Sayara posted:

As someone who knows jackshit about sweden, are SD here the social democrats or swedish democracts? And do you think if SVT being political is a good thing or a bad thing? I usually like my national tv neutral, but there might be exceptions

nagel posted:

How in the everliving gently caress did not the alliance sink like a stone, in Stockholms landsting?!

McCloud posted:

Honestly, sometimes the simplest trolls are the most entertaining, especially when people get so riled up over it.

On a different topic, has this been discussed yet?

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/regeringen-ber-om-storre-makt

"Regeringen vill med anledning av coronakrisen få makt att fatta beslut kopplade till pandemin utan att behöva gå via riksdagen. De har sökt stöd hos oppositionen för att få igenom en lagrådsremiss – men mött på motstånd från Moderaterna. en promemoria från Socialdepartementet till oppositionen, som SVT har tagit del av, beskrivs ett utkast till en lagrådsremiss. Den innehåller förslag om att ge regeringen tillfällig befogenhet att meddela vissa föreskrifter för att stävja spridningen av covid-19 – utan att behöva vända sig till riksdagen.

I promemorian står det att regeringen föreslås få rätt att ta snabba beslut om att bland annat införa tillfälliga begränsningar för folksamlingar, stänga köpcentrum, nattklubbar och restauranger och att införa restriktioner för transportsektorn.

Regleringen ska om den träder i kraft vara tillfällig och föreslås gälla mellan april 2020 och september 2020."

Never let a good crisis go to waste, I suppose.

lilljonas posted:

This I agree with. Also, far too much of economical support is geared towards those who already have the best situation. For example propping up companies with full time employed office workers, who to a large degree can just safely work from home without problems, compared to safekeeping temp workers and those employed in the service industry (which, to a large degree, are the same thing).

EDIT:

Because I'm apparently the ranting guy now. But here's an example of excess morbidity in my region, a comparison between the last five years and this year:



The lighter blue is the last five years, the darker blue this year. Notice how they are, well, quite similar? Despite a pandemic? You could just as well say, based on these stats, that the Swedish strategy is working almost perfectly.

Now I'm not saying it is. But I'm saying you can use statistics to support many different narratives, and you need to be careful to make hasty conclusions because of that.

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Skania (Skåne), less affected than Stockholm - introduced tough measures

So far, Scania has fared better than Stockholm and Vastra Gotaland(Gothenburg) in the corona pandemic.

The regional council believes the explanation is the harsh measures that were quickly taken:

- We were out early with a ban on visits to all hospitals and many of our 33 municipalities followed immediately after, says Carl Johan Sonesson (Moderates(conservatives)).

42 dead in Scania - 897 in Stockholm

Since the first Covid case was registered in Sweden on January 31 this year, 42 coronary deaths have been recorded in Scania. This can be compared to Stockholm where 897 people have died.

Carl Johan Sonesson, chairman of the regional board in Scania, believes that there is a milder development in Scania, as visitors were quickly excluded from all hospitals and that many Scania municipalities immediately followed up with a visit ban in elderly care.

- That we did not have people who went in and out of elderly homes, I personally think that made a big difference. Not everyone knows if they have symptoms, he says.

Culture and dental care

But they also chose to close cultural activities such as the opera and dance theater in Malmo, when the number of visitors according to the Public Health Authority no longer allowed to exceed 500 people.

- Many people adapted and had arrangements with 499 people, but we shut down completely.

Sonesson also points out that all popular dental care was quickly stopped except the most urgent, carried out active infection tracking and that the flight at Danish Kastrup, which many Malmo residents use, stopped earlier than Arlanda.

In Scania, an ad campaign has also been carried out in several languages on buses and trains and the municipal housing company in Malmo has informed 60,000 households about the corona virus.

The fact that Scania acted so tough directly explains the regional council that it was a must in order to cope with increased pressure on health care. But also because the Public Health Authority stated early on that everyone would do what they could to limit the spread of infection.

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/samhalle/a/K3mA2E/skane-mindre-drabbat-an-stockholm--inforde-stenharda-atgarder

Katt posted:

What if like. Various types of Corona have been moving around Asia for centuries and people there have a slight resistance to it?


I mean India has no public healthcare to speak of and people live crowded with poor sanitation. Their numbers should be in the millions easily. Even if they're bad at testing the bodies should have been piled to the rooftops at this point.

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Aggressive testing, contact tracing, cooked meals: How the Indian state of Kerala flattened its coronavirus curve

NEW DELHI — For hours, the health worker ticked through a list of questions: How is your health? What is your state of mind? Are you running out of any food supplies? By the end of the afternoon, she had reached more than 50 people under coronavirus quarantine. Weeks earlier, that number was 200.

Sheeba T.M. was just one of more than 30,000 health workers in the Indian state of Kerala, part of the communist state government’s robust response to the coronavirus pandemic. Other efforts include aggressive testing, intense contact tracing, instituting a longer quarantine, building thousands of shelters for migrant workers stranded by the sudden nationwide shutdown and distributing millions of cooked meals to those in need.

The measures appear to be paying off. Even though Kerala was the first state in the country to report a coronavirus case in late January, the number of new cases in the first week of April dropped 30 percent from the previous week. With just two deaths, 52 percent of positive patients have recovered in the state, higher than elsewhere in India.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...19a9_story.html

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The coronavirus slayer! How Kerala's rock star health minister helped save it from Covid-19

On 20 January, KK Shailaja phoned one of her medically trained deputies. She had read online about a dangerous new virus spreading in China. “Will it come to us?” she asked. “Definitely, Madam,” he replied. And so the health minister of the Indian state of Kerala began her preparations.

Four months later, Kerala has reported only 524 cases of Covid-19, four deaths and – according to Shailaja – no community transmission. The state has a population of about 35 million and a GDP per capita of only £2,200. By contrast, the UK (double the population, GDP per capita of £33,100) has reported more than 40,000 deaths, while the US (10 times the population, GDP per capita of £51,000) has reported more than 82,000 deaths; both countries have rampant community transmission.

As such, Shailaja Teacher, as the 63-year-old minister is affectionately known, has attracted some new nicknames in recent weeks – Coronavirus Slayer and Rockstar Health Minister among them. The names sit oddly with the merry, bespectacled former secondary school science teacher, but they reflect the widespread admiration she has drawn for demonstrating that effective disease containment is possible not only in a democracy, but in a poor one.

How has this been achieved? Three days after reading about the new virus in China, and before Kerala had its first case of Covid-19, Shailaja held the first meeting of her rapid response team. The next day, 24 January, the team set up a control room and instructed the medical officers in Kerala’s 14 districts to do the same at their level. By the time the first case arrived, on 27 January, via a plane from Wuhan, the state had already adopted the World Health Organization’s protocol of test, trace, isolate and support.

As the passengers filed off the Chinese flight, they had their temperatures checked. Three who were found to be running a fever were isolated in a nearby hospital. The remaining passengers were placed in home quarantine – sent there with information pamphlets about Covid-19 that had already been printed in the local language, Malayalam. The hospitalised patients tested positive for Covid-19, but the disease had been contained. “The first part was a victory,” says Shailaja. “But the virus continued to spread beyond China and soon it was everywhere.”

In late February, encountering one of Shailaja’s surveillance teams at the airport, a Malayali family returning from Venice was evasive about its travel history and went home without submitting to the now-standard controls. By the time medical personnel detected a case of Covid-19 and traced it back to them, their contacts were in the hundreds. Contact tracers tracked them all down, with the help of advertisements and social media, and they were placed in quarantine. Six developed Covid-19.

(...)

Places of worship were closed under the rules of lockdown, resulting in protests in some Indian states, but resistance has been noticeably absent in Kerala – in part, perhaps, because its chief minister, Pinarayi Vijayan, consulted with local faith leaders about the closures. Shailaja says Kerala’s high literacy level is another factor: “People understand why they must stay at home. You can explain it to them.”

(...)

Once the second wave has passed – if, indeed, there is a second wave – these teachers will return to schools. She hopes to do the same, eventually, because her ministerial term will finish with the state elections a year from now. Since she does not think the threat of Covid-19 will subside any time soon, what secret would she like to pass on to her successor? She laughs her infectious laugh, because the secret is no secret: “Proper planning.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/14/the-coronavirus-slayer-how-keralas-rock-star-health-minister-helped-save-it-from-covid-19

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Hässleholm Municipality - Hässleholms kommun
Swedish Authority for Privacy Protection - Integritetsskyddsmyndigheten
Jönköping County Building Contractor Association - Jönköpings läns byggmästareförening
Klarna
National Institute of Economic Research - Konjunkturinstitutet
Swedish Competition Authority - Konkurrensverket
Swedish Consumer Agency - Konsumentverket
Swedish Enforcement Authority - Kronofogdemyndigheten

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National Board of Health and Welfare - Socialstyrelsen
Sollefteå Municipality - Sollefteå kommun
Swedish Pensioners' Association - SPF Seniorerna
Spotify
City Mission National Association - Stadsmissionen riksförbund
Startup Sweden
Statistics Sweden - Statistiska centralbyrån (SCB)

Cardiac posted:

Something something the revolutionaries becomes the facto ruling class (see S in Sweden).

Cardiac posted:

Or why communist countries were known for their secret police.

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The IB affair (Swedish: IB-affären) was the exposure of the operations of the IB secret Swedish intelligence agency within the Swedish Armed Forces. The two main purposes of the agency were to handle liaison with foreign intelligence agencies and to gather information about communists and other individuals who were perceived to be a threat to the nation.

The meaning of the name IB is not known with certainty. It is often said to be an abbreviation of either Informationsbyrån (The Information Office, Information Bureau) or Insamling Birger ([Information-]Gathering Birger, after its director Birger Elmér). This is, however, speculation, and neither name was in general use within the organization.

The key persons leading to the exposure of the IB were journalists Jan Guillou and Peter Bratt and their original main source Håkan Isacson.[1] The two reporters revealed their findings in the leftist magazine Folket i Bild/Kulturfront on 3 May 1973.[2] The story was immediately picked up by many leading Swedish dailies.[3] Their revelations were that:

There was a secret intelligence agency in Sweden called IB, without official status. Its director Birger Elmér was reporting directly to select key persons at cabinet level, most likely defence minister Sven Andersson and Prime Minister Olof Palme.
The Riksdag was unaware of its activities.
People with far-left views had been monitored and registered.
IB agents had infiltrated Swedish left-wing organisations and sometimes tried to induce them into criminal acts.
There were Swedish spies operating abroad.
IB spies had broken into the Egyptian and Algerian embassies in Stockholm.
The IB co-operated extensively with the Central Intelligence Agency and Shin Bet, in contrast to the official Swedish foreign policy of neutrality.

See also: Office for Special Assignments

In the following issues of Folket i Bild/Kulturfront the two uncovered further activities of IB and interviewed a man who had infiltrated the Swedish movement supporting the FNL, Vietnamese National Front for the Liberation of South Vietnam - at this time the FNL support network was a backbone of the radical opinion - and among other things, visited Palestinian guerilla camps in Jordan. The man worked for IB and had composed reports that, it was surmised, IB later passed on to the Israeli security services which resulted in the camps being bombed. The man, Gunnar Ekberg, claimed in his interview to have broken with IB, but in fact was still working for the organization. This was exposed in the following editions of FiB/Kulturfront, but by that time, Ekberg had gone underground. Swedish authorities claimed they were unable to locate him to stand trial. In 2009, he released an autobiography of his years in IB, attacking Guillou in particular for having misrepresented facts, been involved with Palestinian militant groups (particularly the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine and Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine), and worked for the KGB; and alleging widespread terrorist ties to the groups and persons monitored by IB. He also confirmed that he had been transferred from IB to the Mossad, an Israeli intelligence agency, immediately prior to his exposure.

Guillou had opened the first article by accusing the director of IB of murder on these grounds. The same issue exposed a Swedish naval captain who had passed reports about the harbor security of Alexandria (implying, again, that IB were exchanging information with the Israelis); also the story of a woman who had, on the orders of IB, spied out potential bombing targets in Egypt.

The magazine had information from a previous employee of IB, Håkan Isacson, who claimed that IB had broken into the offices of two political organizations: the FNL Groups, a pro-North Vietnamese organization, and the Communist Party of Sweden, a Maoist political party. This concerned a Jordanian citizen and a stateless citizen. A wiretap was installed in the latter case. After this uncovering, the defense minister did admit that IB engaged in espionage outside of Sweden and infiltrated organizations within Sweden, including wiretaps.

Evidence was put forth in 1974 that IB had built up a large network of agents in Finland, which included the Finnish foreign minister Väinö Leskinen. This network's main mission was to gather information regarding the Soviet Union. IB had no contacts with the Finnish Security Intelligence Service, since it was believed to have been infiltrated by Soviet agents.

Cardiac posted:

And since the left refuses to learn from history, they also don’t learn from past mistakes, so this won’t change.

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The theory of the productive forces, sometimes referred to as productive force determinism, is a widely disseminated variation of historical materialism and Marxism that places primary emphasis on technical advances as the basis for advances and changes in the social structure and culture of a given civilization.

Karl Marx posted:

[I]t is only possible to achieve real liberation in the real world [...] by employing real means[.] [S]lavery cannot be abolished without the steam-engine and the mule and spinning-jenny, serfdom cannot be abolished without improved agriculture, and that, in general, people cannot be liberated as long as they are unable to obtain food and drink, housing and clothing in adequate quality and quantity. "Liberation" is a historical and not a mental act, and it is brought about by historical conditions, the development of industry, commerce, agriculture, the conditions of intercourse [Verkehr].

Premier Vladimir Lenin posted:

Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.

You must remember that our Soviet land is impoverished after many years of trial and suffering, and has no socialist France or socialist England as neighbours which could help us with their highly developed technology and their highly developed industry. Bear that in mind! We must remember that at present all their highly developed technology and their highly developed industry belong to the capitalists, who are fighting us.

President Deng Xiaoping posted:

We did a great deal of work between 1949, when the People’s Republic of China was founded, and 1976, when Chairman Mao Zedong passed away. We were particularly successful during the period of transition from new-democratic revolution to socialist revolution, in which we carried out agrarian reform and then, in the period of the First Five-Year Plan [1953-1957], engaged in large-scale industrialization and completed the socialist transformation of agriculture, handicrafts and capitalist industry and commerce.

We began to experience some trouble in 1957, when “Left” ideology appeared. It was necessary for us to combat bourgeois Rightists, but we went too far. In 1958 the spread of “Left” thinking led to the Great Leap Forward and the movement to establish people’s communes. That was a serious mistake, and we suffered because of it. During the three years of economic difficulty from 1959 through 1961, industrial and agricultural output dropped, so that commodities were in short supply. The people didn’t have enough to eat, and their enthusiasm was greatly dampened. At that time our Party and Chairman Mao Zedong enjoyed high prestige acquired through long years of struggle, and we explained to the people frankly why the situation was so difficult. We abandoned the slogan of the Great Leap Forward and adopted more realistic policies and measures instead. The year 1962 saw the beginning of recovery, and in 1963 and 1964 things were looking up, but our guiding ideology still contained remnants of “Left” thinking.

In 1965 it was said that certain persons who were in power in the Party were taking the capitalist road. Then came the “cultural revolution”, in which the “Left” ideology was carried to its extreme and the ultra-Left trend of thought became rampant. The “cultural revolution” actually began in 1965, but it was officially declared only a year later. It lasted a whole decade, from 1966 through 1976, during which time almost all the veteran cadres who formed the backbone of the Party were brought down. It was they who were made the targets of the “cultural revolution”.

After the downfall of the Gang of Four, we began to set things to rights, that is, to correct the ultra-Left trend of thought. But we still maintained that it was necessary to uphold Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought. When we met in 1981, I talked about keeping to the socialist road, upholding the people’s democratic dictatorship, upholding leadership by the Communist Party and upholding Marxism-Leninism and Mao Zedong Thought. Now we call these the Four Cardinal Principles. If we do not uphold them in our effort to correct ultra-Left thinking, we shall end up “correcting” Marxism-Leninism and socialism.

We summed up our experience in building socialism over the past few decades. We had not been quite clear about what socialism is and what Marxism is. Another term for Marxism is communism. It is for the realization of communism that we have struggled for so many years. We believe in communism, and our ideal is to bring it into being. In our darkest days we were sustained by the ideal of communism. It was for the realization of this ideal that countless people laid down their lives. A Communist society is one in which there is no exploitation of man by man, there is great material abundance and the principle of from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs is applied. It is impossible to apply that principle without overwhelming material wealth. In order to realize communism, we have to accomplish the tasks set in the socialist stage. They are legion, but the fundamental one is to develop the productive forces so as to demonstrate the superiority of socialism over capitalism and provide the material basis for communism. For a long time we neglected the development of the productive forces of the socialist society. From 1957 on they grew at a snail’s pace. In the countryside, after ten years — that is, in 1966 — the peasants’ income had risen only very slightly. Although peasants in some areas were better off, those in many other areas still lived in poverty. Of course, even that was progress, compared with the old days. Still, it was far from a socialist standard of living. During the “cultural revolution” things went from bad to worse.

By setting things to rights, we mean developing the productive forces while upholding the Four Cardinal Principles. To develop the productive forces, we have to reform the economic structure and open to the outside world. After the Third Plenary Session of the Eleventh Central Committee we began our reform step by step, starting with the countryside. The rural reform has achieved good results, and there has been a noticeable change in the countryside. Drawing on our successful experience in rural reform, we embarked on urban reform. Urban reform, a comprehensive undertaking involving all sectors, has been going on for a year now, ever since the second half of last year. Since it is much more complicated than rural economic reform, mistakes and risks are unavoidable, and that’s something we are quite aware of. But economic reform is the only way to develop the productive forces. We have full confidence in urban reform, although it will take three to five years to demonstrate the correctness of our policies.

In the course of reform it is very important for us to maintain our socialist orientation. We are trying to achieve modernization in industry, agriculture, national defence and science and technology. But in front of the word “modernization” is a modifier, “socialist”, making it the “four socialist modernizations”. The policies of invigorating our domestic economy and opening to the outside world are being carried out in accordance with the principles of socialism. Socialism has two major requirements. First, its economy must be dominated by public ownership, and second, there must be no polarization.

Public ownership may consist of both ownership by the entire people and ownership by the collective. The publicly owned sector of our economy accounts for more than 90 per cent of the total. At the same time, we allow a small private sector to develop, we absorb foreign capital and introduce advanced technology, we encourage Chinese and foreign enterprises to establish joint and cooperative ventures and we even encourage foreigners to set up wholly owned factories in China. All that will serve as a supplement to the socialist economy.

From such ventures workers get wages and the state collects taxes, and part of the income of the joint and cooperative ventures goes to the socialist sector. An even more important aspect of all these ventures is that from them we can learn managerial skills and advanced technology that will help us develop our socialist economy. This cannot and will not undermine the socialist economy. As of now, there has been only limited foreign investment, far less than we feel we need.

As to the requirement that there must be no polarization, we have given much thought to this question in the course of formulating and implementing our policies. If there is polarization, the reform will have been a failure. Is it possible that a new bourgeoisie will emerge? A handful of bourgeois elements may appear, but they will not form a class.

In short, our reform requires that we keep public ownership predominant and guard against polarization. In the last four years we have been proceeding along these lines. That is, we have been keeping to socialism.

Let me add that our socialist state apparatus is so powerful that it can intervene to correct any deviations. To be sure, the open policy entails risks and may bring into China some decadent bourgeois things. But with our socialist policies and state apparatus, we shall be able to cope with them. So there is nothing to fear.

Our comrades have published a collection of some of my speeches, entitled Build Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, which includes, for instance, my opening speech at the Twelfth National Party Congress. I don’t know if you have read it. What, after all, is socialism? The Soviet Union has been building socialism for so many years and yet is still not quite clear what it is. Perhaps Lenin had a good idea when he adopted the New Economic Policy. But as time went on, the Soviet pattern became ossified. We were victorious in the Chinese revolution precisely because we applied the universal principles of Marxism-Leninism to our own realities.

In building socialism we have had both positive and negative experiences, and they are equally useful to us. I hope you will particularly study our “Left” errors. History bears witness to the losses we have suffered on account of those errors. Being totally dedicated to the revolution, we are liable to be too impetuous. It is true that we have good intentions, that we are eager to see the realization of communism at an early date. But often our very eagerness has prevented us from making a sober analysis of subjective and objective conditions, and we have therefore acted in contradiction to the laws governing the development of the objective world. In the past China made the mistake of trying to plunge ahead too fast. We hope you will give special consideration to our negative experiences. Of course one can learn from the experience of other countries, but one must never copy everything they have done.

(Excerpt from a talk with Robert Mugabe, Prime Minister of Zimbabwe and President of the Zimbabwe African National Union (Patriotic Front).)
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/deng-xiaoping/1985/112.htm

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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Comment/Xi-Jinping-points-China-to-Communist-Revolution-2.0
Xi Jinping points China to Communist Revolution 2.0

BEIJING -- Chinese President Xi Jinping on Aug. 17 announced policies toward achieving "common prosperity," a redistribution of income arrived at through new remuneration, tax and donation systems.

Twenty-six hours after the policies were unveiled, tech giant Tencent Holdings said it would provide 50 billion yuan ($7.8 billion) to the common prosperity initiative.

China needs income redistribution, but even with the flurry of announcements, societal tensions are mounting.

This is because Xi's policies are becoming ever more similar to those implemented by Mao Zedong. Here are some of the echoes of Mao's policies China hears today:

Attack local tyrants, divide up the farmland:

In its early days, the Chinese Communist Party won the hearts of peasants by seizing farmland from its owners and redistributing it to the peasants.

Donations under the initiative of common prosperity are supposed to be voluntary, but the policies call for "adjusting excessive incomes and prohibiting illicit income." These words have great power in a country where leaders, not laws, determine what should and should not be done.

Public-private joint management:

Under this economic reform, "delighted" private company owners were forced to dedicate their enterprises to the party.

In July, the Education Ministry said private schools should be operated by public authorities or abolished under certain conditions. A private high school in Henan Province won praise by swiftly deciding it "will donate everything to the government."

In another example, some cash-strapped private companies that relied on government rescue funds have been put under state control. Also, many private enterprises such as Alibaba and Tencent have internal party organizations that can serve as the foundation for de facto nationalization.

Supply and marketing cooperatives:

Along with people's communes and rural credit cooperatives, these took charge in distributing produce and supplying materials while heeding a rations system.

In June, the national organization of supply and marketing cooperatives -- all but forgotten since Deng Xiaoping introduced his reform and opening-up policy in 1978 -- made a surprise announcement: It will team up with the People's Bank of China and other parties to establish a business model covering everything from production to supplies and marketing to credit in rural areas. If materialized, it's a return to the era of the people's commune.

Why is Xi implementing policies that could make capital markets uneasy and put the brakes on innovation? If the "revival of the Chinese race" is the Chinese dream, policies that deny the path set by Deng and hamper economic development will certainly backfire.

But a close examination of Xi's ideology reveals a different ambition. Below are excerpts of important speeches about the developmental stage of Xi Jinping Thought.

"Marxism argues that humankind will inevitably take a path to communism, but it will be achieved through historical phases."

"Comrade Deng Xiaoping said socialism is the primary stage of communism and China is at the primary stage of socialism, in other words, at the undeveloped stage."

"With that judgment, he promoted reform and opening-up, made historic achievements and ushered in a new era."

"We already have a rich material basis for realizing new, even higher goals."

These remarks are in line with the historical materialism of Marxism. Karl Marx argued that capitalism's contradictions prompt socialist revolutions and eventually lead to communism. Ironically, revolutions occurred in countries where capitalism was undeveloped, and experiments to create communist societies ended in failure.

From this point of view, Xi has not denied the path taken by Deng. Through the inevitable developmental stage of the "maturing of a capitalist economy and the exposure of contradictions" brought about by Deng, Xi is leading China to Communist Revolution 2.0, an attempt to renew society.

Feliday Melody posted:

We have briefings on this but I have no interest in debating this. So I will just settle for: hard disagree on all drone related points.

Feliday Melody posted:

They're considering maybe forming an opinion on the topic soon.

https://twitter.com/dadgostarnooshi/status/1498389410441838592?s=20&t=l5z6RvN0H-Hffcv1Kl5ifg


I've never seen Nooshi be so...... unspecific before. She's usually pretty straight forward.

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Statement: No to war - We condemn Russia's attack on Ukraine

In the morning, we have been reached by reports of Russian missile attacks on targets in Ukraine. This is a very worrying development, for the people of Ukraine but also of Russia. In all wars, the working class is the hardest hit.

The truth is the first victim of the war. Friends of the peace should therefore keep a cool head when misinformation can come from both sides.

Ukraine's low-intensity war against the breakaway republics of eastern Ukraine, the right-wing extremist forces that gained air under the wings of the Western-backed coup in Ukraine in 2014 and NATO's encirclement of Russia are important underlying causes of the conflict around Ukraine. But that does not justify Russia's military attack on Ukraine.

The hypocrisy of the Western powers in the face of Russia's actions is indisputable. Russia has learned from US and NATO methods of violence in recent decades. The US attack on Iraq, the NATO bombings of Yugoslavia and Libya, and the Western powers' illegitimate recognition of and outbreak of Kosovo in violation of international law have opened the door for other states to act in a similar way.

Wars and conflicts are an inevitable part of the capitalist and imperialist system. The conflict over Ukraine is part of the larger showdown in Europe, where US imperialism through NATO is trying to secure economic and geopolitical interests.

No to war - Russia's military action against Ukraine must end
Yes to a peaceful and diplomatic solution - Sweden should not provide military support to Ukraine
No to NATO - Sweden must be non-aligned

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Uttalande: Nej till krig – Vi fördömer Rysslands angrepp på Ukraina

Under morgonen har vi nåtts av rapporter om ryska missilattacker mot mål i Ukraina. Det är en mycket oroande utveckling, för folket i Ukraina men också i Ryssland. I alla krig är det arbetarklassen som drabbas hårdast.

Sanningen är krigets första offer. Fredsvänner bör därför hålla huvudet kallt när det kan komma desinformation från båda sidor.

Ukrainas lågintensiva krig mot utbrytarrepublikerna i östra Ukraina, de högerextrema krafter som fick luft under vingarna i den väststödda kuppen i Ukraina 2014 och Natos inringning av Ryssland är viktiga bakomliggande orsaker till konflikten runt Ukraina. Men det rättfärdigar inte att Ryssland militärt attackerar Ukraina.

Västmakternas hyckleri inför Rysslands agerande är odiskutabelt. Ryssland har lärt av USA:s och Natos våldsmetoder de senaste decennierna. USA:s angrepp på Irak, Natos bombningar av Jugoslavien och Libyen, och västmakternas illegitima erkännande av och utbrytande av Kosovo i strid med folkrätten har öppnat för andra stater att agera på liknande sätt.

Krig och konflikter är en ofrånkomlig del av det kapitalistiska och imperialistiska systemet. Konflikten runt Ukraina är en del av den större kraftmätningen i Europa, där USA-imperialismen genom Nato försöker säkra ekonomiska och geopolitiska intressen.

Nej till krig – Rysslands militära aktioner mot Ukraina måste upphöra
Ja till en fredlig och diplomatisk lösning – Sverige ska inte ge militärt stöd till Ukraina
Nej till Nato – Sverige ska vara alliansfritt

V. Illych L. posted:

BonHair posted:

Nuke Swedish cities? As a Dane, this seems like a good solution, although to a different problem.

Nenonen posted:

Just because you are a clueless NATO hater and Putin lover doesn't mean that you have to hand it to all genocidal dicktators

MiddleOne posted:

So guys, who do you think wins the election in September.

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Fascism is not only a military-technical category. Fascism is the bourgeoisie’s fighting organisation that relies on the active support of Social-Democracy. Social-Democracy is objectively the moderate wing of fascism. There is no ground for assuming that the fighting organisation of the bourgeoisie can achieve decisive successes in battles, or in governing the country, without the active support of Social-Democracy.

Star posted:

Shocking turn of events in the story of SD’s vitbok https://www.dn.se/sverige/sds-vitboksforfattare-uppges-ha-varit-medlem-i-partiet/

Jack Trades posted:

Swexit when

Cardiac posted:

McCloud posted:

solutions that are workable?

Revelation 2-13 posted:

It’s extremely fitting for the scandipol thread, that the elected idiot king is the “definitely not racist, just extremely focused on all the totally factual, very serious; problems related to immigration and immigrant-caused crime.”.

Postorder Trollet89 posted:

Absolutely:

https://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/a/XqxLJ7/jag-verkar-ha-fatt-ratt-om-von-papen

Ulf Kristersson Von Papen is gonna make the history books for all the wrong reasons.

Cardiac posted:

Ah, the Tucker Carlson of Sweden.
He is a mouthpiece for S, who owns the editorial part of Aftonbladet.

TheFluff posted:

shut the gently caress up about american loving politics, gently caress

most threads on this godforsaken forum are about that poo poo, we don't need this one too

TheFluff posted:

There hasn't ever really been a meaningful centrist faction in Swedish politics since the 1930's, though.

david_a posted:

I don’t know, anything I know about Swedish politics I’ve had to piece together from websites since I left well before schooling covered anything beyond ancient history. Wasn’t V more or less run by the Soviet Communist Party at one point?

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You are communists!
No, we are socialists and democrats. We want to expand the democratic rights and freedoms. Precisely because countries that was led by communists many times did the opposite* the Left Party stopped calling itself communist over 30 years ago.

Ni är kommunister!
Nej, vi är socialister och demokrater. Vi vill utvidga de demokratiska fri- och rättigheterna. Just för att länder som leddes av kommunister många gånger gjorde tvärtom* så slutade Vänsterpartiet kalla sig kommunistiskt för över 30 år sedan.

Postorder Trollet89 posted:

V are very immature which kills their voter base

Cardiac posted:

loving finally after 8 years of idiocy.
Take that you leftist fuckers in this echo chamber.

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