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You Am I posted:http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-10-02/toyota-and-holden-factories-to-shut-down/9008312?WT.ac=statenews_vic That's depressing. I remember reading similar things in AI about the UAW when GM were having problems a few years ago. The pure rage and sense of injustice that these people actually had good working conditions and were paid a reasonable wage was mind boggling. No consideration that maybe if they worked in a unionised industry they too could enjoy reasonable working conditions, just pure spite.
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Internet leading to a homogenisation of the right. Bolt's readers probably spend so much time exposed to Americans going off about gun rights that some of it rubs off.
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The real argument is that it doesn't matter/it's a small price to pay. e.g. https://www.billoreilly.com/b/Mass-Murder-in-Las-Vegas/851098107399788721.html
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Eventually you'll get one company monopolising the industry and it'll be just like getting Foxtel through the internet, no doubt with similar pricing and advertising.
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Pocket Billiards posted:Yes but consider what THAT republic was (going by memory here). I don't know how appropriate this comparison is. A republic of any sort isn't the goal, it's a specific type of republic. If you're not being offered what you want why would you vote for it? What was on offer was perceived as worse, or at least no better, than the status quo and was rightly rejected. There will likely be another referendum on the republic at some stage, if the 1999 one had passed we'd be stuck with it forever.
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hooman posted:Oh goooood. I can't believe these arguments still work 16 years later. On the other hand, this is what a government with nothing to offer anyone looks like.
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You can probably blame him for contributing to the fabrication of a 'problem' though.
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It's a problem in the sense that it's a problem in society generally. It's not something unique to Indigenous communities. http://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/nitv-news/article/2017/06/21/look-medias-role-nt-intervention-10-years open24hours fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Oct 5, 2017 |
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starkebn posted:I'm willing to hear your point of view on this, because I don't honestly know about it. I'll read the link later. You could make a similar program about suburbs of any city in Australia. Tony Jones has been around long enough to know how these things play out.
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Why don't we or why shouldn't we? https://emailfooter.aec.gov.au/About_AEC/Publications/voting/files/compulsory-voting.pdf
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You Am I posted:I disagree. Voting should be compulsory, in fact students at high school should be forced to sign up to the electoral roll. People should be signed up at birth/when they immigrate. That it's something you have to actively do is ridiculous.
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https://twitter.com/TradNash He doesn't seem particularly concerned about hiding it. I wonder what his supervisor thinks.
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Even if it wasn't flammable it should be banned. Buildings that use it look awful when they're brand new, I hate to think what they'll look like in another few decades.
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I wonder if Xenophon quitting is linked to the citizenship case.
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A lot more people have a license than a passport, they get updated more regularly, they're more or less essential to have. It wouldn't necessarily be a problem if we didn't have such a predictably hopeless government that will undoubtedly misuse the data. You can guarantee this will be sold of to, like, Westfield or something so they can identify you when you walk through the door target ads at you while you shop.
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Zenithe posted:How would one demonstrate their integration into Australian community. Comedy options aside, I'm genuinely interested as to what this would look like. By obeying the law. This was a reasonably interesting discussion mainly about the British citizenship test http://www.philosophy247.org/podcasts/citizenship/
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The most shocking thing is Penthouse magazine still exists.
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The Clean Energy Target looks like it would be pretty easy to corrupt and use as a mechanism to funnel money to your mates anyway. Why not just do that?
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That's the thing I don't get about the Abbott style of Liberal. You can still do nothing about climate change without telling everyone you're going to do nothing about climate change. There's just this pathological desire for belligerence and it never works out well for them.
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Sure, but only just. If they just shut up about these things maybe Turnbull wouldn't have led the party to a worse result than Tony loving Abbott.
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The guy is scum, but he's obviously highly trained scum. Spent too much time interviewing Hanson and got complacent.
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:2800 suicides is completely different from 3000 suicides. They reported the total number of suicides, not the number of LGBT suicides and certainly not the number of LGBT suicides that could be attributed to marriage law.
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It's always going to be a bigger issue at airports because of the queue. If you line up at the airport for an hour and get a $15 fare you're not going to make any money. I don't see a way around it when all the taxi drivers are competing against each other. The airport has no incentive to do anything about because it doesn't affect their profits, the taxi owners don't have any incentive to do anything about it because it doesn't affect their profits. It all falls on the driver. open24hours fucked around with this message at 05:16 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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JBP posted:Yeah but they crack the shits over a $30 fare that's a good run on the freeway. I bet you make more than $30 an hour. Cab drivers are terribly paid at the best of times, and they're already too expensive for the people who need them most.
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Senor Tron posted:If they are queuing for an hour regularly then it's probably time to give up on the airport. It's like a cafe getting angry at someone for not ordering enough food. I'm not trying to excuse them, but it's hardly surprising that they get upset about it. Ideally they'd start a union, go on strike and get better conditions.
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Now I'm wondering about the ethics of taking short trips from the airport. If you know that the cab driver will lose money on a trip is it ethical to use the law to force them to drive you? The obvious argument is if they don't like it then they shouldn't be cab drivers, but I'm not sure if it's very convincing. Presumably if they could get a better job they would have done that by now. I think the responsibility probably rests with the airport/government. If they are going to allow short fares then they should set up some sort of equalisation scheme so that drivers aren't working for free. Senor Tron posted:Not at all disputing that taxi drivers get a raw deal, but the instant you start abusing someone in a small enclosed space with you for asking for the service you specifically advertise then you deserve to lose your job. Yeah, there's no excusing that.
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iajanus posted:What's the alternative? Walking from the airport to nearby places? How far is reasonable? A shitton of buses going everywhere? I'm not sure it matters for the question. Assume there are no alternative options for transport and it's either a cab or nothing. It's not the cab driver's fault you're stuck at the airport, so is it ethical to make it their problem? Or assume there are plenty of shuttles that will make a profit and take you almost where you need to go, with a short walk at the end. Is it ethical to take a cab then? open24hours fucked around with this message at 05:57 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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iajanus posted:They are voluntarily providing an advertised service wherein they will pick you up at the airport and take you to the destination you request. It's completely ethical to expect them to do their job. It's not like you've gotten into a public bus and demanded it drive you to your house. This is a bizarre line of thinking and the only rational reason I can think of for asking along it is to plaay devil's advocate. I'm not playing devil's advocate or trying to convince anyone of anything, I just think it's an interesting question. Catching a cab is completely legal and I wouldn't seriously criticise anyone for taking advantage of the fact that they're obliged to take you wherever you want. I would probably argue that it would be unethical for them to refuse. It does raise lots of questions about what's truly voluntary and what's coerced though. open24hours fucked around with this message at 07:44 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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Senor Tron posted:On the other hand Taxi drivers have gone as far as to go on strike when airports allow other providers like Uber. They shouldn't be, the same question would apply to any trip where you know that the driver will lose money. hooman posted:The ethics of using an advertised service as advertised isn't on the consumer it's on the employer. Is that a defensible position? Like, if you know that an employer is exploiting their employees don't you have some responsibility to avoid using that particular service? Or at least to try? open24hours fucked around with this message at 06:11 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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iajanus posted:If the taxi lobby wants to implement some short-distance charges or similar they're well within their rights to do so - they're a powerful lobby group and can do what they like. If their employees and employers don't agree then that's their business, not mine. hooman posted:Depends on whether you think using any consumer electronics is also unethical.
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hooman posted:The answer you have to console yourself with is "it's irrelevant because there's gently caress all I can do about it". Yeah, I agree that's what it ultimately comes down to. I still think it's useful to discuss these things though, particularly as it can help to inform your decision as to who to vote for.
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Cartoon posted:"a person who expresses a contentious opinion in order to provoke debate or test the strength of the opposing arguments." I didn't express an opinion, I asked a question. If that's the definition you're going for then anyone who engages in any form of debate is playing devil's advocate. [EDIT: Now that I think about it, it's pretty reasonable to conclude this, but the way the term is used around here usually implies some sort of value judgement.] open24hours fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Oct 10, 2017 |
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MikeJF posted:Escalate to the university ethics committee, pronto. If it's something that's seriously bothering you, do this.
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Turnbull was way into that before he decided he'd rather be a puppet. It appeals to conservatives because they interpret 'nudging' to mean things like putting people on income management.
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StudlyCaps posted:If it's an option though, shopping ethically is better than nothing, right? What does shopping ethically mean? The supply chain for many modern goods is so complex that it's essentially impossible for a normal person to know if a given product is ethical or not.
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StudlyCaps posted:That's true, for what little difference it makes though shopping at an IGA at least seems better than Coles or Woolies. I think you could probably make reasonable arguments either way. Some people might argue that you should shop wherever's cheapest so you have more left over to donate to people with nothing.
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StudlyCaps posted:Different topic, has ABC News' site always had comments sections on all their articles? I never remember seeing them a little bit a go but now every article seems to have them. The ABC is tabloid-y now. Just look at their article on allowing comments. http://www.abc.net.au/news/about/backstory/digital/2017-09-07/comments-abc-news-audience-engagement/8878604
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They did that when they shut down shortwave but it didn't get much traction. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jan/27/bill-shorten-calls-on-turnbull-to-save-shortwave-radio-broadcasts-in-nt
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