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Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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The Danish word kuk is a lot funnier for Norwegians than tull will ever be

My favorite Scandinavian word is rar, as that means three different things
:norway: weird
:denmark: pleasant
:sweden: cute

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Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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«Du er rar... men bare på svensk» is what I say to make my daughter smile when she's being weird

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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BlankSystemDaemon posted:

En dansker skal i hvert fald heller ikke kommenterer en svenskers tasker, uprovokeret.

There is a "Danish is unintelligible" joke here, but I assume it's been :regd08: on page 2

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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teen witch posted:

This is some poo poo I’d pull in HS if I didn’t do my homework, but I would just flat out cut the class to spare everyone the embarrassment.

Doesn’t he, of all people in the country, have a way around this? What logistical issues are there, really?

E: wait how did he leave the country without his passport? They check it before you enter a plane or boat. And given his final destination is Ukraine wouldn’t they be triple sure that all was in order before leaving Terra Svea?

Schengen?

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Stalins Moustache posted:

Dette fortsetter å forvirre meg når jeg snakker med svensker.
Hva er det som er så rart og rolig hele tiden?! :(

I Østersund kaller de øl for bæsj. And I think that's beautiful

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Nov 8, 2004

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Baudolino posted:

Just stop all goverment funding of bybanen. Its a waste of money while this infigthing is going on. Its fine to spend money on infrastructure but not if the plans depend entirely on a banana republic behaving responsibly.

It's ok, we've only waited three decades for the electrification of Trønderbanen - we'll be happy to wait a few decades more until they figure it out

(I know this is not how it works)

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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teen witch posted:

You want it all but you can't have it
It's in your face but you can't grab it

What is it?
It's it

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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V. Illych L. posted:

well it's certainly a good way of making the arrangement explicit, but you'd think that a tremendously wealthy petrostate could at least pay its own spooks

No no, you see. Ally, and Soviet Russia bad. Also the PM might be invited to the white house uuhh

On paper I assume the US have paid for much of the installations using US tech that Norway doesn't produce ourselves - but I'm pretty sure there are some close personal ties between PST leadership and someone high up in the CIA

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Baudolino posted:

It is however an incredibly bad sign that oil and gas companies pay an ever increasing total percentage of all corporate tax year after year. And that we are losing one sucessful private enterprise after another to foreign interests. The closer we get to the end date of our oil and gas sector the less prepared we become.
But i agree that just cutting taxes and welfare will just lead us to where Britain is now, things falling apart and an explosion of obvious Dickensian need. But no new businesses or decent jobs or really anything being improved. We cant go on has we, so what can we do? We can`t go full Juche even as a joke, we`ll starve to death in three months.

With a population growth of 0,6% and an increase of businesses that survive over 5 years are around 1,5% I'll say that it's not that hard to start a business here. So the decrease of corporate taxes as a part of our income is the main driver

What we do need to do is renationalize crucial infrastructure and provide good jobs there - railways and energy infrastructure are two very good examples of this. If you run a business and you have 13 times your annual budget on hand you start investing. Most other western countries provide relatively equal services as us - but manage to do it without an enormous slush fund

If we want to create good opportunities for businesses we need to provide some sort of competitive advantage, and gutting workers rights or race to the bottom with taxes are short sighted. What we can do is to ensure that the infrastructure is world class, that our work force is well educated, motivated and effective. Take Aker Verdal who builds multiple jackets for oil platforms internationally, and that's because Norwegian workers in general work more effectively and to a higher quality thanks to our relatively good education and working conditions

Note: I'm not a macro economist, so even if I'm very interested in macro, I've only had time and money to take a bachelor degree in economics - so I can't model the effects

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Nov 8, 2004

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V. Illych L. posted:

norway has for a very long time been an empirically good place to start a business. the issue, as i understand it, is that once you've started your business you need to basically be doing computer touching or resource extraction because you're uncompetitive on wages otherwise. so once the business is up and running, if it's one of those boring old-style shops that makes things to sell, it is almost always a good idea to either sell out or flag out.

the end of the scandinavian model of wage restraint in high-earning sectors also means that norway has to be in permanent fiscal discipline-mode to avoid dutch disease, which may be what that professor guy was getting at with his 1,5% proposed spending cap. i do not think that turning electricity into an export commodity of its own rather than a competitive advantage for norwegian industry more generally was a good move either way, though

Are you talking about the export market here? Because that's going absolutely swimmingly now that the NOK has tanked

And yeah, "flag out" is a really economically beneficial thing to do for the owners - not necessarily for the companies that still operate in Norway. I really don't think we need to placate people who wants the benefit of our generous gründer policies just to gently caress off to avoid paying taxes. I say let them leave and revise our system so that they can't exploit that loophole. Right now their getting both bag and sack

Witzø wants to move? Let him, but cancel his quotas and redistribute them to local actors. Some poo poo heel welfare profiteer starts to move out? Ban for-profit welfare

And yes, I know much of the things we should do is against EEC rules, but look to other countries and see how meaningless those rulings actually are

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dutch disease
The Tulip crash is very hyperbolic and the myth was created by Calvinists who saw the dutch economic system itself as a evil rot in society (and that was pretty much correct, but they spread the butter too thick)

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/there-never-was-real-tulip-fever-180964915/

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Don't take my word for this, but I remember reading that removing the Norwegian wealth tax would create 20,000 zero-tax payers. If these are the people who move away thanks to that tax, they aren't really necessary so gently caress them

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Jack Trades posted:

https://www.di.se/live/if-metall-fler-sympatistrejker-mot-tesla/

Tesla getting reamed from every direction for their bullshit is one of the few recent events that give me some modicum of hope.


NRK had a busy october

V. Illych L. posted:

i can believe that the rules as written don't punish this sort of behaviour, but those rules then really need to be rewritten'

as it stands, insider trading is now perfectly legal so long as it's properly laundered and you don't beat the market by too much

It's a feature, not a bug

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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I remember when Audun Lysbakken resigned as a minister because his department (not him) gave "Jenteforsvaret" a sub-organization ran by Socialist Youth 150,000 NOK to hold classes for self defense

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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The main reason I vote SV is because of this - if you're in the leadership of SV and gently caress up your harshest criticism won't be from the media or political opponents. You get 15,000 members who go "Jeg er ikke sint, bare veldig veldig skuffet" and your political career is over if you don't take responsibility. It's been that way since Berit Ås

I'm not sure about all the rest of the parties, but I think Venstre also has a decent party culture where people are held accountable even if they're "good politicians" like serial sex abuser Trond "Gisse" Giske, has personal allies in the party like Huitfeld, or is good for elections like Solberg

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Anders posted:


NRK had a busy october

Norwegian stevedores refuse to unload Swedish Teslas

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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SplitSoul posted:

Mette Frederiksen has asked the Minister of Justice to investigate the protests against the genocide in Gaza for "support for terrorism". My hatred for this disgusting ghoul is pure, undiluted Vantablack at this point.

You do have the worst politicians in Scandinavia. Remember the law that made something legal from '68-'80? Or the 2005 ban that only happened because of tourism? IMO, the only thing you got going for you currently is LEGO land, Tivoli, cheese and Matilda milkshake. The rest is mid to outright bad

(Yes, this is hyperbole as an emotional response to the racism)

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Slashrat posted:

I already sort of resigned myself to only considering parties left of S in the future after they began their fling with V and V-light. Haven't dug into how B, F, Ø and Å have positioned themselves on the conflict in the past couple of weeks. Any disappointment awaiting me there?

From my limited knowledge of Danish politics, I'd say yes. If there are any pro-Palestinians further to the right of the Social Democrats they're likely anti-semitic instead of anti-zionistic

But I assume the worst about all Danish politicians so...

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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tbf to Giske, there have been a lot of girls entering politics these five last years he hasn't gotten to diddle yet


"Fun" Fact: The open secret within youth politics during the mid-90s when Giske was leader of AUF, is that their central committee had an internal competition on who could bed the most members during their two-week summer camp


edit: I'm happy with this page snipe :colbert:

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Nice piece of fish posted:

Well? Who won???

Depends on the category - consensual or non-consensual?

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Whaaaat, Ap putting personal relations over competence when it comes to choosing positions. I'm shocked I say, SHOCKED!

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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V. Illych L. posted:

yeah she's not very good, as illustrated by her failing to put giske properly in the ground

I don't think you realize how many 60+ women in Trøndelag Ap really loving love that sleezebag. His cult of personality is the biggest one since Gerhardsen (in Ap)

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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V. Illych L. posted:

i genuinely almost cannot believe that erna solberg is going to try to shrug off being formally incompetent for a whole mess of important government business throughout her tenure as prime minister

it's enormously irresponsible

Wait until you realize that the Høyre voters doesn't care either. They're still polling pretty much the same

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Megamissen posted:

what are the traffic laws for police like in sweden?
walking home today i saw two uniformed policemen in a civilian/unmarked car drive into a pedestrian torg area, walk into a bar and leave after ~1 minute then drive away

Laws don't really apply to cops anywhere unless they get caught

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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evil_bunnY posted:

Parking dude's a loving king. What a G.

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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:downsbravo: Denmark

Should be renamed Chudmark

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Dustmark

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Tesla workers in Norway unionize in secrecy

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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BigglesSWE posted:

Ulf Kristersson might've made the Groda of a century:

https://twitter.com/kommunistiska/status/1727080396947632265?s=20

Naturally, the Internet gremlins will point out (accurately) that he only said "folk-" to which I say, fair, but what word did he intend to say? "Folkmord" is certainly right at hand, though I would certainly not like to assume that's where his mind was going. "Folkrättslig something something" maybe? Who knows. Either way. LoL our government sucks.

How does the Swedish public react? Is it like in Norway where the vast majority is pro-palestinian?

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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teen witch posted:

**not denying that antisemitic Muslims don’t exist because they absolutely do

Muslim anti-semitism really took off during the 30s after the Haifa Market Bombing. There were already high tensions after Jewish settlers with a lot of funding from Jewish philanthropists and with the support of the British established colonies that displaced the locals

Edit: not that this excuses anti-semitism that is horrible like any other racism

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Musk thinking Nordic laws are even somewhat close to the US when it comes to labor laws is :hmbol:

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Jack Trades posted:

Also, I'm not 100% certain but I'm pretty sure the government agencies has nothing to do with it. Afaik Transportstyrelsen does make the license plates and hand them over to PostNord to send them to Tesla, it's the PostNord workers that are refusing to deliver them to Tesla and PostNord aren't a government agency.

PostNord AB is owned 60% by the Swedish state and 40% by the Danish state. Elektronikkbutikk Moskus can still get bent

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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teen witch posted:

The fact that Denmark is partial owner could make this very interesting

It was a merger between Posten in Sweden and Denmark iirc - in Norway they are a poo poo version of FedEx

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Jack Trades posted:

For example nurses are not legally allowed to strike which is why their working conditions are completely hosed and why something like 30-35% of them currently work outside of their profession.
It's been decided that we're allowed to exploit them.

Isn't it like in Norway where they technically can have a limited strike until the government steps in and sends it to a National Wage Board (Lønnsnemnd) where they always favour the employer? Especially when the employer is the government. At least that's what happens every time nurses or teachers try to go on strike here

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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I agree - we should just start to say "gently caress the lønnsnemd" and keep on striking. It's useless when it always favours the employers no matter how unreasonable their offering is

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Jack Trades posted:

It's never gonna happen but it would be nice.

We're probably getting another conservative government here next year, and depending on how fast they're loving up poo poo this time I wouldn't rule out a general strike in the next decade

I wouldn't bet on it either though

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Dirk Pitt posted:

The thing I hate the most about this Mosk deal is this guy is taking up space in my head.

https://x.com/nicklasnilsso14/status/1729090172409499690

What kind of weird Swede is an Elon Musk super fan?

20% of Swedes vote for a party founded by legit neo -nazis, swaztikas and all

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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SplitSoul posted:

The Institute for Human Rights released a new report detailing immigrant experiences with racism in Denmark and it's even worse than one would expect. Numbers are from the past year.

https://menneskeret.dk/udgivelser/oplevet-etnisk-diskrimination-danmark

Or how this will be covered in Danish press: "Ungrateful immigrants blame racism for all their problems"

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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A Buttery Pastry posted:

And in the right wing press, "We need to pump that last number up"

"Innvandringsregulerende tiltak"

Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Eurovision is so expensive I hope Norway doesn't win every year

I had my shows cancelled by Alexander Rybak

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Anders
Nov 8, 2004

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Potrzebie posted:

:argh: Invandrare!!!!!1

And a poor one at that! Can't afford extortion prices. Will probably mooch off the Swedish taxpayers by watching it on television like some kind of leech

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