alexandriao posted:

haha gently caress yeah my first good page snype

sweet geek swag posted:

Yes, this is what I am saying.

you, repeatedly posted:

Picard renegotiated the treaty

Epicurius posted:

I guess the bigger question about the Maquis is less whether they were right or wrong and more, how is it that the DS9 writers failed in portrayal of them? Because they're meant to be sympathetic in their goals at least. The idea behind them is, you know, these are innocent Federation colonists who want to live their life in peace, who were betrayed by the Federation and are now trying to defend themselves from the Cardassians who want to wipe them out, and that, as per Sisko's "It's easy to be a saint in paradise" speech, the concerns of the colony worlds are being forgotten by the Federation core worlds, who don't care about their problems.

So, I don't know how typical this thread is of DS9 viewers, but obviously, with a lot of the people in this thread, at least, the writers failed to make them sympathetic. So if you're the DS9 writers, and you have to introduce a Maquis storyline, how do you make the Maquis and the colonists on the Cardassian border sympathetic?

Epicurius posted:

Would they have been more sympathetic to you if they had been there longer? If it had been something like, "Our ancestors colonized this place 100 years ago and lived in peace"?

poisonpill posted:

Fed parties were all pretending not to yawn to classical jazz ensembles over sparkling apple juice capped with a lecture about the plants on some planet you’ve never heard of

Marquis parties were shotgunning synth booze and weed with a bunch of college libertarians tediously mis-explaining Ludwig bin Mises at you.

The better party is Marquis because you have a slightly better chance of getting laid

Mulaney Power Move posted:

Ro joined because she missed her dad's space burritos

Ghostlight posted:

homicide is just a fancy word for killing a person.

Ghostlight posted:

it's understandable to think that as all illegal killings of people are homicide, but not all homicides are illegal. capital punishment is one example of a homicide that is legally permitted.

alexandriao posted:

???????

There was a parasite infection that he was stabbing for her, he just didn't realise what it was at the time, iirc?

drat you're gonna make me revisit that episode aren't you

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Pulaski was mean to Data for like two fuckin episodes before coming around on him. I don't know why every time she comes up people think she constantly disrespected him and never changed.

Drink-Mix Man posted:

Stabbed a woman's neck
Commandeered the ship
Got possessed by ancient gods
Got possessed by ghosts
Hardbored a sociopath's disembodied consciousness
Became a space drunk gently caress toy
Conspired with aliens to mind-wipe the entire crew
Tried to murder a guy with a slow-killing torture phaser
Was replaced by an evil twin
Was emotionally manipulated by his evil twin

Mulaney Power Move posted:

thinking about the notion in star trek and other sci fi where there are races that seemingly have a monolithic division of labor, e.g., a race of bounty hunters, a race of warriors, a race of farmers, a race of computer programmers, a race of pro wrestlers, etc. and wondering if there is room for a race of pornographers

Flipswitch posted:

At least he had more to do in Ds9 than game of thrones lol

Drink-Mix Man posted:

The Star trek movies?

Communist Walrus posted:

tango alpha delta posted:

Holy poo poo is TNG S1's "When The Bough Breaks" unbelievably stupid. I guess adoption agencies no longer exist in 2364 so let's steal some children?

tango alpha delta posted:

I'd like to think that after the first visit with the mythical planet, the Federation flagship could have made a few calls to the Federation to help out one or two children on various border worlds 'displaced' by war with the (at this early point in the series) Romulans. The writers really missed a beat by not showing the larger landscape of the galaxy and leaning waaaay too hard on manufactured conflict.

Jose Oquendo posted:

Getting them stranded in the first place. All the dumb poo poo she did while in the Delta Quadrant. And the Janeway that became an admiral didn't really get her people home. It was future Janeway who had to commit multiple crimes and break all the rules to cheat and bring them home early.

Powered Descent posted:

Haven't seen the episode in forever but I could have sworn there was dialogue that said they could do exactly that, but then they'd be leaving the perfectly-functional array in Kazon hands.

alexandriao posted:

#2: All she had to do was beam a timed detonation photon torpedo within range of the station 2 seconds before the caretaker sent them home.

MikeJF posted:

The episode literally textually presents them with a choice of going home at the cost of leaving it in Kazon hands, that's the entire point of the ending.


People have been going 'can't you just use a time bomb?' since it aired.

betaraywil posted:

"Death to the opposition" gets me every time including right now

jsoh posted:

maybe tv just isnt for you. have you tried books?

mango sentinel posted:

Also Allamaraine is a great DS9 episode and I will fight anyone saying otherwise.

mango sentinel posted:

What the gently caress is this libellous claim that I like mullets?

Kart Barfunkel posted:

Hello Trek thread,

I introduced TNG to my girlfriend a few months ago and she’s really fallen in love with the series. We’re both pretty new to the series as a whole but I’m hoping to get some Trek nerd thing for her for Christmas. Is there any particularly novel/fun merchandise for someone with a love of space communism?

Farmer Crack-rear end posted:

Uh, hello, Duet???


I can understand people not finding DS9's first couple of seasons as much to their liking, but anyone who's got time for TNG's last two seasons easily has the time for DS9's first two.


Extremely agreed.

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

I don't think I would say it's the worst. But it's not the best, and every time I watch it, it gets worse.

FlamingLiberal posted:

Generations is just a huge mess with too much going on, and it never really manages to merge the TOS stuff with the TNG stuff.

I will also never get over the Enterprise D being crippled by a lovely old BoP

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

All the characters are out of character, not just Spock with Valeris. Kirk most of all; in order to make the "end of history" plot work, he starts the film as a completely different person, and ends up a caricature of himself, already a victim of Kirk Drift. And don't get me started on dinner with the Klingons - one of the most disjointed and nonsensical scenes in the franchise. On the surface the movie is enjoyable enough and hides its low budget better than Final Frontier, but that's about all I can say for it.

sweet geek swag posted:

TMP is good tho.

Son of Sam-I-Am posted:

If you actually pay attention to the dialogue and try to follow it as dialogue, instead of as individual sound bytes, it's non sequitur after non sequitur. It's like they took a (I will admit the possibility) great scene that was 3 times as long and took a hatchet to it for pacing.

Achmed Jones posted:

Omg I'm watching disco and this is so dumb.

explosivo posted:

Hi friends, I have never watched TNG before or really any Star Trek for that matter but just started watching catching random episodes on Pluto.tv and I think this show might be kinda good! I went back and started watching from the beginning on Netflix, I particularly liked the episode where everyone got covid if covid just made you super horny. Picard grunts suggestively at one point when he realizes he's been infected and it was really loving funny.