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Oberleutnant posted:Fash got hosed in Southampton Good to hear: I forgot that it was this morning and didn't go to the demo 
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thespaceinvader posted:Great speech thanks for linking it up. Burnham is a True Loyalist.
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Jul 2, 2016 23:57
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Firos posted:Education is actually one of those things where no, yeah just throw money at it and it would actually straight up improve things in most regards. Not that there isn't better ways to use that money: But in general the more staffing you throw at teaching the better it gets. You get diminishing returns pretty quickly once classes get below 20ish, and training teachers better is more effective than having more of them. But money always helps.
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Jul 3, 2016 18:31
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Pureauthor posted:What does 'charterize' mean in this context? (Don't know much about UK politics or systems generally) The term is from America, where "Charter schools" are privately run schools with less oversight ran by private bodies (and they can be selective aswell)
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Jul 3, 2016 18:45
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Darth Walrus posted:Assuming that he - or any of us - survive a fast general election and 4-5 years of Prime Minister May with a solid Commons majority. 12 MPs does not make a solid majority
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Tesseraction posted:David Davis says that Blair deceived the house, and asks what can be done about it. Cameron ignores the question and blows him off
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Jul 6, 2016 13:20
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Tory benches are quite empty at the moment.
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Jul 6, 2016 13:22
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On the point of new labour members not being very active. I can say that in my ward, I was the only new activist to turn up regularly to canvassing since the loss in 2015, but the branch meetings have had alot more members than usual (most noticeable directly after Corbyns election to the leadership)
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Jul 7, 2016 00:11
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Unless the increase in membership actually gets out and help, by knocking on doors, phonebanking, etc. Not much, beyond the increased income. And I haven't seen that many of the new members out campaigning (if you get an email about canvassing in your area: go, the people are lovely and friendly and it does make you feel like you're doing something to help.)
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Jul 8, 2016 19:13
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thespaceinvader posted:This is the problem I have with canvassing: in my local area it owuld mostly be preaching to the converted. How does that actually help? By making people realise that Labour is still around, caring and listening to people. If your areas pretty labour, it means you'll have some local councilors who might be canvassing with you, and people often have problems they want to bring to them (and then be ungrateful afterwards). And by getting your foot in the door with your local party, you get more involved in helping with other things, other nearby areas etc.
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Jul 8, 2016 20:34
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NRVNQSR posted:Gove's time at MoJ was... weird. We all know what he did at the DoE, but every policy I heard about while he was at justice was surprisingly decent and rehabilitation focused. Did the bad stuff just not get covered, or was this a stopped clock situation? For one, he was following up Grayling, and even Gove can't be worse than Grayling.
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Jul 11, 2016 12:10
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Does the Commons have to vote on holding a snap election? Yep, because of fixed term parliament act.
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As anything else to do with Parliament, a majority of MPs can repel the FTPA (or call no confidence) and allow a GE to be called. I don't think there's room on the parliamentary schedule for this to happen before the summer recess, so October GE at earliest.
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NRVNQSR posted:What would be the optics if May calls for an early election and it fails because Labour vote against? Won't happen: Tories can revoke the FTPA with a majority, so don't need to bother with Labour support.
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ukle posted:You are due an awakening, if you start to become and active member of the Lib Dem's. I used to be but the kind of talk locally from the senior members after the start of the coalition made me quit, they were all mini Cleggs who thought was better to be in power than actually keep to the promises. They now appear to me to be a lot like the worst parts of the PLP. I hear that from a friend of mine who got involved in Lib Dem council politics: He got roped in to standing for a seat, won it, and a few months later hates the entire party.
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Miftan posted:Just joined the Labour party an hour ago. Can I still vote for Corbs if I cough up 25 pounds? Yes
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Jul 12, 2016 22:35
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You can actually take back article 50 once you begin negotiates, according to the legal review done for the House of Lords. So you can invoke article 50, negotiate a exit deal, send it to referendum, and then uninvoke article 50 if it comes back a no.
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Jul 13, 2016 21:35
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namesake posted:I don't think the EU would stand for that kind of brinkmanship bullshit to be honest. They might not stand for it, but (legally) its possible.
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namesake posted:You can't just slam down a legal opinion from the HoL like a trump card. Every indication from the EU is that the UK is on a course to exit; everyone will be mentally adjusted to an exit, businesses will be making plans for exit, the other EU states politics will be shaped by the expectation of the UK leaving. Going right to the very end of this hard process and then just going 'Nope!' will do the UK no favours at all. There's no legal precedent for this so you're relying on politics and good relations with the other European states; we don't have those and won't have those, so hoping that a EU court rules in our favour after pulling stunts like that is absolutely crazy. I'm not saying it would be a good idea, or one that would go down well. But given that A. Its really hard to expel members from the EU and B. The legal opinion is in that direction, that it is possible for Smith to promise a referendum on a deal as a promise that a labour government in power could plausibly keep. I agree we should just get on with trying to get the best exit terms and not try to go back, but it is a feasible opinion a opposition or government could take.
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Genetic posted:Having just joined the Labour party for pretty obvious national-economic-suicide related reasons, while I wait for my membership pack to arrive I'm wondering what else there is to be done. I mean, I've signed up, I will vote with my conscience and if I have to pay money to do it I guess I will. Well, I would tell you to get involved in your local labour party, join cavassing sessions if you are informed about them etc... Buuuuut all of that was just cancelled by the NEC, so apart from waiting till the election is over and voting out all the blairite fuckers there's not much you can do, beyond try and argue and promote the labour party and tell people how poo poo the Tories are in your daily life (which may be a bit of an echo chamber).
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Jul 15, 2016 13:06
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Thundercloud posted:It's to prevent motions of no confidence and AGMs, because lol at any Blairite committees staying in power at the moment. Except meetings for "Meetings solely for the purpose of making a supporting nomination in the leadership contest and for essential Annual Conference business", which I think includes meetings to nominate delegates to the Annual Conference. So its only no-confidence motions they are trying to avoid, not annual conference delegates nomiation.
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Sanford posted:So who am I meant to be voting for in the NEC elections? I have zero knowledge of the candidates, and the branch meeting to discuss who's who is now cancelled, so... Go to the momentum website, they have a slate EDIT: or read the above effortpost
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Article 50 might be revocable on change of government or referendum result, depending on the legalities. For one, it would be silly for someone to win an election on a promise to not leave the EU, and then the EU tell them they have to leave because of the previous government. We'll probably end up leaving regardless, but its not a certainly once article 50 is invoked.
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Cerebral Bore posted:This is also sheer fantasy. Once article 50 is invoked anything that the U.K. does is irrelevant, because the EU sure as gently caress isn't going to let you walk it back. There isn't anything silly about this, it's simply how bilateral agreements work. You don't get to unilaterally change the rules just because you as a country change your mind. I'm sorry for taking the word of A House of Lords report on the brexit process over a stranger on the internet. Professor Wyatt, Oxford law professor and expert in EU law posted:
Whether it is a good idea is another matter, but the legalities are that its definitely an option.
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MrL_JaKiri posted:It's not, actually. It's almost like the way to have a better education system is make sure teachers are highly trained, paid well, and arn't overworked, as opposed to there being one cure-all teaching method!
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Jul 20, 2016 12:10
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Who, exactly, is the official responsible for suspending all these CLPs? And how could we replace them?
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TheRat posted:Tears, glorious tears! The labour party just made nearby 4 million pounds in three days. Thats one way to raise money, I guess.
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Spangly A posted:UKC is loving evil tbf, they refused an inflation pay rise for 3 years forcing the staff on strike, then cried about how they couldn't afford it while each of the chancellors gave themselves a £250k pay raise. They also have a scheme whereby they organise students to clean houses for minimum wage. The houses that the university is given fees to present to student renters by local estate agents. They gagged and fired all dissent during the strike, forcing the papers to print pseudo-anonymous articles by simpsons characters. I suddenly want to see a table of university prostitution rates, because that is the weirdest piece of data to collect for universities nationwide (and not exactly something that goes on league tables)
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Badger of Basra posted:Do y'all not do phonebanking in normal elections? Most activistism revolves around actually knocking on peoples doors and talking to them, since our country is actually walkable.
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Jul 21, 2016 00:05
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What exactly a "Trigger ballot" is is'nt actually defined anywhere in Labour's legal documents or paperwork anywhere, so no-one is actually sure what that process is. It might just be a vote in the CLP (which is good for those CLP's whose membership wants to throw out their MP: eg Eagle)
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Jul 24, 2016 16:35
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More importantly: to call a GE requires revoking the FTPA or a vote of no confidence, and there is only one week of parliamentary business before the leadership election is over, due to the summer and conference recesses. Revoking needs to go through the Lords, so can't happen in a week, and calling no confidence on your own government for the sake of a early GE looks really weird and takes two weeks from the vote to fire anyways. So: she can't actually call one until after party conference season even if she tried thanks to FTPA.
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Pissflaps posted:I'm not clear on the Labour de/reselection process but does it depend upon a general election to be called for it to happen? Yes, either that or boundary changes.
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Mr. Flunchy posted:Thornberry's alright. She's always good to cadge a fag from if you see her hiding out round the back of hustings/surgeries etc. Speaking from experience, I presume?
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Ocrassus posted:So the education minister is considering bringing back grammar schools. Yay child segregation! To be fair, the current system already leads to child segregation between those who can afford to move into areas with good schools and those who don't have the ability to move and stick with local inner city schools.
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Ocrassus posted:The problem with grammar schools and the general segregation of schoolchildren (including private schools) is that it insulates them into a bubble. Why should academic kids only share space with other academic kids? Set streaming can help with catering to different abilities, but ultimately kids from all different backgrounds and abilities should intermingle. The issue I've always had with the comprehensive system, beyond the fact private schools exist, is that schoolchildren are segregated anyways by middle-class parents moving to good suburbian schools and commuting a bit further to work while working-class parents who can't afford to move or commute far are stuck in city schools. Comprehensives may have been created to prevent segregation but just perpetuate geographical segregation of the classes (also another factor in the house price bubble)
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' rather than 'oh gee every school seems to have vast facilities and teaching staff to support its students'.
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waffle posted:Just got back from the Southampton Test CLP nomination meeting, 64-54 Corbyn! Excellent, closer than I thought but I'm not dissapointed from missing the meeting at least.
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Based on the strongly biased applause patterns, I'm pretty sure nobody went into that room without knowing who they were voting for, and the speakers had no effect.
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El Grillo posted:Thought they could request meetings to vote on specific things, if it's exceptional circumstances? Maybe this doesn't count though. They did, and the regional branch office told them to gently caress off. The guy I was talking to about it is a progress member aswell, and he's pissed about it
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