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Mahoning posted:Dean and Ellison aren't equally good. Howard Dean's time is over....Ellison is the clear choice. I hope he seeks Dean's advice on what did and didn't work with regards to the 50-state strategy, but I don't want more establishment types in leadership positions in the DNC. Yep, Howard Dean is 67 now and Keith Ellison is 53. If Keith Ellison ends up being a good leader, we could get a solid block of continuity from him. And I wish a few posters in this thread would stop calling all rural people racist. Yes, they tend to have less exposure to minorities and are susceptible to racist rhetoric. But that doesn't mean they can't be reached. Rural voters don't have good schools, they don't have job prospects, and there's a heroine epidemic ravaging them. Every black voter isn't perfect when it comes to every issue. Every Latino voter isn't perfect when it comes to every issue. But we don't ignore them, we always work to raise them up because it is the right thing to do. Helping rural people is also the right thing to do, and helping people even if they hate you is the right thing to do. If we concede to the right wing media bubble at the start, we'll never win the fight.
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One of our bigger challenges as Democrats is going to be convincing white, affluent democratic voters to throw the rest of the party a bone when it comes to the economic issues. There were a lot of white women who voted for Clinton and were super energized to have their first woman president who are either feeling like they have to stand up and fight or that the country has no hope for them and sexism is the only reason for Clinton's loss.
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Nov 14, 2016 17:19
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Radish posted:Obama spent his time trying to bargain with Republicans, listening to Rahm Emanuel, trying to trade away long term safety nets for short term promises of keeping the government running, and left everyone at the mercy of the banks that crashed the economy. He may not have had any more success with the GOP congress if he had tried to do anything more leftist but I bet more people would have been enthused to keep supporting him as opposed to seeing him immediately become just like every other boring Democrat after being elected. It's not like playing along got him anywhere. Sure didn't help when the Democratic Party kept trying to distance themselves from him during mid-terms, trying to win over Republican voters who show up in the mid terms instead of focusing on getting their own voters out to the polls.
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Nov 15, 2016 17:34
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The placement of the presidents behind Obama is too much. I love how the guy obviously hates Kennedy, but realizes people love him as a martyr so we get a Kennedy that is kind of mad at Obama but not really. Then you have FDR back there clapping, like that is a bad thing. Nixon also gets a closer placement to Obama lurking there in the background!
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Nov 15, 2016 17:39
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Donald Trump can teach all the centrist Democrats a lesson beyond handing their rear end to them. You don't get social and economic justice by capitulating from the beginning, setting small goals and slowly working towards them. You get social and economic justice by dreaming big, setting yuuuuuuge goals and demanding others give you concessions. If they try and smear you, deny deny deny and keep working towards your big goals. Don't try and say "well actually I'm not a socialist I'm a democrat blah blah blah nuanced argument that nobody gives a poo poo about" Say "yeah, your bosses would say that poo poo because they want to keep loving you in the rear end. You own that poo poo like the deplorables and tea partiers did and don't give up an inch until you're in full control.
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Nov 15, 2016 18:07
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Main Paineframe posted:Given that Donnie Trump started making concessions and compromises the instant he was elected, I wouldn't be so quick to come to this conclusion. Save the "Donald Trump's guide for how to accomplish social change" until he tries actually putting those policies of his into action. Well the Republicans (and Trump) are surely going to come out of this with more control over the national agenda than Obama and Clinton so I think it worked out pretty well no matter what they actually get to do. Business Gorillas posted:Reminder that she was so deep in the hugbox her campaign thought that starting a moral crusade against a loving cartoon frog was a good use of her time if anything Clinton legitimized the alt-right and made it more powerful than ever before. comingafteryouall fucked around with this message at 18:24 on Nov 15, 2016 |
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Nov 15, 2016 18:22
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Monaghan posted:I really don't care about if sanders would have won, but I do care about the dems actually learning the right lessons from the defeat.  And we need to acknowledge that everyone hates politics, and the low approval ratings of Congress aren't only because of Republicans being obstructionists. It's corruption and money flowing to both parties.
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Nov 15, 2016 18:54
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Lightning Knight posted:Christianity was on both sides of the slavery and segregation issues, remember. White preachers wrote and spoke on elaborate screeds about how interracial marriage and integration were evil and unsupervised, free black people were dangerous and would not learn proper white Christianity. Remember the part of the VP debate where Tim Kaine and Mike Pence got into the biblical quotes? That was when Tim Kaine was at his best, and he really should have used that part of his identity more.
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Nov 15, 2016 21:19
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If we could find some Jesuit Latino candidates that would be pretty awesome. I want some straight up Latin America leftist flavor in our politics Uh oh, the finger on the monkey paw just curled and it turns out we also got the civil wars and oppressive far-right regimes with the leftist politics.
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Nov 15, 2016 21:30
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botany posted:The point, my friend, is that it's nonsense to pretend Dems can't win elections without catering to white supremacists. If the Dems hadn't run literally the least likeable D candidate in the history of polling, or if they had focussed on States like PA and MI instead of assuming those were in the bag anyway, we'd be looking at at least a generation of SC judges, all without making racists feel like they're welcome. This is probably true, but progressives can tell that we can have more influence at this point than any in recent history so we're going to pretend that isn't true. Plus, a presidential victory without congress isn't really a victory.
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Nov 15, 2016 21:32
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Al-Saqr posted:Really America? A national registry? Really ?? You're really going allow them to place the groundwork for an actual nazi style registry and database? Really? Hey, Trump isn't even in office yet give it some time.
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Nov 16, 2016 20:38
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Al-Saqr posted:I'm talking about shitbags like David Horowitz. Jewish conservatives have been OK with the apartheid state in Israel for a while now. No big shock that they think the model could work in the USA, too.
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Nov 16, 2016 20:44
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Politics are normally run by people with guns. The USA has been an outlier for a while now.
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Nov 17, 2016 15:31
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greatn posted:Please put all bad text in bold and all good text in italics Fixed that for you. In other news, any Trump supporter that works at a University or College is a self-defeating moron! http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/17/us/is-it-safe-foreign-students-consider-college-in-donald-trumps-us.html
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Nov 17, 2016 15:36
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Tight Booty Shorts posted:Behind a pay wall, would you kindly post the juicy bits quote:Aman Kumar, 18, who is looking at universities in California, said, “In his campaign, he’s discriminating against Muslim and other brown and black people,” adding, “I’m thinking of applying to Canada.”
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Nov 17, 2016 15:41
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mcmagic posted:All the while decimating his party at every level. Republicans are smart and deeply understood that their constituents would never trust a black man. So they took their time, quietly tunneling underneath the democrats, waiting for the perfect moment to set off the TNT and make the party collapse in on itself.
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Nov 17, 2016 22:26
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disjoe posted:poo poo the world is going to flood. No humans should be allowed on the ark tbh. We hosed this up and now we need to atone.
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Nov 18, 2016 02:10
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Maybe letting all the conspiracy theorists run the government for 4 years is a good idea, as long as we survive them. They realize their theories are stupid and STFU afterwards.
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Nov 18, 2016 03:56
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gohmak posted:You forgot how republicans usher in an era of sweeping gun control in response. And they are going to have to be more specific when he talks about cops bombing a black neighborhood. You talking about Tulsa in 1920s or Philadelphia in the 1980s? Or the South in for ... ever?
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Nov 18, 2016 05:00
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Chomskyan posted:This is the most pathetic hair splitting. When Sanders criticized Clinton, and Obama he was criticizing the leaders of a nominally left wing party that were utterly failing to care for the people who depended on them. His olive branch to Trump is a desperate attempt to make the best of a horrible situation. Just gently caress off already I totally see the appeal in the tea party labeling everyone as RINOs now.
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Nov 18, 2016 05:06
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Well, I guess we're going to learn if BLM's diffuse structure was a good idea or bad idea now that the administration will obviously be gunning for them. Will the Trump admin be unable to shut them down since they don't have clear nationwide leaders to target, or will they take the route of jailing everyone?
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Nov 18, 2016 15:27
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Salt Fish posted:Things I learned from the 2016 election: 6) liberals hate the rural poor good list though
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Nov 19, 2016 03:26
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Crowsbeak posted:A lot do though. I wasn't kidding. My liberal friends on FB will get all worked up about women's issues or racism. But if you ask them to support rural people that have real lovely lives... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKmRkS1os7k
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Nov 19, 2016 03:30
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:solutions to women's issues (legalize abortion, let women sue for wage discrimination) and racism (VRA, criminal justice reform) are known, it's just a matter of getting the political system on board Yeah, good point. I have friends that have escaped rural communities to live in cities, and they don't even think about going back to help, even if they're involved in politics. Once you've moved to the city, the problems of racism and sexism remain a daily part of your life while the problems of rural America aren't. If you're a capable person growing up in a rural area, you're probably moving to the city for the opportunities there. Just a bad situation all around. Crowsbeak posted:Didn't know if you were serious my bad.
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Nov 19, 2016 03:41
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cheese posted:Since Trump's views on women are firmly medieval, then I can only imagine he sees himself as some 16th century Duke whose biological sons are pampered dandies unfit to rule, forced to marry his beautiful daughter off to a son-figure worthy of succeeding him on the throne. Trump wouldn't be wrong about his sons being unfit to do anything, they're terrible. Probably has something to do with their father being narcissistic. The success of the Trump administration will hinge on whether he's willing to go through with programs that poll very poorly or not. The wall, slashing medicare or social security, and the war on drugs all poll poorly but they are all things Republican politicians still love.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:22
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AKA Pseudonym posted:I'm seeing a lot of "Trump is a puppet master and his Hamilton Tweets are why we aren't paitently dissecting his infrastructure plan" hot takes and it's really stupid. Yeah, Trump connected with millions of Americans because he argues about politics in the exact same way millions of Americans do. Through the lens of insanely trite and stupid events that signify a culture war. He's not some puppet master, he's just your dumbass Republican friends who get upset about Starbucks with actual power.
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Nov 19, 2016 18:31
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If Trump found out the government had been using false flag attacks for years he would just start to plant his own. Heck, he will probably plant his own anyway.
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Nov 21, 2016 05:00
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Hey, the Berlin wall worked so our wall is going to work too because we're America and we can build a wall better than those Krauts.
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Nov 22, 2016 02:35
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Maybe the media would have covered more issues if they hadn't had EMAILS to fall back on repeatedly.
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Nov 22, 2016 16:48
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FAUXTON posted:2008 was basically "these guys suck" though. It helped to have a nice economic meltdown to illustrate the point but a large amount of Obama's campaign was "these guys suck, let's throw them all out." That is not the part of the 2008 campaign anyone remembers. It was Hope and Change.
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Nov 22, 2016 16:50
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Oxxidation posted:I'm going to have to take up drinking at this rate, I can't live with this kind of constant looming loving terror. As a fellow new teetotaler, just stay straight edge and be ready to bash some fash man. And I can't believe Falwell could actually head the Department of Education. I feel like we should get a University President's strike or something cause that is hosed up.
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Nov 23, 2016 04:19
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Fojar38 posted:Barack Obama is actually cool and good. to poop on. j/k Obama please don't abandon the party, but also let us out from the shackles of your corporate masters, thanks.
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Nov 23, 2016 05:12
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Business Gorillas posted:Yup that's exactly why people didn't like dws lol So I was looking at the careers of previous DNC chairs, I wanted to see if this excuse about someone holding office had any merit to it. The examples I found of people who held office while being DNC Chairpeople were DWS and Tim Kaine. Before them, I didn't see anyone else who had held office while being DNC Chair (I didn't look at every name, and looked back at 1944 as the earliest). They oversaw the elections of 2010, 2012, 2014, 2016. So uh, maybe there is something to be said for someone doing the DNC Chair work full time. Historically, it hasn't really been a politician, it has been someone who has worked behind the scenes. Doctor Butts posted:Democrats looking to sweep those midterms, what with you guys telling other liberals to gently caress off. We should listen to Obama without any doubt in our hearts, seeing as how the Democrats have controlled Congress and state legislatures for the past 6 years. comingafteryouall fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Nov 23, 2016 |
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Nov 23, 2016 06:29
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Pollyanna posted:If nothing else, the recount sure is bothering the hell out of Trump. The simplest explanation would be Trump legitimately believes the Infowars stuff about voter fraud. A devious explanation would be Trump knows he can exploit concerns of election fraud to pressure more state governments to require voter ID.
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Nov 28, 2016 13:36
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greatn posted:Oklahoma or Ohio state? Ohio State
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Nov 28, 2016 16:54
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My Linux Rig posted:Agreed, I would think most of the people who voted for Trump just don't realize how bad the problem is. If someone were to explain it to them in a non-confrontational way, it may actually convince people that the problem is worse than they realize. gently caress you, I can be non confrontational. Just don't try and argue with people on FB or try to own them with zingers and you can talk with people.
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Nov 28, 2016 17:45
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kelvron posted:Reports of the Obama administration floating another couple of names. People are more concerned about the whole knowing how to win elections part. Perez is cool and good and maybe he can rig up a grassroot driven political machine but Ellison is shown to win in an area where Democrats need to get back on their feet. With that said our last couple of DNC chairs were also elected officials and sucked rear end so maybe Perez would be a good pick.
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Nov 28, 2016 20:31
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So the Smokey Mountain National Park is super on fire right now. A very strange drought has caused a lot of the surrounding area to be susceptible to fires when I can't remember the last time one happened. And the area just overwhelmingly voted for the climate change denier.
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Nov 29, 2016 05:48
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lol at people asking, hey Corey Booker is a copy of Obama why do the left hate him? Hmmm, look at what Obama's administration has wrought and you will have the answer to that question.
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HorseRenoir posted:This is mostly because he's from Newark, and the financial industry is one of the few things keeping that city afloat. IIRC his support of charter schools also stems from Newark Public Schools being total garbage as well Oh that makes it all A-OK... NOT. Still beholden to them and would do the same thing Obama did if he was faced with another bailout type situation. We can't let that happen again. I'd say there's a somewhat compelling argument for the bank bailout leading to Trump's election.
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