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Jun 19, 2014

DancingShade posted:

Question is - assuming nobody takes the bait, how long can 2x US carrier groups stay moored off the coast of Israel to protect them in the event of a regional scuffle that may be held off by their presence? Indefinitely?

Those particular carriers, no, they'll only be there for a time measured in months even with the US's global replenishment network. Can the US substitute two other carriers when those need to head back to port for whatever reason? That can be done until the US gets bored, yes.

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Jun 19, 2014

Frosted Flake posted:

Isn't this a loving army? Can't you order people to man the critical observation posts your whole concept of defence hinges on?

Turns out that all the liberal states spending the last 30-40 years demolishing the social contract and any material incentive to obey central authority outside of immediate punishment has consequences.

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Jun 19, 2014

The Oldest Man posted:

i know everyone is freebasing joe biden's dementia rn but the wider war is starting over here https://abcnews.go.com/International/security-incident-involving-us-navy-destroyer-red-sea/story?id=104147141

I doubt the US builds more than a couple dozen of those missiles per year at most, and I recall that it can't fill the magazines on its ships with its current missile supply. I wonder how many drones and missiles the Houthis can fire.

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Jun 19, 2014

The Oldest Man posted:

If those are shahed-136-like drones supplied by iran, each sm2 is basically an irreplaceable $2.5m weapon out of a stockpile of a couple thousand being used to shoot down a drone that costs like $30k and uses a lawnmower engine

Oh I'm well aware that they're way cheaper, I'm just curious if this is the point where a very under-resourced militia can physically run the entire US Navy out of its missile stockpiles or not.

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Jun 19, 2014

Fast Luck posted:

Dems: "trump is a putschist. He's a threat to democracy itself. If he is re-elected it could be the end of America."

...But if that's what it will cost to keep israel safe (by which we mean ethnically cleasne 2m palestinians, a nice little genocide), that's a price we must pay

Look, the Dems are the Good Guys (TM) and thus whatever they do is the best and most good policy that can exist. People who don't see that are short sighted greedy fools who want things. Short sighted greedy fools cannot and shouldn't be appealed to since one should always appeal to the highest minded principled rational far sighted citizens who understand that sometimes things aren't the best but that they're always getting better thanks to the Good Guys (TM) being in power.

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Jun 19, 2014

mags posted:

y’all might not be aware but there is a new Hitler out there please stay focused

just don't look or go outside

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Jun 19, 2014

Frankly, I'm surprised that one of Israel's first moves wasn't cutting all outside communications. Letting people that you're actively genociding talk about it is generally a bad move as every empire that's ethnically cleansed some people could tell them. I suppose that they thought it wouldn't matter.

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Jun 19, 2014

Vox Nihili posted:

I really don't understand how you can sell "surgical strikes" to the public while eagerly releasing footage of entire apartment blocks being systematically annihilated

A nation-state level propaganda apparatus makes the big lie perfectly feasible, as we've seen for the last 80+ years.

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Jun 19, 2014


didn't elon just say that that they'd be fine with serving Gaza but there's no terminals in there oh well too bad so sad and not do anything else

is expressing a useless neutrality just too much these days

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Jun 19, 2014

Starsfan posted:

they don't give a poo poo what the rest of the world thinks about them, as long as the Americans have their back. It is a sorry state of affairs.

unfortunately, there's nobody that can project more conventional power into the region than the assholes with two carrier groups hanging out nearby

fortunately, the destruction of Israel doesn't seem to require conventional power

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Jun 19, 2014

I understand Hezbollah hesitating - two US carrier groups on top of Israel's standing anti-Hezbollah force is a lot of firepower just waiting for an excuse to happen to local civilians terrorists by proximity.

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Jun 19, 2014

crepeface posted:

ive decided that US red lines are meaningless and that russia should sink the carriers with hypersonics

this is the moral course of action

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Jun 19, 2014

Spoondick posted:

rip to hezbollah drone martyrs



lol the western media doesn't know how to handle the proliferation of cheap cruise missiles

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Jun 19, 2014

Honky Mao posted:

Lmao at the periscope poking out of a hole in the middle of an idf camp

Them not spotting it is entirely understandable. Good cameras get tiny these days, Amazon is literally being sued right now over selling off the shelf cameras in shower fixture type things. That periscope was probably loving tiny, colored well, and almost didn't move. It's just another example of a capability that used to be premier special forces only that now Hamas probably just bought off the internet and assembled on site. Insurgencies are in a better place than ever these days and the west is not adapting to losing some of the tech advantage it has taken for granted.

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Jun 19, 2014

Suspicious posted:

how is interfering with an investigation of geneva convention violations not triggering a "are we the baddies" moment

at the risk of burgerposting - that moment happened twenty some odd years ago with the Hague Invasion Act and the conclusive answer was that the US was 100% in on being baddies

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Jun 19, 2014

Burn Zone posted:

call em AnsarAllah or Ansar Allah, just not Houthis

https://t.me/FotrosResistance/3396

I didn't think about that. Legit question - can I also call them Yemenis?

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Jun 19, 2014

FuzzySlippers posted:

I've been thinking the joint chiefs are doing a version of the dead parrot monty python sketch about US capabilities every day. Biden asks yet again why we aren't bombing Yemen and the joint chiefs are like the number of missiles we have available to shoot is still zero. Absence of missiles is what we have. We want to shoot missiles, but that requires having a number greater than zero to actually shoot them. Where the missile we would shoot at Yemen normally sit a piece of paper says 'sorry sent to ukraine'. A positive number of missiles is something we are pursuing, but we still have a non-positive number. etc

no, no, the US still has missiles

however if the US uses any missiles it won't have any missiles in case it needs to get into another war

and the US must always be ready to fight at least one more war, lest anyone get any ideas about dogpiling

the old 'I don't have enough bullets for all of you, but I have enough bullets for some. So which of you mugs is volunteering to die for everyone else?" scheme that spree shooters get away with so well

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Jun 19, 2014

Thoguh posted:

That stood out to me as well. Just openly stating that they are razing homes indiscriminately.

No, no, they're discriminating. They're only eradicating everything they can see. The tunnels are being left alone. As every properly propagandized educated person knows, Palestinians only really live underground and simply use their normal modern civilization aboveground housing to safely store munitions away from their actual places of habitation. And score propaganda victories via credulous leftists.

The hospitals weren't really demolished and patients not massacred because everything important was safely underground, per the alien habits of the non-westerner. What idiot leftists are seeing is merely cunning propaganda created by a giggling Hamas.

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Jun 19, 2014

Pookah posted:

This is what I heard too, except we've been hearing a lot lately about Israeli soldiers getting sick after eating badly prepared or stored food supplied by random civilians. So it sounds to me that in actual wartime conditions, the canteens are either overwhelmed or simply not there, the rations are crap and the pizza delivery charges are just too drat high.

The Israelis can't get their actual real soldiers to escort their tanks, so there's no way their pizza delivery services are getting within 10km of danger. Maybe at some point they'll designate some battalion level pizza pick up soldiers. Hell, it could be a reward duty - kill your kid quota and get a few hours away from the unaccountably angry locals to get food for the guys.

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Jun 19, 2014

FirstnameLastname posted:

its wild seeing ansarallah and hamas snd the taliban all immediately showing more recognition and respect to Bushnell, American Troop At War With Them, than the American media government and military combined could even pretend to muster

this country is a lich

get ready because in a little bit all of these statements of recognition of his sacrifice in opposition to US policy from people the US regards as national enemies are going to be used as evidence that he was a bribed agent/traitor all along acting in direct accordance with the orders of {enemy intelligence agency name}

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Jun 19, 2014

I'd wondered why the Israelis were bothering taking people, especially kids, from Gaza into long term holding prisons for "crimes" instead of just temporary camps since the usual USA style native genocide doesn't entail keeping the locals around at all. Organ harvesting makes sense as a reason to keep a population you're annihilating around for a bit longer. What a nightmare.

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Jun 19, 2014

Nonsense posted:

The US Navy would like to explain but they seem to be having their poo poo pushed in

So... situation normal for the sailors then.

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Jun 19, 2014


While it's good to see more people piling on, Yemen's got Eilat neutralized. There are better targets to hit than a nonoperating port.

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Jun 19, 2014

Weka posted:

There are definitely good targets in Eilat still. Israel's corvettes and frigates are the backbone of their ability to enforce the blockade of Gaza.

https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1774592745807450265

I stand corrected. I hope they take another dozen shots and bullseye each one.

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Jun 19, 2014

And this was the 'restrained' response that the US bought by approving Raffah occupation was it? What was the unrestrained one? Carpet bombing Tehran?

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Jun 19, 2014

Jen heir rick posted:

this is so crazy cool. These protests seem different somehow. It feels like the powerful are actually scared of these protests. It feels meaningful unlike previous protests that were just ignored.

The same was said of Occupy and BLM in their days. Unless this materially threatens the ruling class, much ado will be made and then nothing will change. The Vietnam peace protests accomplished gently caress all, but troops all but totally mutinying and definitely fragging officers ended the war and the draft to boot.

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Jun 19, 2014

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

So the only way they could have moved forward was to ignore both the kids and the genocide. For a bunch of reasons, the Democrats - and centre-left throughout the west - couldn't stomach that, and now... idk, it's a profound crisis.

The student protests are an incredibly safe issue to focus on. It's an easy excuse to have the commentariat focused thousands of miles away from the genocide. Israel is too close a focus, there's too much contact with reality that way. Not to mention that the Israeli press offices aren't doing themselves any favors at the moment. Give those guys a breather, focus attention on the most harmless of social issues involving peacefully protesting students and social media, and the problem can hopefully be put off for a bit longer.

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Jun 19, 2014

Twerk from Home posted:

This is normal, there have been police snipers at pretty much every college football game for years.



Why do they have so many rifles there? Is this like golf clubs?

"Ah, lets see, crosswind at 7 mph, protestor is at the 80 yard line. Hand me the Colt Chestburster."

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Jun 19, 2014

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

this was a Day One objection to Israel’s whole game plan. they loved hawking those control maps like they mattered.
if shooter games have taught us correctly then Israel puts their flags up in strategic places so the Hamas spawn points go away and since Israel will hold a plurality of the capture points the Hamas respawn tickets will start dropping which means the game will soon be theirs

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Jun 19, 2014


holy poo poo what

go yemen go, get their asses

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Jun 19, 2014


saving bees is antisemitic now

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