Warhammer 40,000: 8th Time's the Charm

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muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

The Kingfish posted:

Also, I can't bring multiple veteran squads with different types of weapons. When I change the special weapons on one it changes the special weapons on all of them.

Report it on their github.com page

# ¿ Jun 17, 2017 15:07

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# ¿ May 1, 2024 20:31

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

TKIY posted:

Lots in this FAQ. Charging a unit with a character behind another unit is a good strategy since it can't be targeted for Overwatch.

Eh?

# ¿ Jun 18, 2017 05:41

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

TheChirurgeon posted:

Yeah I think Twig is right on this one

Agreed

# ¿ Jun 18, 2017 13:31

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

This art in the new WD

# ¿ Jun 19, 2017 00:45

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

The malanthrope really only works if there is a typo in its description. It says it affects MODELS but it should be UNITS.

# ¿ Jun 19, 2017 22:38

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Megaspam posted:

CD and CSM are different catalogs in BattleScribe. They share a keyword, but you still have to tell BS that you want them in the same detachment.

Edit your roster and add a force. BS will ask you to select a parent force. Select your existing detachment of daemons. Then add in CSM. The two forces will be separated on the screen, but selections from CD and CSM will both count towards the detachment restrictions.

Does this mean gsc can be put in a Tyranid detachment?

# ¿ Jun 20, 2017 12:54

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Master Twig posted:

Yes it does. Neophytes are a great way to get some back field shooting and objective campers. Just keep in mind that the entire detachment must be gene cult if you want to cult ambush.

Ahhh yes I just noticed that. Could be a good way to get some extra units, buy if you want ambush you gotta do a real detachment.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2017 13:37

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Yeast posted:

Someone earlier made the best argument I've heard yet for power levels. Wysywig.

In a perfect world, if you played power levels, you'd have to play 100% wysywig. Would make pickup games at local stores very straightforward.

I'll be honest I'm more inclined towards power levels because my GSC guys have a ton of hand flamers and they cost almost double the points they used to and I'm not gonna chop up arms

# ¿ Jun 22, 2017 01:13

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

General Olloth posted:

The psyker spam has been destroying my necrons. I have no idea what to do about it, playing against death guard and he has a bunch of characters I can't target just unloading and deleting units every turn. I can't kill the stuff in front of them off enough with the disgustingly resilient.

At some point players are going to figure out how to put the most mortal wounds on the table and you're not going to want to play those people at all. Hopefully GW is really the new GW and doesn't put out tons of formations or new models Etc that just destroy with mortal wounds

# ¿ Jun 22, 2017 20:39

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

So I played my first two games of 8th Edition today, a 50 PL game with my GSC and a 100 PL game with a small detachment of GSC and mostly Tyranids. Both games were against pure harlequins. Holy dang.

I brought an exocrine and lots of rending claws and stuff and thought I was hot poo poo. Unfortunately everything in that army has a 4+ invulnerable save, all the flying transports and stuff are - 1 to hit, and they can always flee from combat, then shoot you, then charge. It felt like I had zero chance.

# ¿ Jun 24, 2017 00:20

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

I quickly painted this dude for our first 50pl games

Also those scout guys look like they're wearing space marine high heels lol

Also our club put up two new battle reports, my first games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15G-7_u_Ouo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCQ74qW4U40

muggins fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Jun 26, 2017

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 01:39

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Zaphod42 posted:

I love the red/green contrast. Too much blue/orange in the world. (Now back to painting my guys blue and orange...)

Thanks m8

Dakka posted:

Dislike: the very gamey nature of the core rules. Shady pile in moves and micro management of models placement feels completely at odds with the casual new vibe. Like AoS it's fans call it tactics but I am not a fan of it.

Does anyone understand this? I've seen this criticism in a few places now

# ¿ Jun 26, 2017 23:10

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

We did an entire episode of Combined Arms Podcast on 8th edition with special guest Carl Tuttle - check it out!

https://www.podomatic.com/podcasts/combinedarms/episodes/2017-06-29T12_41_27-07_00

# ¿ Jun 29, 2017 21:30

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

So I've played four games now, two against space clowns with my GSC / tyranids, one against thousand sons with my GSC, and one against khorne space Marines with my GSC. Harlequins are insane with their special rules and invulnerable save, thousand sons are nasty with ap3 Bolters across the board, and berserkers seem near broken fighting twice in the fight phase.

Gsc doesn't really seem to have any of that, lol. Assaulting out if cult ambush is sweet but it's only happened once. I did manage to spike two Melta rolls from 20" away with a leman russ and did 22 damage to a knight in one turn. I gotta figure out what the real strategy is with gsc so I can stop getting tabled by turn four.

# ¿ Jul 2, 2017 00:52

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Master Twig posted:

Well, with the new point values, I have constructed the list I will bring to a 2000 point tournament on Saturday.

Battalion Detachment
Patriarch
Patriarch
15 Purestrain Genestealers
15 Purestrain Genestealers
20 Devourer Gaunts
15 Devourer Gaunts & 5 Fleshborer Guants
Exocrine

Spearhead Detachment
Hive Tyrant, Wings, 2x Deathspitters, Monstrous Rending Claws, Toxin Sacs
Malanthrope
Exocrine
Trygon
Trygon

The gaunts all deploy underground with the Trygons and deliver bombs of shooting. Hive Tyrant flys around and messes stuff up. Genestealers charge upfield with Patriarch Escorts. Exocrines sit back being babysat by the malanthrope to allow them to shoot at what they want, and get a bit of protection from shooting themselves. I COULD ambush the genestelears, but I think the odds of getting a bad roll on the chart could bite me hard in a few games, plus, the genestelears are useful for bubblewrapping things turn 1 to prevent turn 1 charges against my exocrines and Hive Tyrant. And with 12 units to deploy, I'm not getting to go first.

Which is one thing I've found, is that without having dedicated transports, other than Tyrannocytes, which I think are overcosted, and require to be in reserve, so you can't stick your whole army in them due to the half your army on the table rule, Tyranids struggle to come in with fewer deployments than the enemy. I've gone second in almost every game I've played. Though it honestly hasn't felt like that much of a handicap, as I also haven't lost a game with them yet. Just makes it so I'm always deploying defensively.

Also, painted up these handsome fellas yesterday.

Someone may have mentioned it but it seems like you're mixing gsc and tyranids in the same detachment, which means the GSC lose ambush. Unless I'm reading wrong

# ¿ Jul 4, 2017 00:36

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

I finished my first cult leman russ, it's been pretty bonkers but only ever hits with mm sponsons

# ¿ Jul 10, 2017 02:01

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Those reivers , the legs, it's like loving high heels or something. Ten Beyonces fighting for the emperor

Also: reading back, harlequin rules are unfun as gently caress. Running away from combat, shooting and the charging just unfun as hell. And army wide invulnerable saves, let's just ignore all the rules

# ¿ Jul 16, 2017 23:16

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

GreenMarine posted:

What's up with Necrons? Almost every kit is sold out online.

I really want an IG Manticore tank but they're out of stock online and crap painted ones on ebay are going for $70

# ¿ Jul 17, 2017 00:29

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

I don't know if this has been posted yet but loving lol

# ¿ Jul 17, 2017 16:14

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

goose willis posted:

~~Wow, that looks great! Is there a cheaper alternative? Otherwise I'll just get that~~

edit: lmao it's 22 dollars on sale on Amazon nevermind

Though if there's still a cheap/good one I'll buy it too

I dipped all my tyranids in minwax stain, it's cheap

# ¿ Jul 18, 2017 04:00

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

goose willis posted:

Which one specifically?

I believe it was this. I'd get a small jar and test on a lovely model you don't care about like a bigly aggressor

# ¿ Jul 18, 2017 04:26

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

JesusIsTehCool posted:

I don't really understand the desire to use wood stain, you have so much more control with a traditional wash. Do you just hate painting and want to do as little of it as possible to get them "done"

Back when I painted most of my tyranids GW hadn't produced a lot of washes. Even then, I don't hate painting but yes the point was to get 200 or 300 models finished before I died. I don't dip models anymore unless it's a tyranid and then I just use a lot of wash to match my old stuff. Despite the hate the web likes to throw on dipping it works well and it looks good.

I'm struggling to find some good pictures of my tyranids from my blog a lot of the old pictures got removed. You can see some of them in this battle report

https://youtu.be/HCQ74qW4U40

# ¿ Jul 18, 2017 12:59

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Safety Factor posted:

I feel like a lot of people kind of missed the point in Master of Mankind.

What is the point? Doubtful I'll read it, but I'd like to know the point.

# ¿ Jul 21, 2017 00:58

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

I finished some scout Sentinels for my GSC

# ¿ Jul 24, 2017 01:18

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

DiHK posted:

Combined Arms is good. They're young though, only 2 episodes in. And they're not just 40k but last episode was.

# ¿ Jul 29, 2017 00:54

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

I wonder how much of the overdesigned garbage aesthetic is there to try to combat recasters

# ¿ Aug 10, 2017 05:04

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Zaphod42 posted:

People get mad when we complain about chaos balance but people post like this and everybody's cool with it?

Funny thread.

No dude details are just cool and can make it easier to paint sick looking dudes. If you're not going to have much detail its also harder to justify GW's prices. Lots of people like it so its not nearly as simple as "garbage overdesigned aesthetic"; but sure just dismiss everybody who doesn't share your opinion.

Yeah I mean that's a lot of words just to say " I can't handle when people don't like the things I like". GW did an amazing job with the genestealer cult models that I love especially the trucks Etc. You can't look at that mortarion model and say it wouldn't be better and easier for all hobbyists including brand new ones who they want to target and say yeah that over designed level of detail is cool and good.

And anyway you didn't even address the point. Maybe this is already known but I feel like a lot of these dudes standing on Scrolls or fire or whatever with all the weird cuts and the sprue for how they fit together are designed to combat recasting.

# ¿ Aug 10, 2017 13:23

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

After playing against four berserker squads in rhinos as troops I'm cool with them not being troops

# ¿ Aug 12, 2017 15:35

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

The only thing that sucks about 30k is the snowflake rules that stuff like Mechanicus and the spam you see in armor, especially with 30K IG

# ¿ Nov 22, 2017 00:45

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

TKIY posted:

It's the no-win situation. They issue FAQs and adjustments and people get angry about outdating codexes.

They issue no FAQs or adjustments and people get angry about balance and typos.

The real solution is to go to a living digital ruleset but there is no money in that.

Other devs have said that books aren't really money makers anyway. Drop the price to $19.99 so players aren't so mad when their stuff immediately changes. Or make it all free and have the rules sell the models.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2017 17:32

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Corrode posted:

I suspect their accountants would disagree. They're not as good as models for obvious reasons, but they're a revenue stream that a company would be insane to give up unless it had very clear forecasting which showed dropping the price or making them free would give a better return than the current set-up.

It's definitely a shift for someone like GW, but it's working great for other companies. "free rules" is a great selling point especially when someone gets the sticker shock from walking by the line of huge $$$ boxes. Whether or not gw has business analysts to forecast that stuff I dunno. Otiose in a niche

# ¿ Nov 26, 2017 17:41

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Corrode posted:

It's a no-selling point because you don't make any sales. There's nothing wrong with it as a strategy - putting out free rules to entice people to try them in the hope that they then buy into the game is an effective way to break in - but it's not the only strategy like nerds seem to think it is. GW has giant market power and brand recognition, and in many areas it's 40k or nothing. They have no reason to give away for free what they can get people to pay £20-50 for, unless analysis shows that cutting out £x million of book sales would be rewarded with £>x million of miniature purchases by people who wanted to get involved but didn't because they didn't want to buy the books.

Yea I didn't say it's the only strategy, but certainly if you did that analysis and it showed positive is what I was talking about.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2017 22:31

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

GW does need some credit, imo. Shadespire is a tight, competitive, balanced game. So far. Probably their first really purely competitive game.

# ¿ Nov 27, 2017 00:23

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Zuul the Cat posted:

The hoops you have to jump through just to be able to purchase this model is crazy.

I can see why people buy him from Mother Russia.

The intent is to provide players with a sense of pride and accomplishment for unlocking different heroes.

# ¿ Nov 30, 2017 00:47

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

DiHK posted:

I'm an adult. I don't need to unlock achievements.

It was a joke from the recent battlefront fiasco m8

# ¿ Nov 30, 2017 01:37

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

That is mega bonkers Lolololol

# ¿ Dec 2, 2017 04:49

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Floppychop posted:

Problem is that shipping + exchange rate from the UK to the US is killer.

Nobleknightgames sells it on eBay

Heh

# ¿ Dec 6, 2017 02:29

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

Uroboros posted:

Chapter Approved kind of sealed any hopes I had of bringing a competitive list to Adepticon. I'm beholden to both the GT and Team Tournament at this point. I saw a certain someone already planned on bringing 3 Raptors to the GT, and I just don't have it in me to shell out 300+ pounds to have a shot at placing.

I'm also team captain, so I've volunteered to paint a 3x2 Display Board for our team diorama, which makes my painting time pretty tight. Since the Team Tournament is actually looking to be pretty restricted there wouldn't be a huge overlap between my GT list and TT list making painting even more tight on time.

At this point I might drop from the GT and take my Primaris guys to a more casual event, and save myself the hassle.

Is it specifically the raptor thingy or is there more about CA that turned you off of Adepticon?

It's been probably four years since I did the TT but it was way more competitive than I was expecting. We had probably half the games be fun and the other half I'd be happy with never seeing those people again.

# ¿ Dec 6, 2017 21:55

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

spacegoat posted:

Couple questions about the GSC strategems:

How does Return to the Shadows work in Matched Play? RttS says the unit redeploys at the end of the following movement phase, but MP rules say everything needs to be on the board by the end of battle round three. If I pull a unit out in round three or later are they then destroyed?

Also, does the Primus get his re-roll in addition to the 3D6 roll for Meticulous Uprising?

The first one, I suspect the stratagem ignores it. The second one yeah, he gets a reroll.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2017 00:58

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# ¿ May 1, 2024 20:31

muggins: Mar 3, 2008; I regard the death and mangling of a couple thousand toy soldiers as a small affair, a kind of morning dash

I think timed turns would work really well in Shadespire - you're trying to get thru three games for a match and someone lolly gagging would suck rear end

It could work for 40k if they streamlined stuff

# ¿ Dec 12, 2017 03:21

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