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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

SilvergunSuperman posted:

^^I was Reiser posting independent of this heh

Man Paul Reiser plays his part so well, it was cool seeing him return in Stranger Things (I fully expected him to betray everyone at all times)

There's a whole episode that literally becomes an Aliens homage.


I have been calling staple removers "Alien Heads" or "Alien Queens" since I was eleven.

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Julius CSAR posted:



Also:
“You’re an American!”
“No, suh! Ahm from Kentuckee!”



My biggest disappointment is that he never once said "Game over" in Edge Of Tomorrow.

Otherwise, it is a great bookend role.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Agrikk posted:

After Aliens came out, I bought an Aliens based comic that was part of a series. I bought a random issue and it wasn’t towards the beginning and wasn’t towards the end.

At any rate, it was a squad of space marines moving from point A to point B on an infested planet and one of the marines was a drug addict that used a Carmex-like tin of gel that she rubbed on her lips to get high.

Parallel to this story was another story of a hulking brute of an Android who was protecting a medlab or a science outpost of some kind against the Xenomorph hordes using his fists and a squad of cobbled together droids and robots.

The drugged out marine gets more wigged out and the squad of cobbled together robots are shown to have compassion and personality and when the inevitable encounter occurs, the wigged our marine blows away the Android’s lil’ buddy robot by accident and only the Laws of Robotics prevents the Android from kicking the crap out of Drug Marine.

There’s the inevitable big battle and the Marines escape and all the robots and the Android sacrifice themselves for the humans and are overrun.

The thinly veiled message here is that the robots show more humanity than the humans.


I always wondered what this storyline was and if the series was available as a pdf somewhere.

Does this plot of this one comic ring a bell to anyone?

It's Aliens: Colonial Marines, which is a loving trip of a book just for doing things differently: the whole series is predicated on the notion of this cult of transhumanists who worship the xenomorph as such a perfect organism that they are in the midst of transforming themselves into xenos by constant exposure to the Royal Jelly drug (the Carmex gel you mentioned). There's also a stay on a waterworld with fish-Xenomorphs, the introduction of mercenary "alien hunter" and total '90s generic comic badass Herk Mondo, Vasquez's hermanita who has developed a xenomorph-phobia, and a synthetic who has been built to fight xenomorphs head-on (with acid-proof skin and super strength).

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Jonas Albrecht posted:

Young Freud posted:

Herk Mondo

FogHelmut posted:

Young Freud posted:

Herk Mondo

If you snickering because of the name, you haven't seen the actual character yet.



He's like if Lobo or Cable wandered in from a superhero book into an Aliens comic.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Mar 10, 2019

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Millions of Crows posted:

Since we're on Aliens comics now I have endorse Aliens: Havoc
A salvage crew has to survive a luxury liner full of xenos, kind of standard story, but every page is drawn by a different artist. We get to see how Duncan Fegredo, Arthur Adams, Peter Bagge, Sergio Aragones, Moebius, Mike Allred and Tony Millionaire draw xenos and that industrial spacecraft style, amoung others.



Goddamn, I've got to see the Aragones, Mike Allred and Tony Millionaire versions.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Owlbear Camus posted:

Just looking at the covers I picture Herk Mondo as a character who exists as fiction in the Aliens universe. Like Hudson has a few issues in his foot locker and likes to read about Herk's wild adventures bedding aucturians and fighting UPP SPETZNAZ.

That's UPP Kosmospetsnaz.

Honestly, I love that the Gibson Alien 3 script is getting the love it's getting because I love me the concept of the Space Warsaw Pact as a counter to Weyland-Yutani exocapitalism.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Jonas Albrecht posted:

Earth as a planetwise quarantine zone/prison, full of dangerous monsters and scattered tribes of humanty would be a cool predator premise.

I've actually want a Predator movie as if it's Deliverance for Predators.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I don't even have a huge problem with CGI when it's used in certain circumstances. Like the Marvel superhero movies. I love them (shut up all of you). They're like 50% CGI. It works because it's a crazy world and the setting is super futuristic looking. But using CGI for every day stuff is just weird and you can tell that something is "off" which takes you out of the film briefly.

You're only bringing up the more obvious examples of CGI. Most CGI that's used for "everyday stuff" you will never notice: go watch Zodiac and tell me what shots are CGI in that movie, because you'll be surprised watching the "making-of" featurette. The hint is that any film made within the last 10-15 years or so about a real place in a time period more than 20 years ago will have used CGI to conform to landscape, architecture, environment of that era. There's an aerial flyover of a big crowd protest in Atomic Blonde that had to have been made with CGI because they couldn't get a million Berliners out onto the streets and rebuild a section of the Berlin Wall and other architecture of 1989 for no matter how much money.

Most non-sci-fi, non-superhero movies and TV will use CGI or other visual effects in a way that is imperceptible to most viewers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clnozSXyF4k

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

My puzzle for xenomorphs is that, if the facehugger is the sole method of reproduction, then there's a great deal of lifeforms that are basically immune to it, either due to size or the fact they have no lungs for the 'hugger to lay the embryo in. Like, how would a facehugger implant a chestburster into a gilled animal like a fish? Or how would a facehugger handle a whale or a dolphin, whose blowhole isn't anywhere near it's face*?

And speaking of xeno reproduction, we know that they can adapt using the DNA of their hosts becoming "the perfect organism", but could that mean hosts that would be suboptimal? Like a facehugger manages to impregnate a slug or worm, it would just end up as a limbless xenomorph. Or, lets say it runs into a mutant human that, thanks to haploid fuckery, never developed working legs (but got cyborg legs). Would that mean if this unfortunate mutant host produce an equally unfortunate legless xeno?

Also, I recall one of the comics mentioning someone surviving a chestburst but having a lung replacement, but, since there's some DNA stuff going on, would there be other changes for a survivor?

*yes, I know, it would attach via it's blowhole, but aquatic mammals can hold their breath for long periods, whales in particular. It's also not readily apparent it breathes through the blowhole, so I'm imagining some alien race of sentient, bipedal dolphins delighting in pranking facehuggers into impregnating their embryos directly into their stomachs, where they're digested normally. Also, the occasional 'hugger managing to get one implanted ends up producing an xenomorph with it's mouth on the back of it's head but it's sensory organs facing forward.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

This commentary about the sentry guns seems to ignore the fact that there was four marines, two civilians, a synth and a kid with three pulse rifles and 150 rounds between all of them. They could probably hold out against a scout, not against another mass attack.

Also, those sentry guns burned through 1000 rounds of ammunition. Even if they killed a third of the hive, that's 20 rounds per alien kill in good conditions with a target-rich environment. 150 bullets would go by quick.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Randarkman posted:

Nah, I saw it this weekend, Van Leuven tells her after the meeting that there are about ~70 families in the colony when Ripley asks how many people there are there.

quote:

Burke: How can they impound it if they don't know about it?
Ripley: Oh, but they will know about it, Burke. From me. Just like they'll know that you were responsible for the deaths of 157 colonists!
Burke: Wait a second—
Ripley: You sent them to that ship!
Burke: You're wrong!
Ripley: I just checked the colony log. Directive dated 6/12/79, signed Burke, Carter J. You sent them out there and you didn't even warn them! Why didn't you warn them, Burke?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Ginette Reno posted:

what the hell is wrong with you Predator 2 owns

Predator 2 is more a guilty pleasure. It's really one of those "urban terror" movies in the vein of Death Wish 3, with some predator action added on.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

dev286 posted:

Whoa that was Biehn??

Copper Vein posted:

He literally just looked like Hicks with a mustache.

Get this, he's Johnny Ringo in Tombstone.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Copper Vein posted:

Yeah, but he looks like Hicks with a cowboy hat.

You mean Hicks with a Van Dyke and a cowboy hat.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

Unfortunately however, it (indirectly) gave us this piece of rip-off poo poo. In addition to being an obvious attempt at cashing-in on both Aliens & The Terminator by having mashed both into one by the end, it's loaded with shamelessly lifted scenes and lines from the former. Tried getting through it in a group viewing and even with all of us drunk enough to 'appreciate' a lovely movie, this one just fell flat over and over again. We all realised we'd much rather being watching Aliens, or at least a lovely movie with a wholly original script.

I love me some Italian ripoffs because often times they do a new spin on a popular and familiar piece of film canon. I love Castellari's Bronx series for it's mash-up of The Warriors and Escape From New York and Sergio Martino's 2019 After The Fall Of New York is a particular favorite of mine, but his film Hands Of Steel is like some awesomeness with a mix between Over The Top and The Terminator (with a bit of Blade Runner, with a fight I describe as the Terminator fights Pris).

But, Bruno Mattei is unfortunately not a good remixer, with his films being very obvious ripoffs. In addition to Shocking Dark/Terminator 2, his Reb Brown actioner, Robowar, is basically Predator with a robot instead of an alien and adds nothing new.
Which is a shame, because he made a movie called Rats, which is about a post-apocalypse biker gang fighting superintelligent rat swarms, which I hear is pretty decent.

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

I wonder if the "79" in the date is a shout to Alien and its 1979 release. Probably not, but it does seem a bit too coincidental -- I can't find anything referencing dates in the original film. Well played, Cameron :golfclap:

The Wikipedia article for the film says May 25th, 1979 for U.S. and September 6th for the United Kingdom.

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 01:10 on Mar 19, 2019

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Having watched Love Death & Robots and remembering Katsuhiro Otomo's Magnetic Rose and some Space Hulk, I'd love to see xenomorphs as sort of pirates in Sargasso Sea in space. Like there was a colony ship that had a xenomorph outbreak that killed everyone, but the engines failed at some point, so it's just stuck, floating around like a Flying Dutchman. After the brief population explosion, the hive has also collapsed and its population cannibalized, so there's just a queen, a bunch of eggs, a few drones, and a lot of dead xenos that have been used to build the hive (like ants' husks to build the foundations of their anthills). But the distress signal is still active, so it invites salvage teams and rescue attempts, which get caught by the xenos and fed on and impregnated as hosts.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Tree Bucket posted:

Is "in the pipe, five by five" some kind of actual pilot jargon, or is it just techno-gibberish?

I know "five by five" is classic technical term used for signal strength. It's still used in some capacity, but I think most people nowadays use some take on bars, since a lot of strength monitors use a vertical bar format, like cellphones.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Shut up Meg posted:

The point when you get the order 'put all your ammunition into this bag' is the point where you say 'we're leaving now, see you on the chopper'

Followed by 'how do I get out of this chickenshit outfit?'

Now that I think about it, what ultimately causes the terraformer to meltdown isn't the firefight under the cooling system (complete with an explosion from the ammo cookoff) but a fully-loaded armed dropship slamming into it at top speed. I think the reactor would be robust enough to not be an immediate danger if struck by errant small arms, no matter how explosive-tipped. It would probably be the same timeframe or longer than what actually happened, but it would also mean really expensive repairs that Weyland-Yutani would be billing the USCMC.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Owlbear Camus posted:

One of the most low-key sinister early Burke lines is when he immediately and nonchalantly drops that he reads Ripley's psych evals. No HIPAA in space I guess.

TBF, HIPAA wasn't around whenever this was film (it was passed on 1996), but does make it better in retrospect. Burke is definitely a kind of a mansplainer and gaslighter who would calling women crazy for telling the truth.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

madeintaipei posted:

I think that is one of the more realistic parts of the movie. Send'em out there on a half empty boat, no planning, no reinforcements, no promise of juicy colonist's daughters. ColonialMarineCorps.txt

Think about the first movie. Through a combination of paranoid secrecy and cheapness, W-Y send a bunch of unarmed space truckers towing an absurdly expensive mining platform as the recon team. Guess they didn't plan on the refinery being as disposable as the crew.

I'm guessing some W-Y executive probably got fired for that.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

IIRC about the technical manual, the Sulaco could carry more troops, but, yeah, what we see is what they have.

Also, I recall the Sulaco itself had a reputation of being an unlucky ship. Like complete crew loss but the ship returned home type of unlucky.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Glenn Quebec posted:

I would have gladly watched movies about engineers doing crazy sci-fi poo poo with aliens as a tertiary thing. What I don't want to watch is Michael fassbender looking like a rentboy playing a recorder to himself with heavy sexual undertones.

I've said it before but the movie would have been better if Prometheus ended without the Chaplin or whatever xenomorph showing up.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

etalian posted:

They did the same trick in Saving Private Ryan, all the main cast had to go through a grueling boot camp experience except for Matt Damon character.

This was to make the cast have resentment towards similar to how their characters were upset on being sent on suicide/needle in a haystack mission.

It's fairly common directorial trick. For a controversial take, on School Daze, Spike Lee had separated out the lighter-skinned "wannabees" and put them in a better hotel than the darker-skinned "jigaboos" to add tension between the actors. Supposedly, he copied that from what happened on the making of Animal House.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

etalian posted:

lol it's hilarious how people go overboard physically in method acting like how Christian Bale went from The Machinist to the Batman movies

Also this owns

https://twitter.com/oh_pollo/status/1109375825089040385

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srDVrEwPdg4

drat it, I had just saw this pop up on my Facebook, but I'm glad I'm not the only one.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


"Get away from her, you bitch!" :haw:

Edit: the facehugger scene...
https://twitter.com/oh_pollo/status/1109376274173181953

Young Freud fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Mar 23, 2019

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Oh god, the neck "skin" on that thing makes it look terrifying. Reminds me of in Terminator, they could spot the first T-800 models (I think) because they had rubber skin.

Just something unnatural about it.

T-600s. Disappointed that we never see one in Salvation that hasn't been shot a few dozen times.

But yeah, he looks like a younger Mr. X...

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Mutant Headcrab posted:

No, the Queen is the new princess.

As much as people overlook Alien: Resurrection, Ripley was an Alien princess.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Xenomrph posted:

It was originally going to be Danny Glover, but he turned it down because he felt he was too old.

Another fun tidbit, Robert Joy's character in 'AvP: Requiem' was supposed to be Adam Baldwin's character from 'Predator 2', but Baldwin had to turn it down due to scheduling conflicts.

Legit surprised Baldwin didn't turn up in The Predator, but then he burned his last bridge with Hollywood going after Sesame Street for being too socialist.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Vim Fuego posted:

What did the alien in alien eat to grow from chestburster size to 9 feet tall?

Stuff.

Seriously, I think it was eating a wide variety of inorganic or processed materials from various parts of the ship, given that the Alien's unusual biology.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Mumpy Puffinz posted:

it defiantly ate some lungs and ribs

Also, Brett's brain.

BTW, getting back to that high school play, I hadn't realized it before that kid playing Dallas has a fake beard glued on. It's not in the trailer they made, but it's in the play photos.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Xenomrph posted:

If it makes you feel better, he's far from the first person to make that joke. :v:

In the original script, when Ripley, Brett, and Parker go looking for the chestburster, they were going to find that something (reads: the chestburster) had gotten into the Nostromo's food stores and gone to town.

Ultimately most sources don't bother explaining how they grow so big so fast other than "it's an unexplainable space monster", but once in a while a comic or video game will show a chestburster eating stuff.

One of the AvP games has their tutorial with the chestburster growing to full-size by eating a kennel of cats.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Didn't realize you were playing Captain Dallas there, did you?

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006


Even with a cats' limited lifespan compared to humans, Jonesy most likely out-lived Ripley.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Xenomrph posted:

I’d be okay with them going back to ‘The Terminator’ and cleaning up the stop-motion bit of the endoskeleton limping down the hallway, so it looks less like something out of ‘Jason and the Argonauts’.

Might be a hard sell, because Cameron worked on that sequence and it's supposedly a homage to Harryhausen and that film.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

ZogrimAteMyHamster posted:

Oh poo poo, of course the bit with Simpson & Lydecker was in the extended cut too.

Small bit of trivia here, but realising Mac McDonald (Simpson) came back to the franchise to voice Chief (and some other un-named NPCs) in Isolation was something I enjoyed more than I probably should have. I mean Chief is a character completely unrelated to Simpson, and his audio records don't even reach three minutes combined (calling the Working Joes "spooky bald bastards" soon became my favourite way to describe them though). Then there's the fact that Simpson wasn't even in the theatrical cut. This voicework could have been done by almost anyone on the loving planet but knowing that there was just this little bit of extra effort during the development of that game to bring yet another actor back makes it all the better to replay :allears:

Sneaky edit:
He's also in Batman, credited as "Goon". That's beautiful.

It's funny because I remember, when the Special Edition became available, everyone had already seen his brief appearance on Red Dwarf as Captain Hollister and were taken back when he shows up at Hadley's Hope, basically playing the same character.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Owlbear Camus posted:

Kane is showing genuine human curiosity at something truly unique and incredible, and would be able to reasonably count on his EVA suit to protect him from any foreseeable hazard. He hasn't seen the movie and doesn't know the egg contains the larval form of a highly aggressive creature with implausible biology that can cut right through his faceplate.

I'd give that one a pass.

Don't forget that Kane is basically a space trucker (erm, lorry driver) picking at some galactic roadkill, not a scientist (unlike the two doofuses in Prometheus).

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

Prometheus would've been borderline good (and the theories about hubris and the crew being idiots plausible instead of this rationalizations) if it didn't have a connection to the Alien franchise.

:agreed:

For me, the exact moment I went from liking Prometheus to hating it was the moment the Deacon appeared.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Hell Stink posted:

Watching Aliens and just noticed on Frost's armor the heart and arrow with Heath written in the middle. Has this been discussed already? AVP fandom suggests it's short for Heather. I don't like that backstory as much as and prefer to think of Ricco Frost and some dude named Heath in a passionate romance.

Frost is in the film bragging about having sex with someone with a penis, so him dating a guy named Heath could happen.

There's actually a bit of some writer showing his son and friends Aliens as a chaperone for a sleepover and he forgot about that line about "Arcturian poon-tang" until it popped up, but apparently the kids were hip to it already when one of them explained to the group that Frost was probably bisexual and that was a good enough to keep the film going.

Speaking of queer themes in the Alien franchise, has anyone heard about the bit that Dallas and Lambert are transgender? Supposedly, it comes from the character notes Scott, Dan O'Bannon, and Walter Hill came up with, the idea being that transgender people were a lot more commonplace in the future. Those notes were used as part of the background text in the W-Y arbitration with Ripley in Aliens. However, the Alien Legacy boxset scrubbed those details when the character bios were made as an extra after some fans became vocal about that piece of trivia.

Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

Shut up Meg posted:

Not to mention the MG42 WWII machine guns

Anybody who has played Brigador knows the MG42 will be around for a LOOONNGGG time, just under different names.

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Young Freud
Nov 26, 2006

:rip: Bill Paxton.

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