Why cookie Rocket posted:

Edit: also I’ve been toying with the idea of a Dune tattoo for my 40th birthday but I don’t want some basic bitch obvious stuff like the litany against fear or a sand worm. How do you visually represent “hero worship is a major human flaw that should be excised ASAP and also thopters are cool”?

sebmojo posted:

d u n e

phasmid posted:

We are wrong to demand his fiction be as good as his father's, just as he is wrong for sucking at writing.

He knows drat well that if not for Dune, he'd be working as an accountant or something.

andrew smash posted:

It was weird in the book anyway, the fremen are otherwise pretty egalitarian with regard to women, they fight and ride worms and all that poo poo too.

Zyklon B Zombie posted:

I started Heretics and I think it cemented the fact that I hate Duncan Idaho, his character sucks, and he is sapping my enjoyment of the series.

Dune: Does nothing, gets drunk and threatens Jessica, dies offscreen.
Messiah: Is a robot man, tries to kill the main character, awakens and does nothing.
Children: Is sad and confused the entire story, tries to kill himself, gets murdered by Stilgar.
God Emeperor: Is angry and confused and stupid the entire time, tries to murder Moneo because he sees two women kissing, climbs a wall.
Beginning of Heretics: Is confused and also a child.

Riot Bimbo posted:

Heretics and Chapterhouse were written at the end of his life, and honestly Old Man Frank was slipping in quality. Heretics isn't very good, but Chapterhouse is better, aside from a really weird side plot involving Jews In Space. I haven't finished the book, the Jews In Space stuff is only weird so far, not problematic or or whatever, but it's still really weird and out of place.

Overall the book is better than heretics to the point i've listened, about 33% of the way through.

Mister Speaker posted:

Also isn't it a big part of the origins of the saga (like, pre-Butlerian Jihad) that most of Earth's major religions held a treaty and amalgamated? That's how we have stuff like the OC Bible and Zensunni and poo poo. I don't recall any specific mention that "uh yeah the Jews just stayed Jews."

givepatajob posted:

That's what the XXX parody is for. That being said, looking forward to "Poon" next year.

Schadenboner posted:

He didn't want to be known as the third-best Dune writer.

hump day bitches! posted:

I hear the drums echoing tonight
But she hears only whispers of some quiet conversation
She's coming in, 12:30 highliner
Her moonlit wings reflect the stars that guide me towards salvation
I stopped an old man along the way
Hoping to find some old forgotten words or ancient melodies
He turned to me as if to say
"The Sleeper must awaken"

It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred Harkonnen or more could ever do
Bless the Maker and all His Water.
Gonna take some time to grow the things we never had

The wild cielagos cry out in the night
As they grow restless longing for some solitary company
I know that I must do what's right
As sure as Mt Idaho rises like Shai-Hulud above the Shiel Wall
I seek to cure what's deep inside
Frightened of this thing that I've become

It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred Harkonnen or more could ever do
I bless the rains down in Caladan
Gonna take some time to grow the things we never had

"The Sleeper must awaken"

It's gonna take a lot to drag me away from you
There's nothing that a hundred harkonnen or more could ever do
Bless the Maker and all His Water.
Bless the Maker and all His Water.
Bless the Maker and all His Water.
Bless the Maker and all His Water.
Bless the Maker and all His Water.

Gonna take some time to grow the things we never had

thatfatkid posted:

that would make dune more gooder but

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

Thread pretty silent these days; the sands of war roll slowly; the beefswell of my anticipation twitches intermittently; plans within plans, hands upon glands.

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

I don't know why but this has given me a vision of a Dune based family sitcom.

Watch every week as young Paul gets up to various hijinks, but watch out for the nasty Baron and Paul's rival, lovely Feyd!

Paul: Gurney, I don't wanna learn the baliset!

Gurney Halleck: But you must! How else will you attract a woman but with such a melodious rhythm?

Paul: But I thought I was supposed to move without rhythm?

*canned laughter*

Gurney: *shakes head*

Duncan Idaho (sticking head round the door) : Kull wahad!
*more canned laughter*


It'll be called "Full House Atreides".

immortalyawn posted:

Harkonnen Matata, such a wonderful phrase...

Chubby Henparty posted:

Lady Fenring, sorta

whydirt posted:

M-Usul Tracks

ATP_Power posted:

Like isn't there a conversation in Children where they straight up talk about how Alia is planning to administer 3000 vaginal contractions a minute with her Bene-Gesserit training and like Jessica or Irulian tell her that she can't cause it would cause Duncan to brag about his wife to the Honored Matres?

Riot Bimbo posted:

Honored matres are from heretics/chapterhouse

Possessed Alia trying to live forever is children of dune plot

BeanpolePeckerwood posted:

But the actual point is that shields are useless against FREMEN, my dude.

Pham Nuwen posted:

It is by will alone I set the catheter in motion

Ratatozsk posted:

So are you suggesting it’s better to Bill out than to Feyd away?

SpaceGoatFarts posted:

So somehow I completely missed the fact that Funcom is working on a Dune game based on Conan Exiles.

I had no interest in the later but I'm looking forward to screenshots of this new one

FBS posted:

TK-42-1 posted:

Alia is Maebe. Lucille is the reverend mother. Sweet Feyd is buster.

drunkill posted:

good dog

Tree Bucket posted:

There are no ants in Dune. This is weird.
Herbert admired dryland ecologists and dedicated Dune to them. He displays an impressive knowledge of arid ecosystems. He uses a variety of technical terms and lists in his appendix "invertebrates... the scorpion, centipede, trapdoor spider and the stinging wasp." But still no ants. To anyone with ecological training, it's a startlingly weird omission. It's like a film historian discussing giant shark movies without mentioning Jaws.
What makes it even more glaring is that ants are a perfect analogy for Imperial society. Galactic culture has its multitudes of workers, its specialised soldier-caste, its males who can "fly", its BG "queens" who control breeding and exercise immense influence. And so on. Imperial society is a hive.
This continues Dune's primary theme of humans who are controlled by ecological pressures- that is, animals. We get hints of it through names- Beast Rabban, Atreides hawks, even Muad'dib the desert mouse- and again and again we see humans trapped by evolutionary and biological forces:
-Paul fears the drive to Jihad, the great mixing of gene pools.
-The BG, for all their lecturing about humans, end up caring only about propagating their gene pool.
-The Baron describes his enemies as rabbits and himself not as a hunter but as a carnivore.
-Jessica encounters Stilgar's intelligence, compassion and dignity, and can only ask about his breeding.
-Even the famous dinner party scene, for all its subtlety and polished brilliance, is all preening and posturing and hissing, like stray cats facing off in an alley. The party chatter represents nothing more than organisms jostling for control of scarce resources; a more genteel form of the hawks circling and screaming over Liet Kyne's soon-to-be-corpse...
In contrast to the Imperial Hive, we find that the one group most subject to ecological pressures is paradoxically the most Human: the Fremen.* Every Fremen can breed, fight, gather food, build shelter, study, pray, research, sing. There are no castes here. (To quote Heinlein, specialisation is for insects.)
So, then: why the lack of ants? Maybe, Herbert thought they were too heavy-handed a metaphor. Maybe Herbert thought it was one bit of symbolism too many in an already symbol-heavy novel. But maybe- maybe!!!!!!- Herbert suspected that many of his readers- like the very characters they were reading about!- would be swept up by mystical terms like prophet, messiah, jihad and wind up interpreting Dune as a religious or mystical text: a tale of Heroes and Bad Guys and Destiny. They'd remain blind to Dune's ecological themes. Meanwhile the dryland ecologists to whom Dune is dedicated, and other such nerds, would uncover a more satisfying key to unlock the work- the ants- which are made obvious by their very absence. Which is about as Zen as you can get, really.

*Note that Duncan follows this same pattern- a scarred escaped slave who is also a musician, fighter, poet, scholar, freelance hottie, etc etc

Bubblyblubber posted:

Everything else in the books is nonstop PIV for Duncan, I'm afraid.

Joke Miriam posted:

Ok so why didn’t the Harkonnen retaliate by going to Caladan and heart-plugging some random rice farmers?