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CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Mr Hootington posted:

After reading this I am convinced China might be hosed too lol
https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/1437970091224678405?s=19

Nah China will be fine because unlike the US they realize this is all imaginary bullshit and are just using capitalism as a tool to get others to finance their industrialization.

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CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

stephenthinkpad posted:

Don't Aussie build those Ford Falcon Mad Max car anymore?

No both Ford and Holden shut their plants down.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

indigi posted:

what does Japan spend all that money on

Japan's military acquisition is maybe even more corrupt than the US. The zaibatsus have even less distance between them and the government.

That and they have laws that their arms dealers can't export. So the market for their goods is very small which means they have to change more.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

SporkOfTruth posted:

hence the involvement of the Marubeni corporation (and the Yakuza!) in Japan's part of the Lockheed bribery scandal

Yeah the Japanese government is mega corrupt and has been all but openly in bed with the Yakuza since the 50s.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

He's been an insane fascist for a while and has totally gotten away with it because he fought the mouthy black guy whites really hate.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

gradenko_2000 posted:

People are gonna gas themselves up to convince each other that voting for Pacquiao will be necessary lesser-evilism to stop another Duterte and it's gonna drive me insane

He's literally Duterte's best friend and has been a staunch political ally so I don't know if even libs can do that. More likely they just ignore it like they always have.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

hot witch divorcee posted:

its been like 20+ years since the 90s, turns out deng wasn't loving joking and xi is DEFINITELY not joking, the millions of CPC members who have worked tirelessly for decades weren't joking, and the point of opening up and allowing and encouraging markets was actually, like deng said from the beginning, to develop productive forces to allow for material conditions necessary for a moderately prosperous society. the PMCs still knew how to run the factories, and were thus necessary, ask lenin about it, as well as there needed to be incentive to work, grow, and make truly world-class poo poo in the first place hence allowing billionaires. i would also personally argue that billionaires are a necessary misdirection under american hedgemony to make hostile liberal capitalist foreign powers believe you are going down a path to liberalization that you simply aren't; i don't like them either but they seem to have worked well in that regard. the fact that most if not all of them are in the CPC, there's more of them per capita, and they have a much lower multiplier of median/average net worth than in the us/west has demonstrated this and has been what brought me to be at peace with the idea.

the first major initiative xi put the CPC on as president was anti-corruption. you know that poo poo worked hilariously well because the foreign policy blob has been big mad about it since it started, as what it was doing in practice was removing thoroughly corrupt officials, punishing ones that did more minor oopsies, and fixing bureaucratic entanglements that kept people from seeking redress. this punted all the cia assets overnight. the methods were largely just creating multiple levels of oversight and taking accusations of corruption seriously and investigating suspicious activity and following up on tips and complaints.

the reason this was done first is, in order to make good on the promise that the development of productive forces would lead to a better, or "moderately prosperous" life for the entire country, and in order to be able to complete the next order of business, poverty alleviation, the thing that xi cares about the most and worked his entire career to be in a position to lead the cpc in allocating the resources and literal millions of party members that would need to be deputized to carry out the program. it simply couldn't be done if it was corrupt bureaucrats all the way down that kept pocketing money and resources meant to pull people out of poverty, either via direct welfare or infrastructure. extensive tracking and databases and oversight needed to be put in place to ensure every last person was out of absolute poverty, which was absolutely necessary because many of the problems that had to be overcome in the last mile was finding out who had their hands in the cookie jar that was keeping the people still in absolute poverty from their entitlements.

im going on but the point is here--does any of this sound like poo poo that a bourgeois dictatorship would do? head to bottom, the CPC, especially since the party has organized around and uplifted Xi Jinping and Xi Jinping Thought, simply does not take orders from billionaires. they actively root out corruption and kickback schemes. the second a river or lake somewhere gets hosed up they send out lawyers on ziplines and solve the problem and prosecute whomever is doing it instead of making it illegal for companies to NOT gently caress everything up until it becomes a superfund site at which point some token settlement is doled out like OTHER CERTAIN western countries.

china is not a country, and the cpc is not a ruling body, that puts money and capital before its citizens. it's not perfect, it has to make a lot of compromises to live in the historical materialist context it does under a us hegemony, and there are times where an eagerness for prosperity gets in the way of sound decision making a little too long. however if you actually look at their actions and how they have been developing, they aren't loving joking with the socialism by 2050; it's practically a new country every decade as they work to resolve the biggest contradictions they are able to at any given time.

in conclusion, i do not understand why so many western leftists insist on seeing china as this static place that seeks to be wealthy in capital for its own sake. while this is the MO of western powers, there is nothing in china's actions or history under CPC rule that indicate they are putting bourgeois concerns above proletariat.

It's because the CIA and other fieveyes thugs have infiltrated the western left and have been subverting it for decades now.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

hot witch divorcee posted:

yeah but im still going to mouth off about it because it sure took me a long time to find out the truth (that china and the cpc are super loving based) because any time any western leftist brought up china it was like "well they're just state capitalism/capitalism with red flags" and well yeah working in tech and knowing things like how lovely foxconn is (but not really knowing much about the difference between a taiwan or hong kong company and a mainland one) and how lovely 996 schedules are it was really easy to uncritically swallow. always been a big dprk fan though so i at least recognized that china loving around with market influence allowed the dprk to avoid it. but then i met pro-china marxist-leninists and was completely gobsmacked by how much has been kept from me.

like my god even in the aforementioned reading group, since it's with mixed company leftists, i have to be very upfront that "it was the 90s and there are some outdated things about china in here" and then couch everything i say and go into detail about some of china's solutions to problems that we've seen since then (or in some cases, even before then under deng) and then still hope those same people still show up next week.

Yeah there's little excuse for academics at least given as anyone can freely travel to china and see things for themselves.

I think a lot of leftists simply didn't take the CPC at their word. We've been lied to and hoodwinked so many times that we thought the CPC was just going to push the communism button.

Then they did it. People are starting to catch on now at least, although Langley's goons still have total control of the press and most of academia.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i don't take issue with the rest of your post, which was interesting, but i don't find this hard to believe

Yeah the CIA is probably extremely stupid which is befitting an organization founded by Nazi sympathizers, schizophrenics and a few actual Nazis.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Deified Data posted:

How is the Russian Communist Party anyway? Are they what they say on the tin or a vehicle for nationalist weirdos?

Bit of both. The CPRF is uniquely cursed in that they have won several elections but have not taken power. The brief time they sort of did Boris Yeltsin just shelled the capitol.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

mila kunis posted:

i think the dengists were always pretty clear about what they were about. there's probably a mix of reasons why the west didn't care:

- they didn't believe them and thought they were bluffing to maintain political legitimacy
- there was money to be made by capital by going to a place with lower wages, and power to be gained by using that to crush labor at home, who cares what the chinese say its about the rate of return baby
- they believed they could use a liberalized economy to bring chinese capitalists to see DC as something that would back them against their own country and get them political power, cf latin american oligarchs, eventually leading to a dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, breaking the CPC hold on power and bringing china fully into the washington consensus

Also the west wasn't using a scientific (Marxist) analysis of politics whereas the Chinese are. American capitalism has no real ideological rooting and what little is there is complete voodoo compared to the science of Marxism.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Danann posted:

You can basically read D&D (or be exposed to them via Discord) to see how the Western political elite think and want to do. It's full of garbage that thinks that there's this nebulous current of ultranationalism that's propelling a 1984 state to crack down on everything and that there's secret gigadeathcamps etc. etc. etc. Never once was Marxism or Communism seriously entertained as something that's guiding the CPC's actions, because according to China watchers they're not actually Communist at all.

The garbage spewed by China watchers from the West has basically taken on a life of its own and they are now running the asylum.

Yeah I'm increasingly thinking though that this whole plan came about because the CPC, being Marxists, used scientific reasoning to find a way to essentially force capitalism to defeat itself. China gladly absorbed all the West's industry and technology and was richly rewarded for it, because they put themselves in a situation where the very nature of free market capitalism ensured their success. Western firms, driven by an absolute need to maximize profits by any means necessary, had to go to China.

It's brilliant really.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Ferrinus posted:

i'm late to this discussion but i think it's important to keep in mind that deng's strategy wasn't a trick that could only work insofar as it successfully fooled the west. capital literally cannot help itself - if the opportunity for investment and the creation of billionaires appears in a country, investment has to flow into that country because capital abhors a vacuum. no doubt the CIA was telling itself "heh heh heh they don't realize they're not going to be able to stop us" while other parts of it were telling themselves "heh heh heh we've finally won", and no doubt some of the CPC was telling itself "heh he heh they don't realize we're going to stop them" while other parts were thinking "heh heh heh they don't realize i'm a capitalist roader", but it doesn't really matter because the west simply cannot control its own capital, and when left to its own devices capital behaves predictably

Yes the Chinese created a situation where American capital was essentially forced to defeat itself.

Had America put even a few regulations on Capital they could have stopped this but America would rather cut it's own throat than do that.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

PawParole posted:

The soviets were horrible allies to China and North Vietnam. They forced Ho Chi Minh to accept the Geneva Treaty. They always kept their eyes on the European front and gave the rest of the world a secondary importance.

They also built the entire air defense network in North Vietnam (one of the largest and best in the world), formed, equipped and trained the entire air force and provided experts and technicians plus a lot more. Soviet specialists even died in battle. It's really not a stretch to say the North probably would have lost if not for Soviet support. China did not have the technology or production to provide these things in the 1960s.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
Is Lithuania the one with statues commemorating the SS or is that Latvia?

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

this is a messaging shift because "china is strong and powerful" might lead some to think "let's not fight them but find a way to work things out." the propaganda line instead turns into "we have to fight china because they're weak and will lash out and strike us first"

https://twitter.com/china_takes/status/1441796646459691008

It'd actually own to be paid shitloads of money to be wrong but if I was doing that I'd at least write something cool instead of dull nerd poo poo.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Red and Black posted:

It instantly brought to my mind the recent revelation that under Trump, Mark Milley had to call his counterpart in China to assure him that the US wasn't going launch a surprise nuclear attack against China. The worry being that China might attack US forces in the indo-pacific to preempt a perceived imminent attack by the US. This mad man posturing really does gently caress with the heads of the leadership of China and the US is playing a dangerous game.

Yes the US has done this for a while it's the same poo poo we did with the USSR and very nearly led to war. The Soviets seriously believed that America was run by absolute bloodthirsty maniacs. And they were right

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

dead gay comedy forums posted:

incidentally I googled about theoretician courses in china and holy loving poo poo so much awesome stuff

School of Marxism Studies, Nanjing Normal University
http://schools.njnu.edu.cn/marx/about

School of Marxism, Fudan University
https://www.fudan.edu.cn/en/2019/0513/c295a96648/page.htm
(incredibly web 1.0 posting energies)

School of Marxism, Guangxi University
https://my.gxu.edu.cn/

School of Marxism, Peking University
https://wcm.pku.edu.cn/english/biwcm/index.htm

Actually more and more convinced Bitcoin is a CIA op to make it easier for them to transmit and launder money every day ngl.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

KomradeX posted:

This song is rad as gently caress, but I always felt that American claims of Soviet pilots in North Vietnam to be cope cause they couldn't believe 1) they lost and 2) non white people beat them

There is, was and likely always will be zero evidence that Soviet pilots ever flew combat missions over Vietnam.

So I mean it could have happened maybe but what's much more likely is that the Soviets simply trained the Vietnamese pilots.

It's pure racism in other words. There's no reason why Vietnamese people if properly trained cannot be as effective pilots as anyone else.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Cerebral Bore posted:

the north vietnamese air force was arguably the best in the world during the vietnam war, they actually had a positive kills to losses ratio despite being vastly outnumbered and using inferior hardware

It was a lot more complicated than that. The Vietnamese had the luxury of being able to operate in their own territory and air defense umbrella, and they also had a lot of easier targets to shoot down, like bombers, recon and et cetera, whereas American fighters had to bust through the Vietnamese AA network and only fought other fighters.

But yes the Vietnamese gave a good account if themselves, helped greatly by DoD acquisitions being so corrupt that the missiles which formed the core of US doctrine didn't work.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

KomradeX posted:

I remember the excuse for why that first generation of heart seeking missiles didn't work was because they were designed to shoot Soviet planes down over Germany, not over hot humid jungle

They also said they didn't expect salt water to infiltrate the seeker heads or rocket bodies which is bizzare given as this was always a naval missile and you'd think even the slightest testing would have discovered that.

But then again, the Pentagon let's the contractors run their own tests and often even set their own parameters so it's no great surprise they missed it.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
the real question is how big do you think xis dick is?

with biden we know from hunter that hes probably got a giant hog, but xi is a mystery.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

XMNN posted:

i skim read maybe half the post, and he's right

also lol that that talon moron posts in that thread and is doing the black book of communism stuff

the best part about that one was that it was literally written by an MI-6 propaganda agent under his real name and job title and everything and people still just lapped it up

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Hedenius posted:

The concept of having Anthony Scaramucci explain what Chinese people think about the CCP was funny enough to get me to check what he has been up to after his very public humiliation. I was very surprised to learn that his wife didn't actually divorce him in the end. They worked things out and have a podcast together called "Mooch and the Mrs".

Other than that he's doing exactly what you would expect.



Banning crypto isn't going far enough we should also ban crypto owners from breathing.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
Man it's wild to see d&d libs rant about how China is doing mega genocide in Xinjiang and then post "evidence" which is literally the party specifically outlining educational, vocational, safety and health standards for the centers, even setting aside places where armed guards are not allowed and another paper stressing the importance of proper gathering, verification and custody of evidence.

All of this sounds very not genocidal to me but they spin these wild yarns from entirely contradictory evidence.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i wanna buy this

also there's a genre of patriotic vietnamese socialist pop music. i've probably posted it before but the second video is fun because it shows U.S. marines getting dropped like imperial stormtroopers as these chicks with AKs give it a thumbs up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iBGtYvaJMY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLffUfT8M_A

While on the topic of Vietnam, Giap is worth reading and it's quite tragic he gets so little attention given as he was the primary military leader of what is without a doubt the most successful leftist uprising in history. Dude beat the Japanese, French, Americans, South Vietnamese, Cambodians and Chinese all in a row with no real breaks, and beat all of them pretty badly.

His book clearly outlines what he intended to do and why it works, and then he carried it out. As it turns out no one in the Pentagon had read his book because they are paid to be incompetent.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

mila kunis posted:

funny how the dipshits american liberals big up in foreign countries turn out to be reactionary shitheads

Tradition goes back to Solzhenitsyn at least.

Maybe these socialist countries aren't evil after all and do have good reasons to imprison these people...

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Nonsense posted:



Evil Xi is up to something in the West! Surely this graph means something

This graph helpfully provided by the CIA, that is.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
The West's problem is capitalism and the only way you fix it is a communist revolution and lol. Lmao.l

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Atrocious Joe posted:

If the US is trying to set up a Taiwanese Gladio, what flavor of psycho do they try to arm. The guys who want to be a Japanese colony again?

The guys they've already been arming and supporting for 50 years?

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Atrocious Joe posted:

The retired Taiwanese general that put out a statement saying the armed forces should coup the government and surrender to the PLA makes me think the US might be looking for new blood.

Much easier for the CIA to just shoot him and find a more complaint figurehead.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
Finally got Xi's book when do I get to the sex scenes

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
Goddamn it's loving wild seeing Biden's mossad press secretary coming out and demanding proof of life for a tennis player who has been posting with location enabled on Weibo the entire time.

They really are out of ideas now.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Some Guy TT posted:

oh yeah smart guy if shes not being oppressed then why did she stop posting no sane person ever stops posting

If she's not oppressed why is she posting on Weibo instead of the CIAs captive social media?

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Some Guy TT posted:

oh so that wasnt a picture of winnie the pooh it was just comrade xi

The CIA tells me Pooh is banned in China and the mere mention of it makes Xi literally turn into a corncob so yes absolutely.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

sexpig by night posted:

the dumbest people online were so happy to draw xi as a bright yellow oaf, but ya know, to own him, for the people

It was the HK fascists who really set it off, and their entire gimmick is just being really racist in hopes the queen will declare them honorary Aryans.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

sexpig by night posted:

flying the colonial flag to protest imperialism!

They were protesting against the arrest of a man who beat his mainlander girlfriend to death and then fled justice in HK, but yeah, the CIA convinced people it was imperialism. In the good old days of British rule these freaks would have been allowed to abuse and murder mainlanders with no consequences, and they want that back.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Some Guy TT posted:

surely peng shuais attendance at this event was advertised well in advance so its weird that none of our hardworking china beat journalists mentioned this amidst their speculation of her having been disappeared

These are the same people who not only believed it when the CIA said Saddam had WMDs but then never questioned it in the decades after it was proven that he did not.

In other words, they're loving shills for Langley.

CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley

Ngl that man looks like a pedo

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CaptainACAB
Sep 14, 2021

by Jeffrey of Langley
this poo poo just shows how desperate they truly are. its the flimsiest poo poo. when they said saddam was making WMDs, well, we couldn't prove he WASN'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! so who knows.

but this, you can prove shes not dead or in a camp, like really loving easily. flimsiest poo poo

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