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It looks pretty bad OP When does Toriyama confirm Rey’s power level officially because the series and manga disagree Also lmao of course the new walkers are BIGGER AND BADDER than the old ones
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Jivjov is the resident star war thread cinnamon roll he doesn’t hurt anyone he’s just the personification of the sort of fan we all were when we were 15 No need for anyone to be a dick
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Oct 10, 2017 03:45
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PostNouveau posted:Trailer looks good. I bet the movie will be good too, like TFA and Rogue One and unlike the prequels which were loving trash. get a load of this guy thread
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Oct 10, 2017 03:59
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Sentinel Red posted:Probably because the guy is recalling it wrong and they aren't actually direct companion scenes at all - the scene with Threepio being turned off is long after the asteroid chase sequence, when they've left the asteroid field and are chilling out unseen on the back of the Star Destroyer. "Shut him up or shut him down"
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Oct 16, 2017 17:10
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The MSJ posted:Laura Dern's character 
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Oct 19, 2017 16:51
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Snooze Cruise posted:They are too long to really be called efficient. And also full of pretty gross jokes And also they're rhetorically bad They're bad
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Dec 12, 2017 03:52
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Jiro posted:It was efficiency in saying to refer to the reviews than saying they were efficient themselves. starts video literally hours later "...and then i have a woman in my rape dungeon! lmao PIZZA ROLLS HIS FACE"
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Dec 12, 2017 03:57
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Jiro posted:I'm sorry you apparently fell asleep during them? I guess? you've now spent like 5 posts not-explaining how the rape joke videos corroborate your opinion instead of using those posts to be like, "this is what i do or do not like about the star wars prequels (episodes 1-3)"
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Dec 12, 2017 04:00
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Jiro posted:You've also had a guy thanking me for not repeating well known Plinkett quotes again that's apparently been repeated before many times over. Isn't it better to talk about movies yourself instead of saying "you should watch this video to hear what I think this movie"? That's what I'm getting at What's the point of going, "oh, me? my thoughts? um, well this video that's not mine does the trick! I won't elaborate"
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Dec 12, 2017 04:40
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I regretted the digital rental charge for Whedon's 'Much Ado About Nothing' within 3 minutes
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Dec 14, 2017 18:07
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Well Manicured Man posted:Reflecting more on TLJ, I feel really bad for Finn. I think it's even worse than that in TFA. In TFA he could have saved the Republic fleet and probably hundreds of thousands (or millions/billions) if he had told BB8, Han and Poe about the Death Star immediately. He doesn't, and the Resistance loses. In essence you could edit Finn out of both movies with nothing lost. It's a huge bummer because Boyega is awesome
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Dec 16, 2017 22:03
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Al Borland Corp. posted:What's the deal with the RT audience score? Just review bombing by people trying to "trigger libs", or just a bit disconnect between what audiences and critics like, as is the case with The Orville (opposite direction on that one)? It could be that people...didn't like the movie? There was a sort of palpable weirdness in my theater during a couple moments; it's certainly not everyone's bag Plus I wouldn't be too hasty to jump on the triggering wagon, plenty of folks in this thread seem to be getting their kicks out of people not liking this movie
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Dec 16, 2017 22:19
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Mahoning posted:I mentioned it in the other thread, but a Stormtrooper rebellion/uprising led by Finn would be an interesting end to his arc. I keep thinking that for Episode 9 you have the #Resistance, as a last grasp, go hat-in-hand to some sort of Droid planet. A droid Coruscant or something and offering total emancipation Kyle and the First Order taken out by Battledroids would be the sickest poo poo imaginable. Hell, make it Droids, Clones and other enslaved people they find; a freedmans planet. Finn ties in nicely with that
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Dec 16, 2017 22:35
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Attorney at Funk posted:Earlier in the movie there's shots that establish that powerful psychic connections can transmit physical objects - the water on their hands, for instance. I liked the visual of the sparks falling in Kylo's room evoking the rain where Rey is That was a nice touch
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Dec 17, 2017 01:58
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I said come in! posted:Just got back from my 2nd viewing. Even better then the first. I think the best way to summarize the Last Jedi is that Rian Johnson destroys Star Wars, and in doing so he creates the best Star Wars movie. 12 Ways 'The Last Jedi' DESTROYS Star Wars by making the BEST Star Wars...
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Dec 17, 2017 03:24
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nurabsal posted:Anecdotally, I'd say this movie is bombing with exactly the right people. I don't know who you're specifically referring to but my gun loving, Trump voting, Minion-meme reposting aunt posted a FB status saying she hated it and ther we 10 comments agreeing with her Anecdote isn't evidence of course, but hey
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Dec 17, 2017 04:57
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Neurolimal posted:the chat was never about him being a great teacher, so idk what your point is here Is your perspective that being an intellectual requires only ever running a church? are all priests intellectuals?
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Dec 17, 2017 19:37
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Neurolimal posted:My perspective is that farmers can become intellectuals, and Luke takes up the role of being one of the representatives of old intellectuals in TLJ. You took away from his borderline contempt for Rey at first that he was positioning himself as some sort of great master? His "lessons" were almost ironic What made you think he was an intellectual? He intended to burn his own books CODChimera posted:So do these CD threads tend to get better or worse as time goes on? What do you mean by "better" and "worse"?
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Dec 17, 2017 19:52
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Mulva posted:Seriously why does this mean so much to you? He's manifestly a bad leader, as he leads two more stupid ops in the movie. His "redemption" is in realizing how stupid his final suicide attack is and calling it off, and even then he still loses like half the people he sent out. He's not good at his job. It's like there's nothing unclear about it in the movie, he's not good at the job. As has been said, the most unrealistic part of this movie is why he wasn't shot in the face for treason. The difficulty in these discussions is that you’re talking about, like, reading the movie as if it were just a script, as if what you’re watching is a documentary of real events that have happened The movie shows us that Poe is an incredibly talented pilot whose attack on the dreadnaught is successful insofar as it stops the resistance fleet from being killed.
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Dec 18, 2017 00:16
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Hobo Clown posted:Oh yeah? Well how do you explain the Hayden Christensen ghost in ROTJ?? Ask yourself who died in Return of the Jedi, Darth Vader or Anakin Skywalker
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Dec 18, 2017 16:03
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Hobo Clown posted:Been a while since I've seen ESB but aren't they the same dude? They are not
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Dec 18, 2017 16:08
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PostNouveau posted:It's astounding that Hux survives 5 minutes of Kylo's administration. It's a military organization; whoever's next in line will do what you tell him. Choke that bitch out before he starts plotting to overthrow you. I loved how Hux was going to kill Kylo much like Luke was, but his hesitation didn't come from a place of moral panic and self loathing like Luke's, but from a place of "this guy can accomplish our goals" Hux is great
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Dec 18, 2017 17:40
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Timeless Appeal posted:The one thing that breaks down the "It's an Empire/Jedi" remix is the lack of an analogue for Jabba's palace. But then I realized the casino is the analogue for Jabba's palace. The key difference is that it has the Arab harem/seedy jazz bar elements are replaced with white people stereotypes. Which part of the Canto Bight sequence was an indictment of white people? Which countries in the real world are the largest concentrations of conspicuous consumption? Which country has the most lucrative horse races? You're making comparisons based upon things that the film does not show you
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Dec 18, 2017 17:46
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Davros1 posted:Well, ships as small as the Falcon don't have cloaking devices. Larger one, presumably do, if that one Imperial is to be believed. We don't ever see a cloaked vessel in any Star War film. Piett is utterly perplexed about where the falcon went because no one can see it anymore and he says that small ships can't have cloaking devices. If you give any poo poo (you likely shouldn't for any discussion about the movies themselves), any mentions or appearances of cloaking devices in Rebels, Clone Wars and the comics are Klingon Bird of Prey style full on visual cloaks
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Dec 18, 2017 21:47
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Cnut the Great posted:How is Rey going to learn to be a full Jedi now? It's something that's supposed to take years of intense study, training, and hard work. Now there's no one left to teach her and all the texts are gone. But Rey doesn't need those because books are useless and ancient wisdom is retarded? The shot was as quick as can be, but she has the books, they're on the Falcon, and presumably Yoda burned the tree for Luke so Luke wouldn't found out she got them
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Dec 18, 2017 22:38
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Cnut the Great posted:Yeah, except it's not, because what the Jedi represent is something good and noble and worth preserving: The idea that those who find themselves possessed of power have a responsibility to selflessly devote themselves to serving and protecting others, and maintaining the balance between good and evil, without attempting to assert their will on the universe, and letting people live freely to make their own choices. That's what it means to be a Jedi. The prequel Jedi failed to live up to those ideals, and the OT is about Luke reclaiming the true Jedi identity. I'm totally with you on this take. The Yoda and Luke conversation is incredibly strange in light of Rey keeping the books. It's in many ways a very confused movie
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Dec 18, 2017 23:25
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Lord Hydronium posted:This movie is going to be the best for sassy reaction gifs. I forsee "Amazing. Every word of what you just said is wrong." and "It's salt." getting a lot of use in this thread. itssalt.gif will be a goddamn gif legend
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Dec 19, 2017 01:21
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Sanguinia posted:After spending some time looking outside this thread for reactions to this movie, I wish I hadn't. The number of people in various places around the internet who have decided that this movie is Disney destroying Star Wars in general and Luke Skywalker in particular as part of a Orwellian plot to brainwash the white male race and all successful businessfolk into submitting to slavery at the hands of corporations (which are not run by businessmen I guess?), governments and minorities/women is really disturbing and kind of scary Honestly movie chat outside of CD is a goddamn trash fire garbage pile
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Dec 19, 2017 01:42
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Hiro Protagonist posted:I'm trying to decide whether or not TLJ will be the opposite of TFA in terms of fan reception, that is, that it will get a lot of poo poo initially but will slowly build acceptance as time goes on. It clearly tries to do the opposite of TFA in many things, but I don't know if that indicates it will have to opposite affect. It is the first star war film since RotS that has interesting things to discuss beyond the plot level so I think it will take longer for the standard cycle of this thread to resume
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Dec 19, 2017 05:51
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business hammocks posted:Why did they call them laser swords in this one? Is there a no-saying-zombie-in-a-zombie-movie rule in effect? He was quoting his dad
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Dec 19, 2017 14:10
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Electric Bugaloo posted:Ah yep, the good old days when everyone just got to be way more terrible behind closed doors or within the confines of their town and you never heard or talked about it. Good times, those. Not to quibble with ya but Luke doesn't say "laser sword" or "lightsaber" in ANH. Obi-Wan says, "your father's lightsaber. this is the weapon of a Jedi Knight. Not as clumsy or random as a blaster. An elegant weapon, for a more civilized age" Luke watched the prequels while on Ach To
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Dec 19, 2017 15:19
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euphronius posted:Rose actually bothers to free the slaves. Take that Qui Gon!! They are promptly re-enslaved because Rose not only didn’t overturn the systemic issues but is unwilling to even allow allies to do what’s necessary in the fight to do so *sad trombone sound*
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Dec 19, 2017 22:34
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Cnut the Great posted:Long Cnut Post Yeah even though I liked TLJ I think you're spot on here. My immediate impression on walking out of the movie was that Rian Johnson had "Power Rangers Fan-Filmed" Star Wars. Y'all remember that Youtube video like, a long while back that was a super serious take on Power Rangers? It went pretty viral, I think for a lot of the same reasons some people who like TFA like it: to their eyes, Star Wars finally "caught up" with pop culture in age and that is seen as a good thing Seriously though, if any of you who liked TLJ's deconstructions are into that sort of thing, revisit the prequels with an open mind; they do a lot of really lovely and interesting things but from within the Lucas-ian Star Wars world
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Dec 20, 2017 15:22
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Arist posted:I feel like this is kind of a misread of why people like this movie, especially in regards to the Power Rangers thing. Not *everyone* who likes it likes it because of that--or maybe even knows that they do, that's not what I'm suggesting. But there's an undercurrent in the reviews of Last Jedi on some of the more contemporary online platforms that is an odd mix of liking star wars and simultaneously hating it?? I can see this is getting away from me a bit; I don't think the movie is serious, my analogy to the Power Rangers thing is that it brought in Power Rangers imagery into a new world with new rules, and I feel like TLJ does that.
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Dec 20, 2017 15:36
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business hammocks posted:Star Wars (the original) is a weird fusion of grungy 70s looks and escapism that is very much out of step with new hollywood and late 70s despair and cynicism. I know some people (Jameson, Linda Hutcheon) put its retread of old genres (westerns, science fiction serials, Kurosawa) in the postmodern camp, but to me it seems like a bunch of nerds just wanting to do the stuff their nerd obsessions are built around. My wife played this for me last night: Tom Shales' review of Star Wars for All Things Considered back in 1977 http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2015/12/14/star-wars I love it because reading reviews of the OG movie gives us a fascinating look into how it was perceived, thematically Tom Shales posted:“It’s a complete science fiction fantasy with absolutely no redeeming moral values or moralistic values either.” So I think you're right on the nose that it was outside of the "mainstream" late 70s cinema attitudes, especially given Stamberg's question essentially being, "it's not one THOSE sci fi films is it?" In that light, it's fascinating to see praise for TLJ now 40 years later for essentially being of the zeitgeist instead of outside of it. Not that I think this praise is bad, but the contrast is what I'm noting
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Dec 20, 2017 17:02
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PT6A posted:"I was not alive for the political context in which the movie was created and to which it referred, ergo I do not believe it exists in a political context." I don't disagree, but since hearing that 'All Things Considered' review I posted earlier I've been reading reviews of ANH from 1977 and there's nary a mention of the politics of the movie from the critics. In fact, there's not much discussion of narratives beyond things like: Charles Chalpin of the LA Times posted:...The mythic and simple world of the good guys vs. the bad guys (identifiable without a scorecard or footnotes), the rustlers and the land grabbers, the old generation saving the young with a last heroic gesture which drives home the messages of courage and conviction. There's a theme in these reviews that hit upon things like hope, optimism and fantasy escapism of a positive, reaffirming type that I think contrasts with the take that it was somehow read as a political movie to its contemporaries. Yes, art exists almost directly as a function of ideology and politics, and it certainly reflects the sensibilities of the times (and of the creator), and yes, ANH--and Star Wars in general--I think, is at its best when viewed through the allegorical lens of insurgency. In fact, one of the things I think is most fascinating is the difference in technology and tone and visual language we have for insurgencies today compared to, say 1977. For instance, the rebels are now suicide bombers. Anywho my point is that it's a bit disingenuous to think that people in 1977 saw Star Wars as an overtly political film the way that some people in 2017 seem to think TLJ is
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Dec 20, 2017 18:10
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euphronius posted:The empire are space nazis my man. i agree
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Dec 20, 2017 18:14
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business hammocks posted:People keep saying this, but the movie is made out of World War II dogfight scenes and the bad guys are dressed like nazis, and the good guys don’t use guerrilla tactics. And everybody’s white and the good guys are American while the bad guys are foreign. It’s possible that George Lucas has insane, impossible-to-realize good ideas that he can’t realize very effectively, like a thinner Dan Akroyd. The editor of Apocalypse Now said, of George Lucas (emphasis mine) Walter Murch posted:Originally George Lucas was going to direct (‘Apocalypse Now’), so it was a project that George and John (Milius) developed for Zoetrope. That was back in 1969. Then when Warner Brothers cancelled the funding for Zoetrope, the project was abandoned for a while. After the success of ‘American Graffiti’ in 1973, George wanted to revive it, but it was still too hot a topic, the war was still on, and nobody wanted to finance something like that. So George considered his options: What did he really want to say in ‘Apocalypse Now?’ The message boiled down to the ability of a small group of people to defeat a gigantic power simply by the force of their convictions. And he decided, All right, if it’s politically too hot as a contemporary subject, I’ll put the essence of the story in outer space and make it happen in a galaxy long ago and far away. The rebel group were the North Vietnamese, and the Empire was the United States. And if you have ‘the force,’ no matter how small you are, you can defeat the overwhelmingly big power. ‘Star Wars’ is George’s transubstantiated version of ‘Apocalypse Now.’ I think ANH realizes this idea very well
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Dec 20, 2017 18:20
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euphronius posted:That's a political comment the movie is making. Nazis are evil. What are you disagreeing with me about Euphronius? Do you think that I do not think that Star Wars is political?
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euphronius posted:You said ANH wasn't overtly political. are you kidding me? like, no kidding, did you read my post? the whole idea is that after reading a ton of reviews of ANH I said that the reviews at the time did not hit upon the movie's ideology and politics Waffles Inc. posted:There's a theme in these reviews that hit upon things like hope, optimism and fantasy escapism of a positive, reaffirming type that I think contrasts with the take that it was somehow read as a political movie to its contemporaries. like why be disingenuous about my point? c'mon now
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