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Oct 21, 2011


Truga posted:

i'm a dumbass slovenian, and for us the language is extremely central to culture

in past we were under this or that german/italian empire almost 100% of the time, and i very much doubt there's any slovenians who have a clean slav lineage, so language is literally the only reason the national/ethnic identities even exist. it's an extremely powerful political tool, and gets used and abused all the time lmao

deffo that

imho the thing with Ukraine though is that while nationalism is a force that inclines naturally to reactionary effect, it seems that the case there is that reaction itself is more important than the Ukrainian people, the culture or language. in my limited perspective and knowledge, it feels that this has more to do with reacting against the socialist value of internationalism which, at worst case, was badly upheld in many situations by the USSR, but still was upheld. It comes back to the point that a large majority in all countries involved (except Estonia and Lithuania iirc because they were exempt?) wanted the Union to continue. A cultural platform that is practical only in the sense of "opposing Russians" is not one that makes a country, particularly more so in these times

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Oct 21, 2011


Ferrinus posted:

i'm always torn between blaming the fall of the ussr barely/not at all on gorbachev because explaining history through the actions of important individuals is liberalism, and massively/entirely on gorbachev because he just sucks so bad

gorbie was incredibly bad, immensely so, to the level he is the best point in favor of Trotsky's argument about bureaucratic degeneration imho hahaha

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Oct 21, 2011


Ardennes posted:

Btw China is coming out with its own currency (e-yuan) that isn’t going to require mining and I doubt they are actually supporting bitcoiners (since it is a way around capital controls). If anything bitcoiners are moving to Iran for both cheaper electricity and to get the government off their rear end.

Btw Bitcoiners were using off the grid electrical power sources as much as possible in the PRC since local governments were tracing power usage. The reason mining is so popular is 1: there is an obvious bubble and 2: it is an easy way to get money out of the country without paying taxes.

number 2 cannot be overstated enough

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Oct 21, 2011


indigi posted:

honestly China's refusal to do anything about bitcoin is a reason I doubt their commitment to transitioning to socialism

I've seen an interesting argument that China basically keep tabs in order to see whether is worth or not having a presence that can exploit the vulnerabilities in the blockchain

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Oct 21, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

The poverty line only amounting to little over 2 bucks a day would be a better own on China if it wasn't for the small detail that the West can't even hurdle that benchmark either

so let's flip this one with something the entire West fawned over when it happened here: bolsa-família, one of Lula's major programs of social aid back when he was president, gives today a value of R$190, or 34.49 US dollars in today's exchange rate, per month.

yet,

Os Efeitos do Programa Bolsa Família sobre a Pobreza e a Desigualdade: um balanço dos primeiros quinze anos posted:

The goal of the study is to evaluate the targeting of the Bolsa Família Programme and its impacts on the reduction of poverty and inequality. To that end, we have used data from the 2001-2015 standard National Household Sample Survey (Pesquisa Nacional por Amostra de Domicílios – PNAD) and from the 2016 and the 2017 longitudinal PNAD. The results support the findings of previous studies. Bolsa Família is by far the most progressive transfer ever enacted by the federal government. Its excellent targeting explains why, despite its small budget (0.5 per cent of GDP) and its limited representation in household income as reflected by PNAD (0.7 per cent), the programme has such a significant impact on poverty reduction: its transfers reduce poverty by 15 per cent and extreme poverty by 25 per cent. Dynamic decompositions of the Gini coefficient suggest that the programme was responsible for the 10 per cent of the reduction in inequality between 2001 and 2015. From 2001 to 2006 (the period during which the programme grew most significantly), Bolsa Família accounted for almost 17 per cent of the observed reduction in inequality. Findings suggest that the targeting of the Programme is already very good and that the main restraining factor of the Programme’s impact on poverty is not targeting, but rather the low value of the transfers.

Keywords: poverty; inequality; redistribution; cash transfers.

so, when this was happening, everyone was gawking over the "absolute success" this was, Obama praised Lula publicly in front of the world, experts in the EU considered it a reference work case for their own strategies, etc etc. What nobody there wanted to admit was that a federal aid program, with straight cash transfers that had no-questions-asked, with a laser focus on people who needed it the most, was very modest to maintain, didn't generate any sort of "moral hazard" in large scale and generated a powerful economic feedback that managed to get a lot of people out of poverty and misery

and the question that started to haunt when the G8 was praising Lula back then was: "if Brazil can do it, what's stopping us from doing that?"

(China, btw, was so impressed with the program they sent CCP scholars and academicians to study and work with the Brazilian govt at the time, to help develop their own strategy)

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Oct 21, 2011


ToxicAcne posted:

I think people are being a little bit triumphalist about China here. I wouldn't be surprised if something big started to shake up China. There are already stories of young Marxists in China becoming dissatisfied with the state of things.

from the little I understand of it, the main argument from the CCP left (the party theoreticians and real-deal communists) to form the agreement with Deng Xiaoping was basically

- use trade as a means to avoid the problems that beset the development of the Soviet Union;

- slingshot capitalism through a far greater degree of state management ever so attempted (there is no "keynesian honeymoon" here to speak of because many limitations of keynesian policies simply do not apply here as China has far greater leverage of command over its economy), coordinated in a global commercial insertion that would make China critical to international markets;

- as such, this would also satisfy the priority of deterrence against imperialism;

- the ensuing class struggle would (in their estimation) pave the way for young Maoism in the future. allegedly this was the thing that rattled Deng the most because it was something that most party thinkers agreed, especially those from rural backgrounds. This is further compounded by kids learning Marx, Engels, Lenin and obviously Mao in primary history classes

so essentially they were (and are I guess) agreeing from the point-of-view of Mao about contradictions and acting an arbitration role for the Party between capital and labor, while fostering the conditions to push the latter above the former. Xi certainly agrees with some of their points at least and has a respectful relationship with them (again, from the little I know)

so I would guess that they are the guys to steer the revolutionary sentiment, to allow the Party to be a vehicle for some neo-Maoist transformation should the conditions arise while still remaining at the helm of the Chinese state. Paradox and contradiction for the purpose of fostering the revolution into new phases, or something like that lol

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Oct 21, 2011


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

https://twitter.com/EdSander/status/1366790600968851458

my parents are straight-down-the-line liberal democrats and i raised this question a few weeks ago while talking about china (my dad worked in hong kong back in the day) and they both went "hell yeah!" so watch out for the liberals. they might do it.

well it seems you can radicalize them

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Oct 21, 2011


yeaaah, I was going to comment on that being queer and all

it's a primary court decision that a judge disagrees that the content of certain education textbooks should be considered homophobic per the plaintiff, but the judge has ruled that the quality of the material was inadequate and not up to the required standard due to the misinterpretation of the psychological and clinical factors quoted

so it is even more nuanced than that: the point of matter was addressed (the books had bad and misleading content) but the case for the publisher being responsible for homophobia was dismissed for lack of evidence, which - I presume - would require more than a specific situation of editorial negligence to argue for. However, the judge is clearly a homophobe given his previous mentioned decisions and by refusing to consider the government's own references on the matter, so it is pretty much a case of a personalist idiot trying to force lovely jurisprudence just to clog the pipes because the gay

(it's almost like that clerk or something from somewhere in the USA refusing to certificate the marriage between two men iirc)

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Oct 21, 2011


indigi posted:

I get that it’s nowhere near as bad as it looked initially (due to lovely reporting), but the book called homosexuality mental illness in 2013 iirc, there should be some consequences for publishing that 12 years after the government said that was incorrect. they clearly hosed up and should be held accountable. not with a personal payout imo, but something

but that’s what is going on

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Oct 21, 2011


btw Vietnam just got to six months without any COVID deaths

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Oct 21, 2011


Junkozeyne posted:

The symbolism of the fasces is "strength through unity" after all

which always leads to the hilarious fact that they are pictured in the American and French congresses

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Oct 21, 2011


shrike82 posted:

ok and...? isn’t that even worse for China

you repeatedly assume that China must act like the United States in terms of a global power instead of doing its own thing since it is a state with very, very different characteristics

does it ever occur to you that China might just have aided neighboring nations for the humane practicality of it instead of some pseudo-Monroe doctrine attitude, like, helping our neighbors with the pandemic helps us greatly too in direct material terms, we don't need "recognition" for that

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Oct 21, 2011



afaik, communists there were making some important advances in the last few years so now they are a far bigger boogeyman than the ISIS offshoot of a while back?

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Oct 21, 2011


huhwhat posted:

Standing in marked contrast to the intolerant savagery of other religions, Buddhism is neither fanatical nor dogmatic--so say its adherents. For many of them Buddhism is less a theology and more a meditative and investigative discipline intended to promote an inner harmony and enlightenment while directing us to a path of right living. Generally, the spiritual focus is not only on oneself but on the welfare of others. One tries to put aside egoistic pursuits and gain a deeper understanding of one’s connection to all people and things. “Socially engaged Buddhism” tries to blend individual liberation with responsible social action in order to build an enlightened society.

in old Tibet the people lived in contented and tranquil symbiosis with their monastic and secular lords. Rich lamas and poor monks, wealthy landlords and impoverished serfs were all bonded together, mutually sustained by the comforting balm of a deeply spiritual and pacific culture.

It might be said that we denizens of the modern secular world cannot grasp the equations of happiness and pain, contentment and custom, that characterize more traditionally spiritual societies.

source your quotes

https://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0711/S00322/friendly-feudalism-the-tibet-myth.htm

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Oct 21, 2011


Atrocious Joe posted:

Other people post think tank talks, I post Joe Rogan interviews. He's having lots of China hawks on in recent days.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyE55eB9Afc

https://twitter.com/JamieMetzl/status/1369290976993419268?s=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIXKJXsiBFc

lol Joe Rogan having an atlantic council guest will cause some meltdowns in that audience

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Oct 21, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

let's be real Joe Rogan having on an Atlantic Council guest is worse than anything else the liberals pearl-clutched over with Rogan allegedly being "alt-right" or whatever the gently caress

quoted for truth

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Oct 21, 2011


Ferrinus posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcfvCEaZoa0

♩ let's get down to business ♫
♩ to defeat ♫
♩ the han ♫

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Oct 21, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

I've actually started reading up on the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1978 while browsing for Deng Xiaoping's works and my mind is getting blown over the relationships at play.

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Oct 21, 2011


BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

the WAP army

WAP: workers and peasants

I prefer the "Well Armed Proletariat" take myself

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Oct 21, 2011



I got the train running on that one. What were the Alaska talks and what happened there, please

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Oct 21, 2011


gradenko_2000 posted:

people refusing to get vaccinated if they know it's going to be Sinovac is precisely what's happening here in the PH

bolsonaro tried to push that one here (with Russia too) and got incredibly owned by memes of all things

to summarize the sentiment it goes like "you are talking with people who take drinks from strangers during carnival and eat street food that might as well be irradiated, meanwhile China builds a railroad in a week and Russia has put the first person in space, these guys are more than legit"

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Oct 21, 2011


OhFunny posted:

OP is referring to the fact that at the time of the French Revolution French was the language of only half of the people living in France and due to the ancien régime's feudalism there was no united nation-state. The new revolutionary government and later governments centralized the country and suppressed the other Langues d'oïl along with the cultures of minority groups like the Bretons and Occitans to create a single French identity.

Peasants into Frenchmen is an incredibly good book about all of this and more, showing the guts of the process of making a country in the way we nowadays use that word

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Oct 21, 2011


Agrajag posted:

bro the pentagon doesnt even know the real number of bases they have around the world and are relying on a loving author's speculation

you gotta be loving kidding me

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Oct 21, 2011



incredible, just incredible

they had a literal army of accountants and they couldn't do it, this is right off wh40k bureaucracy stuff lmao

and yeah I gotta admit I admire how creatively they spun that one, though - "THIS ORGANIZATION IS SO drat HUGE AND POWERFUL AND MASSIVE THAT WE HAVE NO IDEA HOW EXTENSIVE IT ACTUALLY IS" gives a strong america gently caress yeah feel until the inconvenient idea of "wait but how effective it truly is" comes up

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Oct 21, 2011


dat railroad through the Iranian highlands mmmmmm

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Oct 21, 2011


Chamale posted:

The Yellow Vests movement in France started when they ended the wealth tax and started taxing gas, since wealthy people tend to live in Paris and not commute. Tax by the mile would be super regressive.

yeah it is the brazilianization of the economy, regressive taxes are bad all around

rich fucks simply do not get that proportional taxation benefits them as well lmao

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Oct 21, 2011


Junkozeyne posted:

The BBC is an independent media organization according to Twitter

omfg HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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Oct 21, 2011


KaptainKrunk posted:

Tiananmen Square in the Western imagination: A bunch of pro-democracy students just wanted freedom or whatever and the CCP ran them over with tanks and shot thousands of them in cold blood.

What actually happened: Students were a mix of pro-capitalist stooges, naive democratic socialists who thought Gorbachev was a swell guy, and probably a smaller cadre of dedicated leftists pissed at roaders. Workers were mostly pissed about privatization, breaking of welfare benefits, social security. Fighting broke out around the square. A few hundred to maybe a thousand died. The students were allowed to leave peacefully.

the worst mistake

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Oct 21, 2011



anglos spending money on the global south for infrastructure and development ahahahahhahahahhahahHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

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Oct 21, 2011


the recent trend of economic corncobbing and self-ownage by steadfastly shooting in the foot as one screams "NO BUSINESS WITH THE YELLOW MENACE" is quite something

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Oct 21, 2011


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Oct 21, 2011


Rutibex posted:

what do you mean all of the "ghost cities" now have residents? planning for the future isn't profitable! i'm pretty sure making a plan violates the laws of capital dynamics

personally, the most loving annoying and stupid contradiction of capitalism has to be this one

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Oct 21, 2011


Mr Hootington posted:

The rumor is all crypto trading or holding may be investigated as money laundering schemes or other such financial crimes.

Raskolnikov38 posted:

time to learn mandarin

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Oct 21, 2011


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Oct 21, 2011


just complete and utter lol if Xi seizes the moment for a greater degree of planning

the justification is there and international capital can't do much more than what it is already doing, lmao

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Oct 21, 2011


Mr Hootington posted:

The burning of the rest of the world's finance bros is my personal tinfoil hat wish. Please do not take that as fact.

the funniest thing though is that the institutional capability and structure of the CPC can do that, hell, iirc the CPC Left argues that the main point of sequestration of capital is to have leverage when poo poo like that happens

not to mention that opens a juicy af nationalization prospect that can be very interesting under the new dictate of common prosperity

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Oct 21, 2011


https://twitter.com/LassPeaches/status/1437826075581566978

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Oct 21, 2011


the man rocks the look. gotta say the moustache works for him, a rare feat

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Oct 21, 2011


the australian guy looks like he is having a stroke

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Oct 21, 2011



amazing, incredibly amazing

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