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Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

Election Day could be a mandatory holiday with a polling station at the end of every single block and we still wouldn't get close to 80% turnout. It just doesn't happen.
With those stipulations there's still a chance I wouldn't be able to vote, for instance. My shifts are up to 16 hours long and getting a 20m break during that just to eat can sometimes be a challenge. And mandatory holidays mean dick for tons of professions. Only way I can have my voting rights secured is at-will mail-in or early voting. I used vacation time to ensure I'd be off to vote for Hillary.

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Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

RuanGacho posted:

Recently an intern, whom has never actually fired a gun told the entire dept. that he could hit a target spot on at 1000 clicks. His training was call of duty.
Does he not know what a klick is, or does he not know how far a km is?

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

ReidRansom posted:

Really though what's wrong with Qatar? Aside from the slavery thing. I've been to Doha, it was alright. And Qatar Airways is tits. They run AJ and it's always been pretty solid. What's the beef all of a sudden?
"Aside from that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show?"

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011
They're essentially the only statements we get from the White House, so...yes?

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Retro42 posted:

Wait, so the pitch is that we are going to privatize ATC and long lines at the airport will go away?

How does that even make sense?
Magic of the free market, bro.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

TildeATH posted:

Yeah I feel like ATCs show up disproportionately. Like, masons.
I feel like its because they work fairly well, all things considered, and we can't have an example of working government running around.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

evilweasel posted:

the proposal is a non-profit
So's my hospital system, but that doesn't stop it from raking in a shitton of excess revenue that vanishes into the ether.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Mulva posted:

If it makes you feel better you have no understanding of how the government works, which makes you exactly as informed as Donald Trump about all of this.
That makes me feel quite a bit worse, honestly.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Al Borland Corp. posted:

As much as I have no sympathy for the victim here, it's really dumb to "call" the ideology of the shooter. This forum does it every time and is usually wrong.
They were pretty loving on target with Dylan Roof and that fucker who shot George Tiller, though.

sean10mm posted:

The last time a member of Congress was shot it didn't change anything so why the breathless panic now?

Other than murder being bad in general that is.
We're all resigned to every shooting involving a Democrat being perpetuated by a lone wolf with no discernible motivations besides insanity but assume that there'd be a huge backlash against shootings involving other victims and/or perpetrators.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Boon posted:

That piece of poo poo better be identified as a Trump voter with diabetes and no job who loves the outdoors.
"Radical environmentalist shoots Rep. Scalise"

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

skylined! posted:

sure would be something to see the gop vote against a bill crafted to protect people from gun violence, motivated by a gop member becoming a victim of gun violence
"I literally got shot and I still think the 2nd Amendment should be preserved because I'm manly and brave" -Scalise's immediate and obvious response.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Alter Ego posted:

This doesn't tally at all with what MSNBC was saying earlier--that he was in stable condition and in good spirits.
"Stably critical" is a totally possible state, because "critical" can mean multiple things and "stable" doesn't mean what a lot of people use it as. Dead people are stable.

e:

Hobo Clown posted:

Is it normal for hospitals to just straight up tweet out how their patients are doing? I get this is newsworthy but always thought there was a layer of health privacy expected.
They would have needed permission to do so.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Sir Tonk posted:

This seems low...
Presumably the people who voted "no" also include people who'd much rather Obama be president but think the precedent of going back to letting presidents have more than two terms wouldn't be worth it.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

The problem is it's so loving bad that anything you say which describes it accurately gets met with either "it can't really be that bad you must be a partisan" equivocation, or " technically it's not genocide" semantic quibbling.
Right. Its worse than (iirc) Ryan's tax plans which people just refused to believe were that vile, and people remember that "death panels" weren't a think so if you start screaming about "telling grandma die in the street" they'll think you're just doing the same thing the GOP did over the ACA.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

BarbarianElephant posted:

But then Grandma dies in the street and maybe they will exercise that neglected grey matter and remember it at the polls.
Maybe, but too late for grandma and a whole fuckton of people. :smith:

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Shimrra Jamaane posted:

It's just beyond my understanding how the republicans are being so blatant about loving over old people. Usually its all about wrecking the future for the young but this time they seem to want to actively hurt their own voting base. Do they just not care anymore?
This is easily the most scared I've been about our political process. Like, this bill has almost no approval (thank god) and yet, the GOP remains convinced enough of their invulnerability that they might pass it anyway. Either they think they won't suffer electoral consequences or they won't care because they know that they'll be rewarded sufficiently after they leave office. Either way, this bill makes me scared instead of mad. The cornerstone behind our government has been that the elected representatives are at least nominally subject to the approval of their voters, and the weakness of that mechanism is showing through in an incredibly troubling way.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

FourLeaf posted:

The Atlantic recently posted an article about how the AHCA could lead to an economic recession by cutting thousands of jobs in the healthcare sector. How likely is it that a recession would occur? I consider the Atlantic a generally reliable source, but it just seems so insanely suicidal to me that the GOP would do this so I'm holding out some desperate hope.
I haven't done the math, but given how reliant hospitals are on Medicare/Medicaid funding, a huge slash there is going to hurt them, badly.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Same Great Paste posted:

Honest question : what's stopping trump from pardoning junior on this, letting him go ahead and rack up all the contempt and perjury charges in the universe, then just continually pardoning those?

In practice, nothing, but that would be so egregious that I believe even McCain would​ step beyond "seriously concerned" and actually vote to impeach.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Old James posted:

How the hell do people justify this?
"They entered the contract to slavishly venerate the Company willingly, what's the problem?" -idiots

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

TheScott2K posted:

It's really bizarre how "pay people more" isn't even on the table as an option for so many companies.
My hospital system keeps whining about how there is a nursing shortage in our area, despite there being an excess of nursing schools. The idea that maybe we'd keep staff longer, and attract more students straight out of school, or even people from outside the region, if we paid more seems to have skipped people entirely. Especially since their excuse is "we pay the regional standard" completely skipping the fact that they're basically a local monopoly and thus define that standard. Fuckers. Anyone, ever, crying about an impending nursing shortage is an idiot. There are enough nurses. There aren't enough nurses willing to work for your poo poo wages.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

coyo7e posted:

Lemme guess: you're a vet, and you've got :awesome: problems

Your attitude isn't especially conducive to my wanting to pay for you to go breed.
Quit being an rear end in a top hat.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

coyo7e posted:

Here's an irony: PTSD is an acquired mental health problem. That means it could have been avoided, bubt now we all have to pay for it anyway.
Well poo poo, son, lets just never cover anything with risk factors in that case.

coyo7e posted:

I'll rescind my lovely opinion when vets (and the voters and politicians who "support the troops") stop having lovely opinions about non-vets, about homosexuals, about minorities, and trans people...
You're an rear end in a top hat. lovely people deserve healthcare, because everyone deserves healthcare.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

coyo7e posted:

There's a vet I see almost every day on the way to work, he's morbidly obese, wears nothing but t-shirts with eagles, flags, and slogans about killing ragheads on them, and he ALWAYS wears a hat that says something along the lines of "badly maladjusted veteran- STAY THE gently caress AWAY!"

Yeah, that guy needs viagra... But I am glad he defended MUH FREEDUMB
Who gives a gently caress. He should get healthcare, including viagra if necessary, regardless of any actions.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

coyo7e posted:

I realize it - it's just that nobody else saw the intentional juxtaposition for what it was. Oh well, it's really entertaining to see people flip the heck out over viagra prescriptions for an entitled class of citizenry, while people are literally dying from lack of access to basic health services, or being told that they cannot have the healthcare they need and want - because some shitheads want to deny them that basic right.

No, you're just being a vindictive rear end in a top hat who thinks they're trying to make a point, as if the same posters "flipping the heck out" over viagra aren't also the ones flipping out over the people literally dying. Nobody here, at all, is saying that people should be denied access to basic health services while simultaneously supporting viagra for vets. You're the only one advocating a restriction of healthcare. If you want to make your lovely point, go make it at Congress.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

uninterrupted posted:

lol that you have to phrase the death and mayhem the US military inflicts on the rest of the world in the most abstract way possible to make this argument work.

Everyone who has join americas military has made the conscious decision that murdering innocent people overseas is worth a possible marginal increase in their standard of living. If their dicks get hosed up that's on them.

Crazy idea; maybe if we don't chemically remove the side affects of eternal war the wars will be a bit shorter!
So, what, you want to regulate MDs so they can't prescribe appropriate treatments for their patients because you think their patients aren't worthy of receiving care?

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Mechafunkzilla posted:

Is it? In my experience, the way you actually make prejudiced people less prejudiced is by engaging with them with empathy and patience, exposing them to diverse populations, and leading by example. Public shaming accomplishes none of these things, though I do think it makes people more defensive and insular.

And in the meantime, what're all of the women and racial minorities who have to work with this guy knowing what he believes supposed to do?

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

CroatianAlzheimers posted:

You spelled Bloomfield wrong.
Both are pretty cool places guys, it's ok. :)

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Jaxyon posted:

Oh yeah because leftists can't be misogynist at all

I'm leftist as gently caress but a non-zero portion of Bernie supporters were absolutely sexist. Men in leftist movements are often really sexist but you can never talk to them about it because "no we're not, we're leftists"
Or racist. Trying to tell some leftists they're being racist is a loving pain in the rear end and I frankly don't know how PoC leftists even put up with it as much as they do.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Brave New World posted:

Looting happens during every single urban hurricane, even while the rain is falling. It's not hyperbole, it's not racism, and it's not some Redneck Zombie Apocalypse Fantasy™.
Sure, but I don't trust the word of the "Cajun navy" to be able to differentiate between RPG random encounter "looters" and people desperate for evacuation, given that the police still think that close proximity to excess melanin is fatal. Maybe it actually was people trying to kill them and take their boats, maybe it wasn't, but given that one plays into a pretty common cultural narrative, I'm going to be skeptical.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

coyo7e posted:

I've been teargassed before because I happened to be playing pool at a bar in the wrong place at the wrong time. gently caress you.
And I watched cops lock doors to dorms, order students to return to their dorms, then teargassed them for "refusing" to disperse. The media happily went with that narrative despite there being no black masks anywhere to be seen and the students being mostly a mass of people who showed up to gawk at small groups of demonstrators protesting the riot police. Oh, and the students who stayed in (different) dorms to gawk from their windows? Gassed.

Showing up while not looking for a fight won't do poo poo if the other side does show up looking to break some faces. The Nazis can show up "not looking for a fight" because the police are generally on their side, and they get their message across not by threatening people with torches (though that helps), but by reminding minorities that there are a lot of them and that in the morning, they'll go back to their desk job as a manager or HR person or banker and gently caress with you that way, too.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Piell posted:

Why don't the police just handle it, anyway? Why would schools be doing this in the first place?
To avoid it showing up on criminal reports related to the school, so the school can report minimal campus rapes and then the campus looks safter.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Deified Data posted:

Cruz will wisely never address this.

Their actual response is a "we got hacked" tweet.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

mcmagic posted:

We aren't getting "real and good" change now. Trump won't even acknowledge a deal...
Then literally nothing was lost and he's losing tons of support from his last few bastions for even considering it.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

LITERALLY MY FETISH posted:

When I was in jury selection for a case involving a cop indicted with kid diddling, the defense attorney's line of questioning to every prospective juror was "Do you believe police should be held to a higher standard than everyone else" and if you said "Yes" you got dismissed. From my time interning and sitting in on jury selections (and being selected for one) the biggest issue you have in making a jury for a jury trial is each lawyers' ability to dismiss a number of people without cause. It lets you do really lovely things with jury selection, especially once you get the professional jury selection firms that tell the lawyers through mathematical models which jurors they should be auto dismissing and which they should be going for.

The system itself unintentionally (and in a lot of additional ways intentionally) works to protect police in many many ways.
I mean, what happens if you just lie about poo poo like this?

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011
That's the flag of a Soviet nuclear weapons research lab or military unit, iirc.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

If we're talking about juggalos, someone post that loving ICP magnets video

Well, how do magnets work? :colbert:

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Number of brides in a given area.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Willo567 posted:

I swear, this North Korea poo poo just makes me so loving angry.

Like, every night, I worry about what might happen to Guam, South Korea or Japan

Nobody ever would have guessed.

Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Discendo Vox posted:

US Hospitals usually are required to have backup generator systems. I don't know any of the details or context for what would have transpired at an ICU in PR.
Reminder that in Katrina, Memorial Medical lost its backup generators as well, because (iirc) they were in the basement. Backup generators need fuel and to be functional, so they're not completely infallible. After Katrina, a ton of hospitals had to move or improve their backups, but I have no idea what the required on-site fuel storage options are, or unexpected consequences of not being able to get fuel in. I also know that when my hospital is running on backup generators, not everything is fully usable, though everything essential is. But that's during a completely normal, routine generator test without undue stress on the system, like a massive hurricane stretching resource lines, impairing staffing, and increasing the patient population. A large part of why hospitals function is that they regularly discharge patients to rehab facilities and home. Can you do that during a hurricane?

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Ravenfood
Nov 4, 2011

Moist von Lipwig posted:

Care to fill us in on what those factors were? I'm really interested to know where this information came from.
Same. All I know is that every patient on a ventilator needs either power or a person at the bedside manually giving them breaths to, well, breathe. If you got clever you could maybe move two patients close enough together that one person could breathe for a few extra people, if their oxygen need wasn't bad and they didn't have many other issues. Without power or a ton of manpower, ICUs in a hospital without power are going to have a very bad time.

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