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Petr posted:<Bernie> Democrats are too centrist! Please don't ask me about abortion rights. You: Why can't those dumb anti-abortion voters see they're voting against their own interests based on a single issue? Also You: Bernie isn't a true progressive because I don't think he's sufficiently pure on an issue.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Didn't AHCA pass by one vote? Would it pass reconciliation having lost a vote? Doubtful. If the GOP wanted to they could have whipped one more yea rather than let someone have cover for 2018.
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Jun 14, 2017 20:41
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evilweasel posted:That would violate the 1st amendment. Not really. Reasonable restrictions to speech are commonplace. An obvious parallel would be prohibitions on electioneering near polling locations. Simply change distance to time. I'd love to see public financing of elections but am pretty pessimistic that billionaires would let it fly.
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Jun 15, 2017 02:11
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Throwing Turtles posted:Ben Sasse is my age which means he's full of poo poo. Also the kids he could remember getting spanked would be in their thirties now. it's interesting to find a guy who may be a worse parent than Donald Trump.
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Jun 15, 2017 20:13
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The Glumslinger posted:Becuase it should be reposted at every oppurtunity Wife's been reading Franken's new book, and apparently it's got a nice large chapter devoted to Ted. It's prefaced by calling Ted a sociopath.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:51
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fsif posted:https://twitter.com/AriMelber/status/875467534480420865 He's really leaning into this "Trump's just new at everything, has no idea anything he does is dumb or illegal" strategy.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:52
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remusclaw posted:He's very good. Narrator: He's not.
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Jun 15, 2017 22:59
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Jun 15, 2017 23:26
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Toaster Beef posted:Fun fact: The people who actually stand in the room and make sure nobody tries to gently caress with the Declaration of Independence are very, very patient when you bring up National Treasure. then I'd hold out my hat for tips and donations cause I'm broke as gently caress Nick Cage. LaserShark posted:I am continually surprised how little someone who has spent so much time on television and caring about his image knows about how optics work.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:18
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Conway speaks on Fox and Friends she doesn't realize that she's indicting herself with that statement way more than twitter.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:20
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business hammocks posted:Why would Alex Jones threaten to release more audio and not just do it? Is he trying to blackmail NBC or something? Attention.
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Jun 16, 2017 17:52
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nerdz posted:This move hurts his hotel competitors real bad, actually. Marriott in particular Isn't that like a softball over the middle of the plate for an emoluments lawsuit? Like, clear harm to a competitor to benefit the office holder?
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Jun 16, 2017 20:00
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skylined! posted:Gonna guess the two: do I have to pick different people? Cause if so I'm quitting.
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Jun 17, 2017 00:34
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LaserShark posted:That's... that's some Axis of Evil poo poo right there. Am I wrong here? US and Russia building reactors for the Saudis, who then give the Russians guns? That's getting back into Bad Spy Novel territory. I mean, if by "bad spy novel" you mean "pretty much on par with Iran Contra" then sure.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:44
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Burt Buckle posted:I've heard many of my very left-leaning friends describe Bush as dumb but charming in the wake of the Trump presidency. People forgot what an unmitigated disaster Dubya's presidency was. When he's retired, he's just a guy painting his feet and shying away from limelight. Lots easier to not hate the second guy than the first.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:48
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Until Trump kills more people than the Iraq War he's still a better president than Dubya. A lot of people (especially centrist dems) don't really count Iraq against him though because they supported the war. To them it was just bad intelligence. Oops. I think "better president" is a really hard metric to use. Trump is such a weird loving president inasmuch as he doesn't know what the Presidency actally is. It's hard for him to be better or worse than most other presidents because he's not playing the same role as they did. I guess the fact he's worse AT presidenting makes him the better president over GWB, because he's too incompetent to enact his own agenda. I'd argue if he can actually get the AHCA passed through and signed that'd make him worse than GWB because it'll certainly kill more Americans in the long run than GWB did.
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Jun 19, 2017 22:53
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Here's a better comparison between GWB and Trump. Bush  Trump 
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Jun 19, 2017 22:57
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Nazzadan posted:Bush sent thousands of Americans to their deaths in undeeded conflict overseas. Trump tweets like a retard and has a handful of deaths that can loosely be attributed to him and his cabinet and a healthcare reform that hasn't even been voted on yet. It's a good thing there are no intangible costs you're throwing away in favor of a single metric.
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Jun 19, 2017 23:05
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Party Plane Jones posted:https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/876966271216218112 Jesus, and I was annoyed at navy medical losing my vaccination records 8 months after getting a full schedule and making me get them all again. Yikes.
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Jun 20, 2017 02:17
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Paracaidas posted:Speaking of former Trumpers... I'm so amped for the race to turn cooperating witness between him and manafort. or race to escape the US, that's the other game manafort might play.
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Jun 20, 2017 03:43
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crime fighting hog posted:How often does he talk about people on welfare while using the word "bootstraps"? he'll talk about her bootstrapping her way into heaven at her eulogy.
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Jun 22, 2017 00:05
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:So I assume Heller is fully onboard this poo poo show? *Hems and haws, votes yes*
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Jun 22, 2017 19:12
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moostaffa posted:"saved". They'll just remove MORE poo poo and he'll vote for it. At this point why are they leaving anything unstripped? McConnell might as well just force the "moderate" hands and make it as draconian as he literally can under reconciliation rules.
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Jun 22, 2017 19:13
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If there's one thing americans hate, it's popular and catchy sloguns like "medicare for all". We better stick with "affordable care act but with certain substantial improvements along vectors likely to decrease overall costs while maintaining a consistent standard of care"
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Jun 22, 2017 22:47
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Relentlessboredomm posted:If Trump winning in the same cycle that an old Jewish socialist almost knocked off Hilary didn't convince you all that this country is desperate for different kinds of politics I don't know what will. just need to find the right PR team to craft the perfect message to reach those millenials!
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Jun 22, 2017 23:07
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Petr posted:Al Franken was on the Blabbermouth podcast and apparently they asked him if he's going to run. Haven't listened to it yet though. He said no, which is the only sane answer a person can give at this point in time. RE: relatability Americans who COULD be convinced to vote for Democrats but usually don't voted for Trump because they want someone who can scream at stuff convincingly Obama could. Bernie could. trump could. Hillary couldn't.
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Jun 23, 2017 00:07
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Pander posted:He said no, which is the only sane answer a person can give at this point in time. I want a Democratic candidate who repeatedly yells two things over and over again 1 Medicare for all 2 Trump is a lying sack of poo poo and the GOP are a bunch of enabling cowards. Stop with the nuance stop with the "see my website for my stances!" Just loving make volume and be angry. It's the only way to beat Trump.
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Jun 23, 2017 00:09
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Petr posted:I'd love to vote for Al Franken, but there is a TON of oppo on stuff he's said in the past before his political career. The first election he won by the skin of his teeth was incredibly negative, with people calling him a rapist and stuff. yeah, really what sunk obama was all that oppo about jeremiah wright, the choom gang, saul alinsky, his nefarious chicago connections, to say NOTHING of his madrassa upbringing as a kenyan muslim terrorist! that oppo stuff sure is killer
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Jun 23, 2017 00:44
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Jaxyon posted:I don't think Franken plays well against a trump, he's not really charismatic. I'm just saying that Trump Holding On Desperately To Office is going to plumb some new depths. Who'd play better against Trump? All Duckworth would do is prove that there is more and it is always worse.
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Jun 23, 2017 00:46
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FizFashizzle posted:Did that big tick tick thing not drop today? Apparently not. Wittes did say could be dropped Monday. Not quite at louise mensch level of bullshit promises.
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Jun 24, 2017 01:15
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business hammocks posted:They're just ghouls who only care about winning. Yeah. I'd hesitate ascribing devious stratagems beyond "our party is strong, let's destroy entitlements and gently caress the consequences, our enemy is weak and can't stop us now or in the future". It's pretty much a conservative blitzkrieg, and the question is whether the Democrats/liberals are 1940 France and fold or 1942 Russia and holding strong/counter-attacking.
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Jun 26, 2017 00:04
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spunkshui posted:Its just such a big leap from "I know that dudes good looking" to getting any amount of erection. In a choice between binding themselves to a specific sexuality or not doing so, why would that leap matter? If there's a gray area at all, doesn't it make sense to avoid labeling yourself until you've had enough life experience to definitively know (if that ever comes anyway)? Maybe the acceptance of non-binary sexuality thinking allows a more considered approach to this than in generations past where you were either normal or a fag.
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Jun 26, 2017 00:07
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The horribleness of the AHCA being a net positive for the forces of good is a pretty apt metaphor for 2017 thus far. Unrelated: I really hope that Carter Page mehfest isn't the Wittes-leak. I wanted to have some fun with Chris and Rachel tonight 
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Jun 26, 2017 22:58
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Skippy Granola posted:If you don't want insurance then you can't have insurance for 6 months? Yes, the "Ha ha you helped crash the market by letting your insurance lapse because it was too expensive when you were healthy and then went bankrupt after an unexpected illness you couldn't wait 6 months to treat" amendment. A winner, that one.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:23
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No Safe Word posted:If you don't have insurance for ~2 months in the previous year, you can't get insurance for 6 months. It's your fault if anything bad happens to you. By the way, I'm going to ensure bad things happen to you.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:24
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Skippy Granola posted:Is it typical for Americans to go uninsured and then try to get insurance once they get sick or injured? It wouldn't have ever been possible before the passage of the ACA. I haven't been aware of the changes since the ACA went into effect, but I'd imagine it's a fractionally small frequency.
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Jun 26, 2017 23:26
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There Bias Two posted:At least he seems to be a principled idiot. If he's so worried about consumer premium's going up, what's his loving solution to that problem? Cause a clean repeal of ACA doesn't really seem like it'll work out in that regard. E: evilweasel posted:i dunno, none of that seems principled, it seems much more like "i would rather keep running against obamacare than have people running against me for passing trumpcare" yeah that. the tea party true believers subsist on never actually passing anything meaningful. Them doing something means The Government Is Doing Something which defeats the whole purpose of the Tea Party.
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Jun 27, 2017 00:54
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evilweasel posted:sure it will, then insurance will be very very cheap since the only people who can buy it are young and healthy oh yeah, forgot about that wrinkle because I made the non-monstrous assumption that pre-existing conditions would never be removed. Ha ha how stupid and non-monstrous of me
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Jun 27, 2017 00:57
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twice burned ice posted:If it's seriously looking like this thing won't get a yea on a motion to proceed, Democrats should vote to proceed. Yes, let's tempt fate by pushing the Republican party all-in on a bad option. That's never backfired.
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twice burned ice posted:This is a fair point. But it still needs to pass the House and there's no way this thing can survive another round of voting with the CBO score hanging around its neck.
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