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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Dreylad posted:

I stopped reading the ME after my eyes rolled up back through my head when people were morally condemning other people they had internet disagreements with. Please don't tell me someone tried to doxx Al-Saqr or something stupid.

Nah, people just decided (wrongly) it was time for a new thread.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

OctaMurk posted:

Yes we were only complicit in making a major clusterfuck this time, instead of total shitshow.

As a global power, America would be just as complicit if we'd done absolutely nothing, just in a different way.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Spangly A posted:

you have to be straight up insane to include the UK, a country with an aircraft carrier and literally no planes or weapons on it, on par with France or Germany. Not sure about Japan's military capabilities but the UK are completely unable to enter any sort of military engagement without multiple nations supporting them; they have no working logistics and no projection at all.

Britain has nukes, a permanent UNSC seat, and one of the world's major financial centers. They've needlessly let their military run down but they still punch way the hell above their weight otherwise.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Grouchio posted:

Why the hell did the British split Yemen in the first place?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=history+of+yemen

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Sinteres posted:

The Houthis seem to be claiming that they launched a cruise missile toward a nuclear reactor in Abu Dhabi, but there seems to be some dispute on whether or not the released video is authentic. The reactor's fine in any case, but the missile shown was a relatively new Iranian model, so if the Houthis actually did fire it, it means Iran is shipping them pretty sophisticated missiles they can't credibly claim to have scrounged up in a pre-war stockpile. The video might just be from Iran though :shrug:.

I honestly can't imagine Iran is thrilled by that choice of target.


Thank god the State Department is operating at peak efficiency these days :laughingthatturnsintocrying:

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Dec 4, 2017

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Haystack posted:

Ok, taking a step back, will this change the overall strategic situation with Yemen? The blockade is still ongoing an unchallanged, and I don't see that changing just because the Houthis won an internal fight. As dramatic as the last few days were, it seems like the big picture is unchanged.

Depends on whether the Iranians slap them upside the head for targeting a goddamned nuclear reactor.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Moatman posted:

This isn’t how nuclear power plants work hth

It has the word "nuclear" in it, so the facts really don't matter as much as the perception.

I mean, perception beats facts for almost everything, but that goes like 500% for anything that involves nuclear power. A fire aboard an aircraft carrier can end up classified as a nuclear incident if the carrier is either nuclear-powered or carrying nuclear weapons in its magazines, even if the fire has nothing to do with them.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Dec 4, 2017

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Try explaining to the average member of the public (any public) that a missile hitting a nuclear power station is No Big Deal. Go on, try it.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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CommieGIR posted:

I understand that, trust me. But when you double down and point to Fukushima, best buckle up.

We're kinda talking past each other. I'm aware that, like you said, a lovely Houthi missile strike will do fuckall to a nuclear plant 99 times out of 100. At the same time the average person will hear "missile attack against nuclear power plant" and start picturing Godzilla's Camel Spider Cousin.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

CommieGIR posted:

Pretty much, that's the larger issue with threatening to strike a nuclear plant. It'll just draw out the siege even further and the Saudis will dig in further.

Yeah, in terms of public perception an armed group claiming they're attacking a nuclear plant is up there with targeting an orphanage staffed by puppies in terms of how the world will react.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Saladin Rising posted:

The YPG's anti-terror group (the YAT) prevented a really horrible massacre of civilians from happening: https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/7o34cw/antiterror_units_yat_dismantled_a_group_of_is_in/
https://twitter.com/claudiaalmina/status/948915345259147264

How hosed up do you have to be to be planning an attack on a refugee camp with loving car bombs?

As hosed up as typical IS shitbags. They're evil at a level that would give cartoon supervillains pause.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Count Roland posted:

I wonder if Trump was conflating Palestine and Pakistan there.

That makes too much sense for the way that the pile of worm-infested onion dip Trump calls a brain works.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

TheBalor posted:

How in god's name does the idea of "ruling the world" as a stated end-goal still make sense after the advent of nuclear weapons? Even the US, at the height of its power in the 90's and early 2000's, still had no real control over India, Pakistan, or China.

Raving crazy nationalists are dumb.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Count Roland posted:

Against which group?

Pretty much everybody in Yemen.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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almighty posted:

The chain of events often referred to as the Armenian Genocide took place before the modern day Turkey was established in 1923, and Turks weren't the only party that were involved in inter-communal violence and brigand activity; e.g. Kurdish Hamidiye Battalions are responsible for many Armanian civilian casualties and there've also been quite a lot of non-Armenian casualties inflicted by Armenian brigands and insurgents cooperating with Imperial Russian invasion efforts.

Cool genocide denial/apologism bro!

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Sergg posted:

I forgot, is destroying your own cities, destroying the entire medical and hospital infrastructure of your country, and making half your population homeless now a Socialist plank?

As a registered and paid-up member of the Republican National Committee, of course it is.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Human Grand Prix posted:

This thread is also full of Liberal hawks and neocons who have remained suspiciously silent in the midst of Turkey and Al-Qaeda'sFree Syrian Army's invasion of Afrin. And I'M the Fascist supporter?

Uhhhhhh

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Tias posted:

Anyway, this interpretation just smacks of exceptionalism - More of their civilians die than ours, so we must be on the right track :p

That's not what he said at all :confused:

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

rear end posted:

The most popular videogame in the Middle East is Sonic Heroes.

Carpet bomb them all.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Wait, is the body (it? he? I don't know what the proper pronoun is for dead Iranian royalty) an actual Egypt-style specially-prepared mummy or is it just an ordinary dried and desiccated corpse?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Seems weird of me to only obscure some of those dudes' faces, but I'm probably missing something and there's a reason for it.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Trump getting indicted for managing to violate his own Iran sanctions would be Peak 2018.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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lollontee posted:

better the trashbag ideology than nothing at all

Not really, no.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Fagot is an interesting Twitter hashtag. I got missiles, concert music, and findom in the first five results.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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I should've mentioned the most shocking part of the hashtag results were no pictures of MiGs.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Rent-A-Cop posted:

9K111 Fagot is the Russian designation for what NATO calls the AT-4 Spigot.

This is dating me but I really really wish I could find that old JeffK image macro with the MiG-15.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

mlmp08 posted:

Shocking revelation: Saddam sucked but that doesn’t mean Americans should high-five and cheer over what we did to/in Iraq.

You're not allowed to have reasonable opinions like this ITT. You absolutely have to be a deranged shrieking partisan for one side or the other. Fortunately there's approximately 7 billion sides at the moment so that leaves you with a lot of options.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Man, gently caress this poo poo.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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kustomkarkommando posted:

The opposition backed indpedent agency is now tying p much level pegging to the state agency fyi

And what does this mean in plain language, because I can't decipher what you're trying to say here. Do the official and independent results now agree with each other or is one election organization loving the other with a strap-on dildo?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Retarded Goatee posted:

is it the authoritarian strongman appeal?

It's being alive in 2018.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Ardennes posted:

So basically, they are assets that could be reused for a future government in exile?

You really, really want them to be guilty of something, don't you?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

LeoMarr posted:

Turkey is opening turkish post boxes in syria. What the hell happens when turkey literally annexes parts of iraq and syria

Nothing.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Ego-bot posted:

https://twitter.com/cjwerleman/status/1031935357724459008

So what's everyones opinion of Pakistan's new PM? Neocons and the usual Washington crowd seem to hate him.

I hope this means he's going to clamp down on the ISI funding various Taliban types.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Like I'm not trying to say that the US hasn't done loving awful things in Afghanistan and Pakistan, but this guy's "Plucky Little Pakistan" act is aggravating considering how, for instance, the Pakistani military literally sheltered Osama loving bin Laden for almost a decade.

Of course, that's assuming it's for anything other than domestic consumption. He's probably got to say something like that to his voters.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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420 Gank Mid posted:

The holocaust is real and the holodomor is a nazi attempt to smoke screen their own genocide

No.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Does everybody take notes on their criminal loving conspiracies?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Isn't I/P stuff supposed to go in its own thread?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Count Roland posted:

That thread is garbage though, I'd like to be able to talk about it here too.

That's because I/P chat always turns into angry shrieking, which is why it's quarantined in a separate thread.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Volkerball posted:

There's reports that Sean Penn is in Istanbul right now doing a documentary on the Khashoggi murder. Saudi state media is not handling it well.

http://english.alarabiya.net/en/med...8mQYaow.twitter

"according to wordpress.com"

Before I clicked this link I assumed Sean Penn was making a documentary about Khashoggi on behalf of the Saudis. I'm still kinda surprised he isn't.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
Staying in Afghanistan is going to get a lot of people killed, but withdrawing suddenly from Afghanistan is going to get lots of people killed too. The fact that Trump is in charge merely assures that the second choice will be done in the worst and most inept and bloody way possible.

Especially because unlike South Vietnam, we aren't going to lift a finger to help our former allies in Afghanistan when their government falls to Taliban 2.0. There's going to be mass executions of people who thought we were going to help them and the average voter will chuckle because Tucker Carlson told them that everyone in Afghanistan is an evil terrorist.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Dec 21, 2018

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