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FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Arturo Ui posted:

This is right. Hayes is pretty clearly a leftist but plays a liberal on TV as you can't be a real leftist and have a prime time news show. Rachel has only been reporting on Russia for months and frequently skirts conspiracy theory territory

I lost a lot of esteem for her because of the Russia focus and also the bizarre tease about Trump's tax returns.

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FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Quorum posted:

As it turns out she was completely correct about Russia, so

Now there's certainly hard evidence, but before that had come out it had crossed the line into conspiracy mongering, and I think even Democrats had realized that and were backing off a bit.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Chilichimp posted:

Realtalk: this post is dumb as poo poo.

Ok, I'm sorry. I just thought it was better now that we have the evidence to support the Russia assertions rather than two months ago when she started off every show with breathless speculation, including implying that Putin personally ordered Trump to bomb Syria to throw off suspicion.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Chilichimp posted:

Without MSM focusing so much on Russia, do you think Donald "Rating" Trump would have fired Comey? Maybe, but I personally believe Trump fired him because Comey was upstaging him in the news.

Well, that is a good point. I never predicted he would have gotten so pissed off and overreacted that badly just to news coverage. I keep overestimating the guy despite myself.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/867480212929425408

:suicide:

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Trabisnikof posted:

Lol if you think this is the CBO scoring Ryan or McConnell want.

But will it make a difference? Time to find out!

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

B B posted:

If you think the 20% premium increase is crazy:

https://twitter.com/sarahkliff/status/867482139566145536

That's in the age group that went most heavily for Trump... it certainly seems like pure suicide for the GOP, but will they care considering they only have a few at risk Senate seats in 2018?

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Pendragon posted:

Lol if you think they aren't happy with this. It made the reconciliation limit. That's probably all they wanted.

https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/867483717887025156

Please help me understand.

edit: Oh the guy deleted? welp guess that confirms it :(

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/867486868547547136

emphasize this. Killing poor old people for tax cuts.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
I suppose once all low-skilled jobs are automated you don't technically need poor people anymore. Their only mistake was starting the extermination plan early.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/867485349173395456

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/867485767387492353

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Covok posted:

This thing will pass the Senate. Just like last time some Republicans will be given a hall pass. But Pence will laugh as he confirms the vote with his tie breaker. This is Devos 2.0.

I've been telling people that Republicans will try to kill as many people as possible while they have power. No one believed me. This bill confirms it as will it's confirmation in the Senate.

There is no filibuster. There is no hope. Republicans will retain the senate in 2018.

This is reality.

If I'm not mistaken they only have about 2 vulnerable Senate seats out of the 8 GOP seats up in 2018, so I agree that what they'll do is let the final vote be 50-50 + Pence as tiebreaker to get it passed and those two Senators can go home and say "I had concerns about the bill" and safely hang on to their seats.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Um, what?

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
If he gets charged with assault, elected, and then convicted, would he resign, thus leading to another special election?

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
HOLY poo poo

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
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FourLeaf fucked around with this message at 01:46 on Jul 20, 2017

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
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FourLeaf fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jul 20, 2017

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/869766994899468288

to be deleted soon

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
gently caress yeah, time to accelerate the oncoming climate disaster! :toot:

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

i'll do you one better

sanctions :unsmigghh:

We deserve it tbh

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Sinteres posted:

Why bother following politics if you're that fatalistic about it?

It's good to learn as much as possible about the thing that's going to kill you.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Sinteres posted:

It might have "worked" for them with Trump, but choosing extreme candidates in primaries cost Republicans a lot of winnable elections over the years. The idea that centrism is why Democrats lose is dumb.

What "extreme" candidates have they chosen?

I get the feeling you considered 2008 Candidate Obama "extreme"

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Sinteres posted:

You should probably reread what I said.

Oops, you're absolutely right, I can't read this morning :downs:

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/mikiebarb/status/869905787493249024

What is the truth?

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

I find the tweet she's responding to to be really naive. Climate change is a hopelessly polarized issue in the US, so if we leave and they make it stronger/more binding, getting back in is going to be incredibly loving difficult unless Democrats control Congress as well as the presidency.

If they make it stronger then it will most likely require authorization in the Senate as a legit treaty rather than the executive agreement Obama did to bypass Republicans. No GOPer will approve it, and as a treaty it will need a 2/3rds vote.

FourLeaf fucked around with this message at 15:09 on May 31, 2017

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

tetrapyloctomy posted:

If only withdrawing were a genetic trait, and Fred Trump had pulled out of Mary Anne.

Then we would have President Ted Cruz.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

This man controls our nukes :cripes:

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
I remember reading the theory that Iraq invaded Kuwait because Saddam misinterpreted statements the US ambassador made as tacit approval and a promise that the US wouldn't step in.

So now I'm wondering if something similar is happening here. Did Trump say something so stupid that KSA assumed this would be fine? Or more likely, he said nothing but has proven himself to be so incompetent and corrupt that they're betting he won't do anything anyway.

Joke may be on them, if the right people make a fuss about this Trump may lash out to avoid looking like he's been had. His ego is his biggest concern.

Best case scenario is this de-escalates.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/871836350709891073

I'm very shallow so my first thought about this was "I can't believe this woman's first name is Reality"

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
I mean, I seriously think the Intercept was just covering their own rear end, they can't be that loving dumb.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Leak it from an anonymized email address so the reporters you're leaking to don't know who you are. How loving hard is a blind drop? WaPo has one.

Yeah, and I thought the Intercept had one as well but jesus christ

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Spaced God posted:

Sessions is totally gonna try and give her the death penalty for espionage or some poo poo. This is gonna be an interesting first case against leakers.

I agree. Consider how brutal the Obama administration was towards leakers. Now consider how much worse the DOJ under Trump will be.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Mr Interweb posted:

Well, I don't think anyone ever expected a right-wing shithead to beg for handouts:

https://twitter.com/k_mcq/status/871783117266309122

I mean, Ayn Rand collected SocSec and Medicare after decades of railing against evil public benefit programs.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
!!!

FourLeaf fucked around with this message at 23:39 on Jun 5, 2017

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011
https://twitter.com/nycsouthpaw/status/871859950368292866

what do you think?

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

empty whippet box posted:

This seems smarter than what I generally give the Trump administration credit for.

We're not talking about the Trump administration though. We're talking about the NSA and FBI.

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Pollyanna posted:

I am actually genuinely angry about the Intercept loving over the leaker. gently caress the Intercept.

Yeah, it's incredibly disappointing, they've written many great articles :(

FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

Trabisnikof posted:

I bet you've used one of the 130+ printers or copiers marked "yes" on this list: https://www.eff.org/pages/list-printers-which-do-or-do-not-display-tracking-dots

And those are just the ones confirmed by EFF :nsa:

Holy gently caress.

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FourLeaf
Dec 2, 2011

The Glumslinger posted:

Well, Russia spearphished a shitload of voting machine companies, and may have gotten into and altered Voting registration dbs.

Oh and the Intercept completely hosed up and burned their source, who was arrested an hour after the story broke

She was arrested on Saturday.

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