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So, what now? Are we really gonna see the progress of the last 8 years undone? Is this really going to go as bad as we thought?
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Star Man posted:No, the left's just going to cannibalize itself and the Republicans are going to march onward for longer than they should. I just want somebody to tell me things will be okay. Failing that, what we can do to make them okay. But, if it's too early for this, I understand. All I can do is hope, for now. But I am far from powerless, as are the rest of us. I'll do my part to make things better, to make us great, not just our country. Progressivism hasn't lost yet. We can still keep things rolling. I just don't know how.
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Nov 9, 2016 11:13
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This is actually gonna happen, isn't it? poo poo's hitting the fan, isn't it? Oh, god.
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Nov 9, 2016 11:54
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Nelson Mandingo posted:Presidential elections happen. lovely candidates get in. Donald Trump isn't the first, and he won't be the last. Time has a way of erasing problems of the day. In 10 years we're gonna look back on this day and find things are pretty wildly different. I hope SA is still around in that time, because I hope this post gets archived. It's not about the candidate. It's about the shitsuckers that latch on.
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Nov 9, 2016 13:32
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John_A_Tallon posted:Humanity's been in worse spots. Remember that if things become really intolerable, there are remedies that the founding fathers themselves expected the population to be able to enact. This isn't worth getting depressed over. This is only the case if the people in power don't proceed to totally gut these so-called remedies. I don't put it past Trump, Pence and the GOP to do that.
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Nov 9, 2016 14:08
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Radish posted:As I said in the election threat I've been here long enough :gibson: to remember the 2004 election and that went down pretty much the same way will initially people in the thread being stoked as polls were favorable and slowly realizing the Democrats were hosed while cling to states that might save Kerry as the night went on. The Hillary hype was pretty real and it sucks that it turned out to be a bust. Pollsters are real hosed since they were all pretty much way off. No idea how they work from here on out. You've been through this before. Will things be okay?
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Nov 9, 2016 17:37
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Glazier posted:Lets also be clear here, most if not all of the ire at LGBT people is going to hit Trans people. Sure there will probably be another anti-gay hate crime in a rural area that gains national attention, but that was going to happen anyway. What's going to suck is the entire power of the Federal and GOP controlled governments coming down on trans people, especially trans POC. Cool. I'm going to loving die.
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Nov 9, 2016 18:40
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So what I'm getting at is there's nothing left to be done and we're getting at least 4 years of Trumpsanity. Trump, Pence, and Rudy are all in positions of power and will exercise it as they see fit since the Senate is GOP controlled. That's it then? They won? Pence outlaws abortion and gay marriage, Rudy does...whatever he does, and Dorito Benito gets to feel all smug? The worst part about this is his supporters are emboldened and shittier than ever. They've been vindicated, and are now very dangerous. The government won't even call them out as such, they'll be supported. Jesus.
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Nov 9, 2016 19:54
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corn in the bible posted:Also: many people are upset because Clinton's loss means bad changes for them. That's fair and they are right to be upset but I don't think a platform of STATUS QUO has ever been particularly attractive to people not directly benefitting from preserving it. The status quo was "no queerbashing and better abortion rights, progressivism on the up 'n up". Now the VP wants me dead. The status quo was better.
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Nov 9, 2016 20:16
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I'm worried about Pence. He has the power to undo all the LGBT and women's rights advances made in the past few years, and nothing can stop him from it. I'm scared that we'll go back to the 80s and hate crimes will rise. Someone please tell me I'm wrong.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:45
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GreyjoyBastard posted:As long as Ginsberg is on the bench we have a firewall against the very worst - the five justices that gave us mandatory gay marriage are still there. Lightning Knight posted:Depending on SC outcomes it'll be farther back than the '80s. Oh, god.
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Nov 9, 2016 21:57
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Is there nothing we can do to stop Pence?
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Nov 9, 2016 22:04
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On Terra Firma posted:Pray for trump's health. He can still gently caress things up as VP.
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Nov 9, 2016 22:14
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Is there any popular support at all for the poo poo Pence wants to gut that can get the GOP to back off? Protests? Recall elections?
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Nov 9, 2016 22:49
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Lightning Knight posted:A crushing 2018 defeat. Getting pretty deep into the Bargaining phase here. 
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Nov 9, 2016 22:52
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Lightning Knight posted:I've not once been hyperbolic about how utterly hosed we are. I mean myself.
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Nov 9, 2016 23:07
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Crowsbeak posted:Whie a few of Trump supporters could be peeled, what we really need to do is bring back the ten million non voters who use to vote democrat. Yes they should have voted, but thats beyond the point. If they had voted we'd have had a landslide and the goal should be figuring out what kept them from voting for Clinton. People thought high early voting numbers meant a huge turnout. Turns out, it just moved the numbers around meaninglessly.
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Nov 10, 2016 01:11
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I'm past the depression and bargaining stages, for now. I'm ready for action. What can we do to stave off Trump and Pence's lovely policies? Is there a battle plan anywhere?
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Nov 10, 2016 01:12
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JawKnee posted:Could you go into more depth about how 'more charisma' would help? (I'll point out, ahead of time, that I am not an American) You really need to ask this when Trump of all motherfuckers just won? 
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Nov 10, 2016 01:13
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So happy to see protests everywhere. Someone should come up with a tool to integrate policy, laws, elections, etc. into peoples' daily lives. It'll keep people engaged.
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Nov 10, 2016 02:21
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:After all this stuff in the US and Europe you seriously suggest more direct democracy as a great way forward? Fuckin' something, I don't know.
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Nov 10, 2016 02:23
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via posted:A complete reorganization of the national Democrats, firing of every one of the top 50 people in the DNC, and an end to appeasement of the GOP. I say we start a Socialist party.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:12
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corn in the bible posted:btw democrats will never win another election again We're going to see a new party system come out of all this. Mark my words.
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Kilroy posted:
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starting a new party brb
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I just hope the Trump administration crashes and burns, hard. It certainly doesn't look prepared.
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Nov 10, 2016 04:57
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Republicans posted:My biggest fear is he'll be a boring rubber stamp for congress, letting them do all the work while he funnels as much government money into his businesses as his creativity will allow. Then he'll be re-elected because the democrats have nobody to run in 2020. Letting Congress and Pence run the show is DEFCON 1. It will literally kill people like me. It's the doomsday scenario and it better not loving happen. Unfortunately, it looks like that's where it's headed. 
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Nov 10, 2016 05:05
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Ahhhh gently caress I just remembered the people he's appointing. loving Gingrich, Giuliani, Arpaio, and Palin. What the gently caress.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:08
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Quick Draw McGraw posted:What are people like you I'm trans. Pence is Pence. That should tell you everything.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:09
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So what I'm getting at is that for things to get better we need to somehow court minorities and blue collar whites at the same time and get them to play nice and that sounds pretty loving impossible, I'm sorry.
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Nov 10, 2016 05:29
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Race, gender, and status were used by the establishment as a way to rile up voters and get them to vote their way. We've all been hoodwinked.
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How much power does Pence have to overturn Obama's Planned Parenthood, bathroom protections, etc? How do we prevent that from happening?
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Nov 10, 2016 18:15
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WampaLord posted:I think I'm checking out from keeping up with politics for a while. I used to pride myself on staying well informed, I don't see the point anymore, at least not for the immediate future. I wish I could do this. But I can't check out of it. Taking care of myself necessarily means being involved. If I don't fight, I will be in danger.
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Listen, the old system of Republicans vs. Democrats being the driving force behind politics in our country has revealed itself to be bullshit. The fact is, both urban and rural, liberal and conservative voters are being hosed over by the establishment. They're playing us against each other to their own benefit. We need to realize that we're divided horizontally (-), not vertically (|), and that things are just never going to be the same now.
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negromancer posted:They won't and everyone knows it. They support states rights when it benefits them, and vice versa. They'll become the fed.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:33
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sit on my Facebook posted:I'm quite sure voter suppression had a probably measurable effect but yeah, dems just didn't show. Suppression didn't take a 10% chunk off 2012's total Dems didn't show because the people that usually voted D in the "lock" states were not supported or spoken to by Hillary and the DNC. That's what let Trump take them over.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:52
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sit on my Facebook posted:The democratic party from top to bottom is responsible for this. They're bad at winning elections, the only reason we've had the presidency for these eight years is 1) Bush was Bush and 2) Obama's generationally unique charisma and savvy. The first step in fixing the problems we just elected is a complete shake down of the DNC Again, Dems lost the vote because people didn't believe in them, and because the DNC never spoke to them or actually cared. We're about to see a new system of who-versus-who.
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Nov 10, 2016 20:54
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El Pollo Blanco posted:Assuming Pence gets his wish and a conservative Supreme Court overturns roe v wade, it'll be up to the states to decide Pence won't stop there. He will try and ban it outright, such that not even states can overturn it.
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Nov 11, 2016 04:10
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mcvey posted:DNC overestimated the intelligence of the American people. The DNC overestimated their own intelligence. They lost their own loving lock states.
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Nov 11, 2016 14:46
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What I've seen as a result of this election is that he core issue is that urban and rural voters are suffering from the same thing, the establishment using them for their own profit, yet they are understandably pissed at each other over race and class. Healing this rift is going t be tough without also legitimizing racism and bigotry, and I don't know how to do it, unfortunately.
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greatn posted:People need to stop thinking of either social justice or economic issues taking a back seat. This is a wide rear end car, they can all sit in the front. Basically, this. They are, ultimately, the same thing.
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