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DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

PawParole posted:

https://twitter.com/typesfast/status/1753595542658220229

Houthis putting in the work and getting results

Prosperity, guarded.

# ¿ Feb 3, 2024 20:35

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 06:02

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

The reason is that this "solution" has already been tried. After 1967, the Israeli's made a deal with the Jordanians to oversee the West Bank, and, while nominally under Egyptian jurisdiction, Gaza. The King of Jordan personally supervised the handing out of Jordanian passports en masse to Palestinians in the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem. However, these passports did not confer any voting rights or political representation of any kind. It was mostly done through the encouragement and support of the Americans, as Israel's seizure of territory in 1967 caused tremendous backlash. As the Hashemite monarchy was responsible for protecting certain holy sites in Palestine, their legitimacy was bolstered by their "benevolent" issuance of passports, even while participating in that American brokered deal to make peace with Israel.

The problem was, by not actually doing poo poo for the Palestinians, and not giving them any say in Jordan, a crisis began to develop. Something like a third of the people living in Jordan are Palestinian refugees with incredibly limited political rights, and that number was higher in 1970. I'm prefacing to say that this crisis has not actually gone away, it just happens to be at a low simmer at the moment. The events that follow are why any American brokered deal to give the West Bank to Jordan is not going to create any kind of happy peace with Israel.

In Black September 1970, the Jordanians massacred the PLO, and Palestinian civilians throughout Jordan. This was apparently coordinated with the governments of Israel and America, because the PLO in Jordan was (understandably) launching cross border raids into Israel and had a fair deal of sympathy and support within Jordan. The PLO based in Jordan could also be armed quite easily by the Syrians. The Jordanians were supported in this massacre, first and foremost by the Americans, but through leaked diplomatic cables we now know that Syrian intervention, which was almost certain, was prevented because Israel mobilized in support of Jordan. With the Syrian Army tied down as Israel went on a war footing, the Jordanians could mop up the Palestinians.

Since then, it's been pretty clear to Egypt and Jordan that if they accept control over Palestinian territories, they will either have a civil war, or will go to war with Israel for Palestine's sake. That's an inevitability of incorporating the Palestinians - deny them rights and the opportunity to fight back and you have civil war, grant them rights and you can't let your citizens be "mown grass" at the hands of a neighbouring state. Syria was "coincidentally" destroyed in the past 20 years, as was Iraq, the two states rated Israel's most formidable and staunchest opponents. Crazy how that happened. Anyway, even without Syrian or Iraqi intervention on behalf of the Palestinians, Jordan and Egypt are not nearly stable enough, particularly with the Egyptian economy on the rocks, to make peace with Israel after tens of thousands of Palestinians were killed, while at the same time giving passports to those Palestinians. Not going to happen.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 20:54 on Feb 3, 2024

# ¿ Feb 3, 2024 20:51

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

I am begging, pleading, for people to open a loving book

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jbZvyU4plk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xBBjxyu2MQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9437Yn80NTw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyV1Edrrt7c

# ¿ Feb 3, 2024 22:25

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

Isn't there a major connection between Epstein, Maxwell and Israeli intelligence services? Just adding to the crimes of a subsection of paedophiles.

Yes, but you're essentially not allowed to talk about it and it's treated like The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

# ¿ Feb 6, 2024 14:20

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Diogenes of Sinope posted:

Yes, I too remember when Iraq attacked the United States. That is the definite set of facts that led to a totally justified, provoked invasion. There was no fabrication of intelligence or deliberate conflating of Iraq with the Taliban, no sir.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2024 22:01

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

It's driving me insane that people in uniform in this country are wearing flags identifying loyalty to another loving country OR are wearing symbols of sectarian affiliation. Depends on where you stand about that symbol belonging to Zionism or Judaism.

Jesus loving Christ.

Feral Integral posted:

A report to the board said the thin blue line patch was worn to express solidarity among officers but its use had generated "controversy and concern" among the community, including Indigenous advisers who perceived it as a "dividing line."

I don't know poo poo about canada, but this seems cool as poo poo where indigenous "advisers" can at least suggest level-headed poo poo to insane police departments

Thin Blue Line is also banned among federal agencies because (lol I know Yanks will hoot and holler) in heraldic terms it's a defacing of the flag. RCMP was the first to ban it, and that was the ruling.

The flag represents the people of Canada, and the colours of the national flag are sacrosanct. Defacing it expresses disloyalty towards the public which uniformed members serve. The thin blue line also represents loyalty to a subset of Canadians and not sacrifice for the public as a whole, which uniformed service demands.

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# ¿ Feb 16, 2024 22:47

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Willa Rogers posted:

Do they make Canadians take loyalty oaths to Israel like the anti-BDS laws in the U.S.?

They're tried, but it failed to pass and was also probably unconstitutional.

Bill 202, Standing Up Against Anti-Semitism in Ontario Act, 2016 posted:

Bill 202 2016

An Act respecting participation in boycotts and other anti-Semitic actions

Preamble

The State of Israel is the strongest ally and friend of Canada in the Middle East because of a shared commitment to democracy, freedom and human rights. The international boycott, divestment and sanctions ("BDS") movement is one of the main vehicles for spreading anti-Semitism and the delegitimization of Israel globally and is increasingly promoted on university campuses in Ontario.

The BDS movement violates the principle of academic freedom and promotes a climate of anti-Jewish and anti-Israel speech leading to intimidation and violence on campuses.

The BDS movement's agenda is inherently antithetical to and deeply damaging to peace in the Middle East.

Ontarians have a history of promoting the right to work and study in safe and inclusive environments while standing against hateful divisions, intolerance, exclusions and hostility based on ethnicity, national origin and religion.

The Ontario Legislative Assembly denounces the anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli BDS movement for promoting a climate of hatred, intimidation, intolerance and violence against the Jewish people.

Therefore, Her Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Legislative Assembly of the Province of Ontario, enacts as follows:

Definitions

1. In this Act,

"BDS movement" means the political movement whose primary purpose is to boycott, divest from and apply sanctions against,

(a) Israel and Israeli academics, students, corporations, businesses and cultural institutions,

(b) corporations, businesses and cultural institutions owned by Jewish Canadians, and

(c) corporations, businesses and cultural institutions affiliated with Jewish Canadians or with Israel; ("mouvement BDS")

"public pension fund" means a pension fund maintained to provide benefits under or related to a pension plan provided by a public body; ("caisse de retraite publique")

"public body" means,

(a) any ministry, agency, board, commission, official or other body of the Government of Ontario,

(b) any municipality in Ontario, or

(c) a local board, as defined in the Municipal Affairs Act, and any authority, board, commission, corporation, office or organization of persons some or all of whose members, directors or officers are appointed or chosen by or under the authority of the council of a municipality in Ontario. ("organisme public")

Contracts

2. (1) A public body shall not enter into a contract with a person or entity that supports or participates in the BDS movement.

Same

(2) If a public body discovers that a person or entity with which it has entered into a contract supports or participates in the BDS movement, the contract shall immediately terminate.

Exception

(3) A contract is exempt from the requirement set out in subsection (1) if the public body makes a determination that the goods or services offered in the contract are necessary to perform the public body's functions and that the public body would otherwise be unable to obtain such goods or services.

Pension funds, college and university foundations

3. (1) Every board of a public pension fund and of every college or university foundation shall ensure that the pension fund or foundation does not invest in any entity that supports or participates in the BDS movement.

Termination of investment

(2) If a board of a public pension fund or of a college or university foundation determines that the fund or foundation has invested in an entity that supports or participates in the BDS movement, the board shall terminate the investment, in an orderly and fiduciarily responsible manner, within 12 months of the determination, unless the entity provides proof that it no longer supports or participates in the BDS movement before the expiry of that time.

Colleges and universities

4. (1) No college or university shall support or participate in the BDS movement.

Same

(2) If a college or university contravenes subsection (1), the consequences set out in the regulations shall apply to the college or university.

Regulations

5. The Lieutenant Governor in Council may make regulations,

(a) governing the consequences that shall apply to a college or university that contravenes subsection 4 (1); and

(b) governing any other matter that may arise in the implementation of this Act.

Commencement

6. This Act comes into force on the day it receives Royal Assent.

Short title

7. The short title of this Act is the Standing Up Against Anti-Semitism in Ontario Act, 2016.

EXPLANATORY NOTE

The Standing Up Against Anti-Semitism in Ontario Act, 2016 is enacted. The Act enacts various prohibitions relating to the support of or participation in the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement ("BDS movement") by government contractors, public pension funds, college and university foundations and colleges and universities. The BDS movement is defined as the political movement whose primary purpose is to boycott, divest from and apply sanctions against Israel and various persons, corporations, businesses and cultural institutions that are Israeli, owned by Jewish Canadians or affiliated with Jewish Canadians or with Israel.

The Act provides that no public body may contract with any person or entity that supports or participates in the BDS movement. If a contractor does support or participate in the BDS movement, the contract will be terminated.

Public pension funds and foundations of colleges and universities are prohibited from investing in any entity that supports or participates in the BDS movement. If such an entity does support or participate in the BDS movement, the pension fund or foundation will terminate its investment in the entity.

The Act also prohibits colleges and universities from supporting or participating in the BDS movement.

They'll almost certainly try again soon though.

Elite consensus is "The BDS movement is nefarious, but it's better to push back politically � not legally": Anti-BDS legislation in the U.S. is unhelpful. BDS should be fought subtly, without giving it too much oxygen

# ¿ Feb 16, 2024 23:02

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

RealityWarCriminal posted:

officially no. but Toronto and Montreal are very very jewish and you wont get anywhere if you're an antisemite*.

* The definition of which is entirely undefined.

# ¿ Feb 16, 2024 23:05

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

WK Kellogg Co posted:

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
16 February 2024 � Forum Update 01

On 15 February 2024, we announced a temporary pause on all posts destined for the Israel-Palestine conflict thread in light of the recent surge in moderation activity and ongoing developments within the thread.

The online atmosphere is continually changing and remains highly charged, with all available data confirming that the risk of posts being moderated or removed is at an elevated level. As a result, we have decided that all posts originally intended for the Israel-Palestine conflict thread will be redirected to alternative, less contentious discussions or threads for the foreseeable future.

We fully understand the impact this may have on your forum participation experience, but please be assured that this decision was made with careful consideration, prioritizing the well-being of our forum community, the integrity of discussions, and the quality of content shared.

By redirecting posts away from the Israel-Palestine conflict thread, we aim to provide our forum members with a more consistent and predictable environment, despite the potential for reduced visibility and engagement that comes with such rerouting.

AP posted:

in International Posting News 15/02/2024
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Just as a ship's transponder is vital for navigation and avoiding collisions, especially in challenging conditions like fog or during nighttime, a forum user's digital identifier plays a significant role in the virtual environment. It aids in the smooth interaction between community members and the effective moderation of discussions. However, given that all DIS data is publicly accessible and can be scrutinized by moderators or other users, some individuals opt to 'go dark' to navigate through sensitive topics without attracting attention.

While generally discouraged to ensure transparency and accountability within the community, deactivating one's DIS is permissible under specific forum guidelines if a user believes that visible activity might compromise the safety or integrity of their contributions. Experts in online community management affirm that 'going dark' does not impede a user's ability to engage in forum discussions, as the risk of 'collisions' or conflicts can be managed through other means of communication and adherence to community guidelines.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 02:35

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

If you remember the first week of the war, the rumour was the US was offering Egypt debt relief of all of their foreign loans or whatever to take the Palestinians on Israel's behalf.

Then, Operation Prosperity Guardian cut canal traffic by however much, the transit fees of which Egypt desperately needs.

So I would imagine that those two things may be related to the ongoing construction project.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 04:04

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Phigs posted:

That will depend on how many of them can pass for white.

I believe it was a reference to Exodus.

e: Didn't Egypt just build a new national museum and have a giant parade/pageant when they moved the known royal mummies from the Egyptian Museum to the new one?

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 04:31

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Al-Saqr posted:

the biggest reason why i genuinely think russia is not a trustworthy ally to any regional country in the middle east is because they have an agreement with israel and america to never give any local country SAM missiles good enough to deter israel or america, they are dogshit as allies.

Morbus posted:

1.) They sold S-300 to Iran and let Syria pretend to have some for awhile.

2.) The last time Russia went all-in on giving air defense systems to the retard dog fuckers you are so fond of, the ultimate result was leapfrogging american ECM by a decade before they all got blown up. Can't blame them for being a little more cautious this go around

After 1982 and the Beqaa Valley fiasco, it's hard to blame the Russians. On the other hand, Russia did fold under pressure when they provided S-300 to Cyprus and had to back down, allowing them to be transferred to Greece.

Morbus posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mole_Cricket_19

lol exactly

Iirc, Armies of Sand, which Gradenko was reading, goes into the... lacklustre performance of Arab AAA/SAMs compared to the excellent use the North Vietnamese made of them.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/AbbaKovnerNakam/status/1758601439692165346?s=20

People have talked about this Israeli myth of impunity. A 90lb female charging into a crowd like that is loving delusional unless you really believe in A) your own superiority and B) if anyone lays a hand on you the entire town will be massacred.

It's a small example but I think it's really important. This was also a thing in the British and French empires, where they attributed the ability of a single officer to "quell unrest" to their bearing, racial superiority, and the power of "White Man's Word", but in reality, the locals - sensibly imo - realized that it was easier to let some Etonian blow his whistle and brandish a revolver than to have the whole city destroyed if anyone hurt him.

As Tankbuster has said about The Mutiny, this myth of invincibility collapsing can get very dangerous, very fast.

e: and of course we carried that forward into policing in Canada today, which is very funny if you don't know the colonial origins of this type of authority

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r00yaFwZ5bc

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# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 15:21

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

But has no prior record of posts about Israel that could lead to heavy handed moderation.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 15:44

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

I did see this banger earlier

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 15:46

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

PawParole posted:

White radlib idiots who take Langley�s approved Marvel view of the world (Good Guys vs Bad Guys) but reverse it are so insufferable.

Some Guy posted:

it really highlights something that I've noticed for the past decade or so, that the majority of the modern political left has become morally and intellectually bankrupt where their opinions aren't based on any sort of principles but from viewing politics akin to sports, in which they think that the West is irredeemably evil and therefore anyone against the West is automatically good. It's the reason why the Left these days will rightfully condemn Israel committing genocide against the Palestinians but they will support Russia committing a similar genocide against the Ukrainians - they aren't motivated by any sort of principle but because Russia is against the West and therefore they think it's imperialism and colonialism is perfectly fine.

I'll put it this way - if Israel was allied to Russia and the Palestinians were allied to the US then a lot of people on the left who are protesting against Israel now (rightfully) would instead be cheering Israel on as Israel murders the Palestinians by the thousands, because they've literally been cheering Russia on even as Russia has murdered tens of thousands of Ukrainians and kidnapped nearly a million Ukrainian children.

This isn't a particularly new phenomenon - if you do enough searching you can literally find interviews where Chomsky denies the Bosnian or the Cambodian genocides because Serbia or the Khmer Rouge were against the West, but it's definitely gotten a lot more prevalent over the past decade or so.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 20:37

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

fits my needs posted:

https://x.com/jacobkornbluh/status/1758613522634666295?s=20

The Battle of Buffalo (also known as the Battle of Black Rock) took place during the War of 1812 on December 30, 1813, in the State of New York, near the Niagara River. The British forces drove off the American defenders and destroyed many buildings and ships. The operation was retaliation for American troops burning the Canadian village of Newark (present day Niagara-on-the-Lake).

Once in Buffalo, the British and Indians sacked it, burning down all but four of its buildings. Riall's troops also destroyed the navy yard and three armed schooners (the Chippewa, Ariel, Little Belt) and one sloop (the Trippe). Riall's force then moved on to Black Rock, where once again, all but one building was razed to the ground, before going back over the Niagara to Canada

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 21:26

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

fits my needs posted:

too bad nuland sent all of canada's artillery to ukraine. slava.

Slava.

# ¿ Feb 17, 2024 21:28

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Karach posted:

lol I love how every branch gets its own solo

for [unknown Canadian poster] (set to oompah-oompah music):

The Brodie helmet and khaki tropical dress with shorts, combined with Soviet tanks is top-tier aesthetics, js.

It's so weird how you never hear about Yemen, Somalia and Ethiopia having socialist states - only the mysterious famines, civil war and chaos after 1991. You know, that part of the world is just like that. :shrug:

e: I was listening to an interview for the 30th anniversary of Gothic Serpent, and one of the Delta Force guys just casually says that life has no meaning over there because people would try to walk to the market or well while US troops were shooting at Somali militias. He and the interviewer went back and forth on how third world countries are just that way.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 17:18 on Feb 18, 2024

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 17:15

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Karach posted:

Twilight Struggle: Red Sea knows what's up

EDIT: better pic

drat isn't it crazy that all of those states failed and the people of the region are inherently poor and violent?

Just like the people of the Balkans and Eastern and Central Europe, come to think of it...

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 17:46

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://twitter.com/MayadeenEnglish/status/1759257800377508197?s=20

poo poo or get off the pot already

I'm assuming they're trying to get more JDAMs delivered as well as guarantees of US protection/intervention.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 17:52

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

I meant more intervened, or provided a guarantee threatening to intervene, to sideline Iran and Syria.

I think they did something like this when they first rushed carriers there after Oct 7.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 18:08

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

The Israelis screwed over the South Lebanese Army pretty hard, leaving them hanging when Israel withdrew and Syria moved in. Hezbollah has also worked hard to build a relationship with Christians, sending out Christmas cards and things like that. This mirrors developments in Gaza, where Hamas has worked to reassure the surviving Christian community that they are their protectors against the Israelis.

France engineered the political structure of Lebanon to teeter on imbalance between Christians and Muslims, Syria as well, to a degree. Obviously this puts them in a precarious position where they might want to look to outside intervention in times of crisis. I think now most people have come around to understanding Israel as a cause of the crisis and resulting sectarianism rather than a good-faith actor and protector of Christians.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 18:26

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

If you're Lebanese, look at the plight of Christians in the West Bank and even Israel, how could you think Israel is the choice to side with here?

The Christian-Israeli connection is from people on the outside looking in, almost entirely American Evangelical protestants, or members of American-style Evangelical churches abroad. I don't even know what to say about that, other than it's detached from the reality of what Israeli occupation of the Holy Land has meant, and conditions for Christians in Palestine.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 18:37

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fCjTki-OgKQ

Top comment: "Israel has the right to defend itself from its own civilians."

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 19:13

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

i say swears online posted:

you're right on the first part but enlisted soldiers aren't deployed based on race. the enlisteds in the army are more likely to be minorities than the general public because selling your body to the empire is one of the few dwindling ways to find financial and health security in america. it's a very different issue than the press secretary being black

Also those were REMFs, and REMFs in the states lean towards minorities and women while the combat arms are mostly white and male.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 20:12

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Personally, I would not gently caress with the Dome of the Rock during the conflict triggered by loving with the Dome of the Rock.

# ¿ Feb 18, 2024 21:01

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

PawParole posted:

I wouldn�t call either the XKHS or the DERG socialist, both of them were military juntas that affected socialism for Soviet arms and persecuted the actual socialists. The DERG was straight up fascist, and XKHS never even translated any of Marx�s work into Somali.

Oh that sucks. I had hoped they were doing socialism with Red Sea characteristics.

# ¿ Feb 19, 2024 03:54

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Where have I seen this before...?

(continues to 340)

# ¿ Feb 20, 2024 04:14

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

The British had reverse car-brain (train brain?) in India, which is kinda funny

e: Unfortunately relevant in two ways, colonial policing and famine ,

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 04:25 on Feb 20, 2024

# ¿ Feb 20, 2024 04:21

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Really hate this genre of soy nazi explainer video about why what Israel is doing is good, actually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp2ZuJYxhig
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkMyA9ooilk

# ¿ Feb 20, 2024 13:30

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

For the gun guys ITT:

Why are the IDF M4s already missing so much bluing? They must have armourers and CLP?

I've never seen a rifle in this bad shape get signed out, ever. On the other hand, if you trashed your rifle this badly, why wouldn't you turn it in? (and get smoked by the armourer)

e: To clarify this is one of several times Ive seen this, it just happened to be the best photo to use, I don't think it's a one-off problem.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 13:50 on Feb 20, 2024

# ¿ Feb 20, 2024 13:47

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

err posted:

No clue how an IT guy got a following absolving the West's war crimes. Doesn't enough media do that already? Is he just an extension of OSINT?

The fedora really makes this for me.

# ¿ Feb 20, 2024 13:51

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Just imagine being in a weapons company where you have to carry those loving mortars, machine guns, grenade launchers and AT systems, and one of the sergeants is insufferably pedantic and twee. Then look at western military retention rates.

Rolling your ankle as you carry part of a TOW launcher, while you get sassed that - if you'd stretched, you wouldn't have overextended your lateral ligament, or whatever the gently caress ever.

DJJIB-DJDCT has issued a correction as of 17:46 on Feb 20, 2024

# ¿ Feb 20, 2024 17:44

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

OctaMurk posted:

They have the same target as before. The creation of Israel is basically successful implementation of the madagascar plan, ship all the jews somewhere else. Hell, its now OK (even encouraged) to say Jews have a double loyalty and are all israel sympathizers.

This is going to be a bigger and bigger problem now that you can mask off say those things in polite liberal discourse

# ¿ Feb 21, 2024 02:03

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Vomik posted:

who is the boogeyman in this case? a massive contingent of traditional Bavarian fascists who also happen to yearn for Palestine free from river to sea?

if I had to guess - the actual end result will be anti Muslim rhetoric and violence will continue to intensify in the west

Yeah exactly,

DJJIB-DJDCT posted:

but ultimately what enables these contradictions to be managed during the Cold War, when anti-Communism was as important as ever, was that the holocaust destroyed the European Jewry for all intents and purposes. Zionism enabled a Europe wide Madagascar plan. Israel provides an acceptable outlet to resolve what Marx referred to as the Jewish question. Europeans never reconcile antisemitism really, they just �reconcile� the Jewish problem by subtracting Jews from the equation.

parenthetically now we�re seeing pretty much all of the same dynamics re-created in real time, but with Muslims, because we again have waves of refugees entering Western Europe, then being exploited as urban labor, who are never absorbed into the national fabric. A wedge is created between them, and other workers, from having solidarity through the right mobilizing in defence of the social and economic order presided over by liberals, along this axis of Nationalism, Sectarianism and Whatever. So basically, nobody learned anything.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2024 05:21

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

lol the The Israeli Minister of Social Equality and Women�s Advancement saying poo poo even Leni Riefenstahl would have taken a step back from is v funny.

# ¿ Feb 21, 2024 19:47

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Spergin Morlock posted:

it really seems like Israeli politicians stoke those flames on purpose. there's two ways to make Israel "the safest place in the world for Jews" and Israel isn't doing so well at the "make Israel safer than elsewhere" angle

# ¿ Feb 21, 2024 23:40

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

Jakabite posted:

We aren�t good but on this topic we�re absolutely nowhere near as brainwashed as the US - our media and political class is but the population is pretty pro-Palestine.

Because of the King David?

# ¿ Feb 22, 2024 20:25

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

China�s stance is pragmatic because the US is so loving touchy about Israel that they would undoubtedly retaliate somehow, and it�s hard to know how. Suppose they tried to do something very stupid with Taiwan in response to diplomatic, economic or military links with Israel being cut off?

Well, that�s an insanely dangerous situation because we�re not talking about the risk of regional war anymore, but world war.

The US supported a coup in Pakistan because Khan didn�t provide arms to Ukraine. Whatever they did in Asia in response to China taking a hard line to Israel�s genocide would probably be deranged.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2024 21:35

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# ¿ May 11, 2024 06:02

DJJIB-DJDCT: Feb 1, 2024

ImWithHer88 posted:

whose to say that's good or bad

It would be bad for the world if China, who can see the US already flailing around as things go badly in Ukraine, Prosperity Guardian and Gaza, takes a position that will send the already-in-a-blind-panic US government, led by a senile president, into an unpredictable course of action.

The US is already openly obsessed with China challenging US hegemony and sees China behind their decline. This creates the same problem as Cold War anticommunism, because if the US already suspects a grand conspiracy, taking actions that help the Palestinians and hurt Israel to that degree will "confirm" the worst fears of the erratic US leadership, and nobody knows what they'll do.

# ¿ Feb 22, 2024 23:37

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