses as a species. No longer are men forced by their wives to seek the attentions of their comely buxom secretaries. Petty things like divorce, alimony payments, and adultery have become a thing of the past. -Gene Roddenberry

bing_commander posted:

How come Quark just shows up like everything's normal after Little Green Men? Do Bajorans go from accusation to acquittal in only a week?

Dicky mouse posted:

There is that episode where seven finds the three remaining slackers on voyager. Some bejoran who clearly was in over her head, a hypochondriac, and some smart guy who just wants to hide down in the engine and work on his big bang theories.

So of course when janeway see's 3 slacker have slipped through the cracks rather than go "well they may be slacker but they aint dead."

So of course she has to take the 3 of them on an away mission in that delta flyer to....well do something.

What stands out to me is that Jane way kept showing a high level of star trek physics knowledge.

Oh a character with 5 high level degrees who spends all day hiding in the ship working on his theories, and jane way just waltz in and shows him up? Then later he dies......oh god she is truly a monster.

Dicky mouse posted:

she has daddy issues

Baronjutter posted:

I tried to watch this show, got through the first episode but the writing was 90's as gently caress. All the characters are just the worst most lovely dated cliches imaginable and I want them all to die. My wife specially hated it and I could barely hear the show over her mocking of every character.

"Oh I'm a mysterious stoic asian, so obviously I use swords! I am honourable samurai! Asians use swords!"
"I'm the strong female protagonist! Don't mess with me because I'm strong and cool and always level headed! Also I'm beating the poo poo out of this confused guy in the first scene in the first episode just to establish how tough and powerful I am"
"I'm the 90's hacker girl! Am I autistic or just a special snowflake? One thing's for sure, I'm straight out of a 80's or 90's show about teen hackers and nerds. I'm probably going to rollerblade around the ship"
"I'm the pointlessly adversarial rear end in a top hat!!!"
"beep boop I'm the sexy android beep. I'm lady Data! What is human friendship beep does not compute beep seriously this character was written in 2015 not 1980 somehow!"

It's like someone made a parody of 90's lovely Canadian scify. The writing and characters feel 20 years or more out of date it's such absolute garbage, it's barely a step above Andromeda but feels like it came out at the same time or earlier, like it ran back to back with Tek War.

Arcsquad12 posted:

Because it's actually a great episode showing how the Bajorans are loving terrible, and the Federation ain't the paradise they brag about it being. It's one of the first times in the franchise where a first contact goes extremely poorly and the incident isn't resolved peacefully in the end.

Fojar38 posted:

Oh good so right when both Wynn and Dukat are beginning to exhibit signs of character growth they ruin both apparently

Baronjutter posted:

One of the reasons Dukat got cartoony evil was because of the studio. They were really upset that people were sympathizing and liking Dukat and were mad at the writers humanizing him and making him charismatic. He's an evil nazi and needs to be evil all the time. You can't possibly show the dangers of an evil but charismatic leader.

Neddy Seagoon posted:

I was genuinely surprised to see an actual premature reference to The Year of Hell though. Given it's ST:Voyager, I'm guessing at the time it was written they were trawling for plot and went "gently caress it, that sounds good".

bunnyofdoom posted:

Weirdly enough O'Brian. I guess potato have good fathers

Tighclops posted:

The cut to her knowing sideways glance at Riker when he says he's going to use the ramscoops to collect flammable gasses from the nebula and "shove it down the Sona's throats" is made all the more awesome when you realize it was Frakes who directed the movie

FuturePastNow posted:

does Rick Berman know/understand that a large swath of Trekkies hate him

Arcsquad12 posted:

Well he's also a control freak in charge of postwar Vegas. At least he got shot in The Patriot before he could ruin anyone's day.

Bloody Hedgehog posted:

They need a ready supply of high-quality lubes on hand to keep up with Rikers voracious appetite for sandy space-vag.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

It's a good show that's worth watching at least once. Goons poo poo all over it now because of 1) the flawed final season and 2) the overt religious themes and plot points in the last season that goons claim were unexpected, even though the show made no attempt to hide them in the previous seasons.

Just watch it without any expectations.

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

my favorite messily-aborted plot to poo poo on from BSG was that weird "resurrection virus" they did for, what, two or three episodes?


so the cylons run into this space probe supposedly from the 13th colony/tribe, and not only does it make them sick and kills them, but the sickness follows them through resurrection

they freak out and run the gently caress away from the infected ship, which is then found by the colonials who figure out what the gently caress is going on, and roslin decides this can be used to retaliate against the cylons and maybe get them off humanity's back at least for a while, if not permanently

(keeping in mind the cylons are all still trying to exterminate humanity and there is no reason to think that they won't eventually succeed given their technology and still-functioning industrial support base)


well, the writers' second-favorite character big ol' chisel-jawed hero Helo doesn't like this one bit. it ain't right. so he takes it upon himself to sabotage the attack plan, which is transparently contrived to allow it to be sabotaged in a way that has no consequences for any of our main cast.


the plan calls for galactica to jump back and basically throw down the gauntlet to the nearest cylon battle formation it can find, trying to goad a resurrection ship into being near enough. after the cylons jump in, galactica's crew is to execute the infected cylons, transmitting the resurrection virus back to the resurrection ship, which will then hopefully spread it to much of cylon society.

here's the contrived part: rather than having the cylons bound and gagged (or even just straight-up under sedation) with guns pointed at their heads ready to shoot the moment that big ol' resurrection ship is spotted, the sequence instead is:

• galactica jumps in, waits for cylons to show up
  
• cylon scout raiders show up
  
• cylon basestars and resurrection ship show up
  
• okay now it's time to have Apollo and friends start walking halfway across the ship to go murder the cylons, rather than just have someone in the room
  

but it's important nobody's in the room with them, because helo scuttles the plan by sabotaging the environmental controls so as to pump all the air out of the room the cylons are being held in, killing them before the resurrection ship shows up

but because no humans got hurt in the process, the writers feel free to just sweep literal treason under the rug. no big deal



that to me was one of the bigger betrayals of the series premise. the show got sold to us as being unafraid of dealing with consequences, and they ran away from that one big time

MA-Horus posted:

Galactica doesn't even have her outer hull plating complete and can still take multiple nukes.

That's a boat.

Blistex posted:

Probably just re-using the CGI model for Galactica and assuming nobody will sperg out about this like we currently are.

Drink-Mix Man posted:

criscodisco posted:

I find it the most strange that apparently he was at a high school drinking party

MrSlam posted:

There's ferengi in the back sweating and crunching numbers on an abacus. "Do they really need to talk? If we combine the stunt role with a speaking part do we have to pay them more? Do phasers count as a stunt shot? Can we just shoot them with a phaser?"

Dicky mouse posted:

The one time the techobabble worked was that klingon civil two parter they were trying to catch the romulans crossing the boarder. They played up the tension and strategy.

"we have a net that will catch them"

"poo poo they have a net that will catch us, find a way to beat it"

"they arent going for it fake an opening"

"Sir they have an opening....No its a trap use that counter messure we came up with"

*Data does what he does best*

Basically it didnt feel like they were casting magic spells.

Drink-Mix Man posted:

Because Wang was an arrogant, pot-headed knob behind the scenes, so the writers punished him by making his character an ineffectual little wiener.

shadow puppet of a posted:

"Hey Ben, I'm back from killing a whole lot of people who were simply working on paid guard duty. No, for the most part they weren't Klingon themselves so the highly convenient Federation rules around blood debts wouldn't really apply . No I don't recall what race they were, sort of a mixed bag of people I killed in cold blood. Anyway, anything fun happen here while I was gone?

Drink-Mix Man posted:

J'AM-BA'H-LAY'AH