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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Dr. Killjoy posted:

The Octopus’ sex slavery operations were uncovered multiple times in the 80s and the Satanic Panic coverage eclipsed that poo poo hard.

What’s this? I’ve never heard of the Octopus, and google gives me nothing.

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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

In honor of Jeffery Epstein I just ordered a medium pizza with everything on it.




And I’m going to eat it in my temple to Moloch.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Boy I hate it when my two favorite threads come together.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Is there a cohesive timeline of what happened in Minneapolis yesterday? Cuz it sound like the worst thing imaginable(it is hell world after all), but there might be a less horrific explanation (less likely)

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007


None of this is new information, Saagar only cares about Barak and Wexner because they're (((those people)))

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

AntifaSupersoldier posted:

Going to bat for rich pedophiles in the Epstein thread because of id-pol brainworms. You hate to see it folks...

Siding with a nazi because he brings up the most basic Epstein 101 info, what a time to be alive...

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

In fact, Ehud Barak’s relationship was probably the reason Epstein got nabbed in NY. He was going into the Israeli elections against the beleaguered, corrupt-as-all-gently caress Netanyahu, who had a lot of relations to the SDNY.

After Epstein got nabbed, Israeli media (the vast majority of which is friendly to Netanyahu) went ham on the Barak-Epstein relationship. This is also notable because Israeli media was largely the only media to do so.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...eaner-1.7489402

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Saagar used to work for Tucker Carlson and is trying to become a Carlson Jr. He is quite fashy. "The Hill Rising" is a new version of "Crossfire" run by "The Hill" which is largely a neo-niberal rag. Krystal often makes good points on their youtube show, in fact it's extremely refreshing to see someone behind a news desk expound her points of view. But since they seem to agree all the time, the central thrust of the show seems to be "Hey, the anti-corporate left and the anti-corporate right need to hold hands in coalition, because that's worked real well in the past."

I didn't criticize the goon who posted the video, nor are the points made in the video wrong, nor do you have to discount the points made on the show because Saagar is a poo poo-head. But it's a good idea to be wary of right-wingers when they "I agree with you, Epstein didn't kill himself." They aren't interested in solutions that involve dismantling the power structures that require people like Epstein to continue functioning.


https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/06/isnt-right-wing-populism-just-fascism

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UA-cdz_CYqw

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

A4R8 posted:

I stand corrected, thanks. :stare:

You're quite welcome.

If anyone wants better sources, Whitney Webb is always invaluable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGtDj8drWvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kItJSpQeyCg

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Dumb Lowtax posted:

If Ghislaine was a Mossad asset, what made Israel suddenly decide to throw a huge part of the pedo ring under the bus by drawing attention to it?

That makes the assumption that Isreal and the Mossad are somehow cohesive organizations with common goals.

This was posted a few pages up, but there was a good summation of Historian Carol Quigley's arguments in The Yankee and Cowboy War:

"The arguments for a conspiracy theory are indeed often dismissed on the grounds that no one conspiracy could possibly control everything. But that is not what this theory sets out to show. Quigley is not saying that modern history is the invention of an esoteric cabal designing events omnipotently to suit its ends. The implicit claim, on the contrary, is that a multitude of conspiracies contend in the night. Clandestinism is not the usage of a handful of rogues, it is a formalized practice of an entire class in which a thousand hands spontaneously join. Conspiracy is the normal continuation of normal politics by normal means."

Broadly, politicians, intelligence services, financiers and corporations consist of petty actors with petty squabbles and have different interests and will often go after each other to stay on top, even against members of the same class or organization. The only consistent belief amongst them is that they deserve power, money and influence and you don't. An investor in manufacturing might bribe a politician for weaker environmental regulations, so they can dump sludge anywhere, while a real-estate investor might bribe a politician for tougher regulations, so he can rent condos to tenants who desire sludge-free living, but both would lobby the government for upper-class tax breaks and a lower minimum wage.

Netanyahu, Barak and the Mossad might agree that Palestinians are sub-human, but one faced losing office and potentially going to prison. It's not much of a stretch that he would throw the others under the bus to stay prime minister.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Elderbean posted:

You Were Never Really Here
Eyes Wide Shut
Society
Altered Carbon
True Detective seasons 1 and 3
8MM
Ex Machina (Not the sole focus of the movie, but a rich guy creates sentient robots and fucks them)
Kill List

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

gh0stpinballa posted:

which is also why it is vexing to see people like r*bert e*ans being so recklessly boosted as any kind of authority to people. he is also an enemy.

Does anyone have anything to back this up except "he writes for Belligcat sometimes?"

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

gradenko_2000 posted:


I could keep going but suffice it to say that Robert Evans is himself part of that regime change, interventionist ecosystem.

Ah. I see why they keep him around.

Even if those are sincerely held beliefs, woof. I guess that's why you pay to keep well-meaning leftist around, even if they're 90% against you, the remaining 10% that supports your regime change carries much more weight.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

My favorite part of pro-Maduro-overthrow pundits is they can't ever point to a single terrible thing the guy has done. It's usually "wow, this guy is bad and so goddamned crazy, he thinks the CIA and Columbia are out to overthrow him!"

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Doc Hawkins posted:

you can go to the Venezuela thread in d&d to find a bunch of people from there who have more specific complaints

Oh, I'm sure that the Maduro regime is full of mismanagement, graft and corruption. But the fact that I've never seen it pointed out in the media means that its small potatoes compared to the current US administration.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

I know it’s quite obvious that Duesche Bank works with the Russian Mafia, but it also seems likely that it became the bank the CIA uses to launder money after the BCCI bank got shut down. I mean it’s not like the CIA was going to stop laundering money just because their bank shut down, were they?

gradenko_2000 posted:

mmmmmm added some bits

mmm added even some more bits

Just because the president and Epstein both had dealings at Deutsche Bank that were flagged as possible money laundering and just because the President is listed in Epstein’s black book, and just because the president’s Deutsche Bank banker and Jeffrey Epstein both suicided at about the same time, and just because the family of the judge handling the Epstein-Deutsche Bank angle has just been targeted, and just because the Attorney General used to work at Epstein’s law firm, and just because the AG's ex-OSS father was the one that gave Epstein his first job, and just because the AG oversaw the pardon of the Iran-Contra perpetrators over the objections of the lawyers who are now investigating Ghislaine Maxwell as NY prosecutors, and just because he says he can personally confirm that Epstein did indeed kill himself, and just because Epstein claimed he introduced the president to Melania, and just because the Treasury Secretary is listed in court documents as administrator for a company owned by Epstein’s trafficking partner Brunel, and just because Bannon was being sent to meet with Epstein until just before he was arrested, and just because the impeachment defense was spearheaded by Alan Dershowitz who by pure coincidence was one of Epstein's closest friends, and just because the Labor Secretary was coincidentally the guy who let Epstein go in 2008. And also just because Gislaine Maxwell used to go out to recruit high school girls with Trump’s first wife in no way does all of this mean there are any connections here.
7/21/20, 12:20 PM

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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

The Sausages posted:

lol @ so many banks being used by the CIA then the people running it getting murdered

lol as in it's not at all funny

You got a sick sense of humor if you don’t think a CIA banker getting murdered isn’t funny, pal.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

nut posted:

the death is around the corner podcast, though barely putting out stuff now, has a five (5!?) part series on jfk that I will someday listen to. I listened to the first forever ago

I can't recommend that series enough. Also the one on Iran-contra is pro-listen.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Wasabi the J posted:

"QAnon is stupid. I just believe all the same poo poo coincidentally!"

Any belief in a elite pedophile ring of which Donald Trump is not a willing participant can be ignored prima facie.

pecan posted:

On that recent TrueAnon, Robbie Martin of media roots radio is p convinced steve pieczenik is involved (ex-CIA who was sent by the US to help "mediate" the release of kidnapped aldo moro but stalling negotiations until the Red Brigade just killed moro). If ur worried about CIA creativity, Robbie also mentions that Pieczenik underwrites most Tom Clancy novels.

imo it's roger stone and trumps electoral team that came up with it, not an agency. Remember, call others what you are.

We're all somehow forgetting 'Pizza Gate,' a conspiracy theory that shared 99% of Qanon's DNA that was being actively spread around by Alex Jones, 'Wierd Mike' Ssshernovich and a bunch of other alt-right weirdos who were in Roger Stone's orbit. Roger Stone, in case you've forgotten, was the campaign manager of a certain friend of Jeffery Epstein, and 'Pizza Gate' appeared shortly after court documents related to Epstein got released in which one of his victims claimed that both this friend and Epstein had raped her.

Qanon is just a Pizza Gate fan-fiction which is became wildly popular among stupid boomers. Whether is was created by Jim Watkins (a stupid boomer) or the CIA (largely staffed by stupid boomers, including Steve Pieczenik) or some random 4-channer (either a stupid boomer or a stupid boomer trapped in a younger man's body) is up to interpretation.

pecan posted:

if we’re posting Jeff Kaye articles I would heavily rec his most recent work crawling through CIA communiques to unearth probably some of the best domestic evidence of US biowarfare in the Korean War that is still denied to this day

:justpost:

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

The thing that makes me think it wasn’t part of a domestic gladio is that he seemed to have some concern for human life. He’s loving Ghandi compared to anyone we talk about in this thread.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

I remember hearing that Ghislaine fled the country during the exact window when the Customs and Border Patrol system went down nation wide. Has anyone found an article of something that links to that?

Because "random pot-head guy manages to take down the communications for a large section of the country for several hours despite it not being publicly known that said building was a major node for communications infrastructure" reminds me of that for, uh, reasons.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007


gently caress, I'll take it.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Happy Thread posted:

Could the nazi lady who got shot today in the capital have been an actual crisis actor, the thing nazis always accuse their enemies of?

Back in 2007ish, I remember when anonymous went after Scientology. I think if I were a spook, I would have realized then (if not sooner) the power of social media to unite people behind a common boogeyman. It was amazing how many people self-organized into an online political organization. Kony 2012 and Q-anon were also able to get people behind them in a similar way to various degrees.

I’d check out the recentish episode of the “Media Roots Radio” podcast episode on Q-anon. They do a good job of showing how Pizza-gate started from alt-right assholes in Roger Stone’s (then Truml’s campaign manager) orbit, and Pizzagate started when some Epstein /Trump court documents had just dropped. Q-anon might be from the same people, or an independent spin-off, doesn’t matter. Most of these believers do nothing more than post and hype themselves up. One moron went to the pizza restaurant and put a rifle round in the ceiling.(Which is kind of amazing, you’d think if they truly believed that children were being raped and murdered in a restaurant they’d all put a stop to it.)

Similarly, what’s important here is that there is a massive cultish political movement around Trump, which believes that he is the savior, because they psychologically need a savior. Like with Q-anon, 95% of Trump’s support is keyboard warrior poo poo, and what we saw today was the remaining 5% stupid enough to believe in their own hyped-up bullshit, and angry enough to want to do some violence about it. And one caught a bullet for it.

I don’t know if crisis actors exist, but I know idiots are a dime a dozen.

Happy Thread posted:

The Asia thread also spotted Falun Gong folks mingling in the Q-Anon crowd in photos from today.

She was apparently a "a high level security officer" in the air force which raises certain familiar flags. I wonder if she popped off some fake blood charges and fell backwards and then got whisked off to wherever Epstein is hiding out.

loving spooks (and cults run by loving spooks) are in the business of overthrowing governments and causing chaos to benefit corporate interests. What do you think their politics are? People who want world peace, universal health care and a wealth tax don’t become spooks any more than decent, loving, intelligent people become cops.

I remember reading how, prior to the 2016 election, the NY FBI field office was passing around copies of “Clinton Cash” because they are Chuds. If you think the FBI requires a higher class of human in their agents, you watch too many movies.

I can 100% believe that an officer of our Armed forces wanted to do a coup. That’s what our armed forces do. That’s what they’re trained to do. That’s the kind of individual they recruit.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007


Some groups of note in the DC rally included followers of Falun Gong, advocates of Mujahedin-e-Khalq (MEK), South Vietnamese, anti-castro Cubans, and at least one guy sporting an Azov Battalion flag.

Just a motley crew of CIA-backed cultist and Nazis who exist because the are funded by the CIA in an (often pathetic) attempt to overthrow their respective governments, marching on the capital in a (pathetic) attempt to overthrow the US government.

Granted, they might all be there because they share reactionary politics (and thus a love of Trump), but if I wanted to cause some chaos, I might call in some back-benchers on the ol' payroll.



e: I did indeed mean South Vietnam

The Atomic Man-Boy has issued a correction as of 08:07 on Jan 11, 2021

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Nicolas Maduro posted:

It'd be pretty funny if it turned out to be an actual attempt at a coup but these numbnuts were just too ineffective.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Tubgoat posted:

That's not funny. :nono:

gh0stpinballa's podcast is called Ghost Stories for the End of the World.

Oh poo poo, really? I've been listening all this time, and didn't know the author was a goon.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

bedpan posted:

i've already posted a big ol paragraph of words guaranteed to get you on the NSA watchlist. it is too late to keep this place off the watchlist.

Every man, woman and child is on the watchlist. Go hog wild!

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

nut posted:

that psychology is the main appendage to justify suffering as individual failings is a really amazing way to frame it

You can say the exact same thing about American Christianity.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Perry Mason Jar posted:

The 1/6 Op has already been remarkably successful in normalizing anti-protest surveillance and punishment. Even now in late April I'm coming across links for "Capitol Rioter Identified via Facial Recognition Technology" - thereby normalizing not just FR Tech (they used to write dystopian novels about just that) but arrest-for-protesting with a kicker of public support (no outcry is the same as support, mind). None of these people being arrested from FR tech committed a crime, it's really really spectacularly successful.

What do you mean 1/6 was an Op? The feds were extremely proactive in making sure it would be a peaceful rally by arresting the one guy who wanted to form an armed counter-protest to the mass of hooting morons at the capital.

I mean there was a massive amount of chatter on every social media platform by every chud group in the nation saying how violent 1/6 was going to be, but who could have seen it coming?

Granted, every revanchist movement with a link to intelligence like Falun Gong, MEK, Ukrainian Nazis and anti-Castro Cubans were also there, but they just went for brunch and got lost in the crowd, nothing to read into that at all.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

nut posted:

if time is a flat circle then maybe we haven't left the 1600s

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

So.... I took a break from the McVeigh book because it was starting to get a little heavy. I was inspired by a recent episode of the Qanon Anonymous podcast, so I cracked open The Mothman Prophecies, thinking I could laugh at some imaginative if silly yokels getting scared at a bird-monster, and I am now a firm believer, just not in the monster.

For preface, a quick overview of the book/events that occurred around the book:

From the summer of 1966 through December 1967 in Point Pleasant, WV, there were a number of sightings of a man-sized bird monster with large red glowing eyes that seemed to more “hover” than “fly” when it takes off. There were also a huge amount of UFO sightings in the town, as well as strange out-of-towners that would spy the residents. This continued until the Silver bridge across the Ohio river collapsed, killing 46. At which point the sightings ended and the town was left to mourn.

Through it all, “UFO investigator” John Keel travels around the town, getting to know some of its inhabitants and sees a lot of the UFOs (but not the Mothman) himself. The book is kind of hard to follow, because Keel continually jumps between current events in the town as they occur and other weird “UFO encounters” that he’s researched or sightings of “mothmen” in the past. Keel is an odd duck, in that he’s skeptical of little green men and monsters, but also believes that some kind of force is loving with the town and him specifically. Sadly he’s too much of a credulous boomer to realize that some spooks are clearly running some kind of operation on the town and are also loving with him, specifically. Which is the conclusion you come to after having sufficiently crack-pinged, and looking at the facts in this book, which are largely overlooked because everyone pays attention to the monster.

These facts are:

1. People in town are constantly being harassed by clicking and whirring sounds from electronic devices that they can’t locate. These often cause fear or headaches in the residents. One woman starts hearing a loud, horrible metallic crunching sound, and looks out the window to see a man running away from her house and jumps the fence.

One time when Keel goes out to see where the “mothman” is nesting, near an old WWII ammo dump, he realizes that there is a spot in the ground that fills him with intense fear, and when ever he leaves this spot he feels fine again.

Keels also seems to have a bunch of static problems where ever he goes. His tape recorder frequently doesn’t work and he does a TV interview in his rented apartment which is ruined because the recording equipment is just picking up static. This is all very reminiscent of the recent Cuban embassy “attacks” where the employees felt violent headaches and were likely being attacked by either some kind of sound or microwave beam devices. I think similar devices are being used in the Point Pleasant, and Keel walks through its path several times.

2. Many people in town (especially those that see UFOs or the Mothman) get harassing phone calls where they hear loud beeps and whirs or from impostors claiming to be a neighbor or relative. A number of people also had their phones tapped. Keel bears the brunt of much of this harassment. Someone is also opening his mail, as a transcript he sends to a publisher is replace by something else entirely.

quote:

When you unscrew modern telephone earpieces you will often find a small piece of cotton which serves as a cushion for the magnet and diaphragm. You shouldn't find anything else. But when I opened this woman's handset I was startled to find a tiny sliver of wood. She said no one, not even the repairmen, had ever opened up her phone before. The wooden object looked like a piece of matchstick, sharpened at one end and lightly coated with a substance that looked like graphite. Later I showed it to telephone engineers and they said they'd never seen anything like it before. I put it in a plastic box and stored it away. Years later while visiting a magic store in New York (sleight of hand is one of my hobbies), I glanced at a display of practical jokes and discovered a cellophane package filled with similar sticks. Cigarette loads! Somehow an explosive cigarette load had gotten into that Point Pleasant telephone! Who put it there, when, how, and why must remain mysteries.

You see, I've been to the police before .. . about my cattle rustlers. I guess they think I'm some kind of a nut. I went to the FBI, too. They came out to my place but said they couldn't find anything. After that somebody tapped my telephone. Maybe it was the FBI.

I impulsively stopped at an isolated farmhouse one afternoon and when I knocked at the door a grim-faced man answered with a shotgun in his hands. I started to show my credentials and explain who I was but he cut me short.
"I know who you are," he growled. "We don't want anything to do with you. Get out of here."
Puzzled, I reported back to Mary and suggested that she visit the farm to see if she could find out the reason for the man's strange behavior.
The next day we went back. I remained in the car while she talked with him for several minutes. Finally they both came out to the car laughing.
"You're not going to believe this," the farmer began apologetically, "but ten minutes before you arrived here yesterday I got a phone call. It sounded like a neighbor of mine and he said he was calling to warn me about a crazy man ... a real dangerous type ... with a beard ... that had just been to see him. Said I shouldn't have anything to do with him. Ten minutes later you showed up. After you left, I called him back. He was out in the fields. Had been all day. His wife had to go get him. He said he hadn't made that call.”

During the recent Watergate debacle investigating reporters documented the fact that some of the participants were not only longtime CIA agents, but also that these same men had been involved in the abortive Bay of Pigs invasion of Cuba in 1961, and some had been present in Dealey Plaza in Dallas on the day President Kennedy was assassinated. It is noteworthy that reporters, editors, and citizens engaged in the investigation of President Kennedy's death suffered harassment and telephone problems identical to those experienced by UFO researchers. Some of these tactics will be examined in detail further on.
However, I cannot accuse the CIA as being the source of the weird incidents outlined here. Rather, the phenomenon is imitative. This paranormal mimicry is difficult for many to understand but I come across constant examples.

I kept a careful log of the crank calls I received and eventually cataloged the various tactics of the mysterious pranksters. Some of these tactics are so elaborate they could not be the work of a solitary nut harassing UFO believers in his spare time. Rather, it all appears to be the work of either paranormal forces or a large and well-financed organization with motives that evade me.

Like everyone else, I was caught up in the games, mystery piling upon mystery. Someone somewhere obviously knew every move I was making, or so it seemed. I became very secretive, not even telling my closest friends where I was going or where I had been. Nevertheless, something seemed to be following me. I would drop in unannounced on a remote farm and soon after I settled down to chat with the residents their phone would ring and there would be no one on the line, or a series of loud beeps would ring out. The farmer would act astonished.
"We've never had a call like that before!"
The phone would ring repeatedly until I left.

I had other problems. I was going through one of my broke periods and owed the staggering sum of four hundred dollars in back taxes. The IRS sent a representative around to see me every single week. Once, two different IRS men turned up in the same week. (They were not MIB ... but were definitely from the IRS.) One seedy little character was so obnoxious and insulting that I actually grabbed him by the collar and physically threw him out of the apartment. Another let slip a remark about a movie deal I was working on (it eventually fell through) which no one, not even my friends, knew about. The only way he could have known about it was through listening to my telephone conversations.
Was the IRS tapping my phone for a lousy four hundred dollars? Was I on somebody's "Enemies" list?
I was complaining to the telephone company about my many crank calls and telephone interference, so I asked them to run a check and see if my phone was being tapped. A few days later my friendly telephone representative called me back.
"You were right, Mr. Keel," she said. "Somebody is definitely tapped into your phone."
I switched on my tape recorder and asked her to repeat the statement, which she did. Then I asked her to put it in writing, but she hedged there.
"Do you have any idea who's tapping it?" I asked.
“We can't tell that. All we know is there's a drop in the voltage that indicates that someone is hooked up to it.”

Three months later, however, I accidentally discovered what was probably the answer to many of my problems. A friend dialed my number and her finger slipped. Instead of dialing the last two digits—four eight—correctly, she dialed four zero. She realized instantly what she had done and was about to hang up and redial when I answered the phone! She told me what she had done and I suggested we hang up and try four zero again. Again my phone rang. I had two phone numbers and never knew it! I asked other friends to try the four zero number. Sometimes my phone would ring and I would answer. Other times my phone would remain silent but someone else would answer and would offer to "take a message for Mr. Keel." I called the four zero number from a pay phone and someone picked it up.
“Hi, this is John Keel," I said cheerily. "Any messages for me?"
There was an audible gasp on the other end and they slammed the receiver down.

Lol. So close yet so far away. :eng99:

3. G-men are going around tapping phone lines and generally spying on people. Whenever they are confronted they act odd and slink away quickly.

quote:

One night Roger Scarberry, Steve Mallette, and myself were driving around the TNT area when we came upon a large black Cadillac parked in the shadows. I slammed on the brakes, got out of our car, and walked over to the other vehicle. A well-dressed, distinguished-looking man was sitting behind the wheel holding a microphone in his hand. I tried to engage him in a conversation but he would only grunt. Obviously he wanted to be left alone. I never saw him again.

During his second visit to Point Pleasant Dan uncovered some Mothman witnesses I had missed. And he also came across some more baffling Men-in-Black-type reports. People up in the back hills had been seeing mysterious unmarked panel trucks which sometimes parked for hours in remote spots. There seemed to be several of these trucks in the area and the rumor was that they belonged to the air force. Men in neat coveralls were seen monkeying with telephone and power lines but no one questioned them.

4. Point pleasant is near an air force base, housing the Air national Guard (an organization rife with links to CIA drug smugglers, BTW)

quote:

Throughout West Virginia I had heard stories of large, gray, unmarked airplanes hedgehopping the treacherous hills. I knew the air national guard kept some cargo planes at the Charleston airport and that some training flights involved hedgehopping to keep below radar beams. But none of the flights reported to me proved to be the work of the national guard.
Drasin and Estrella had hardly started out for New York when all hell began to break loose. Late on the afternoon of March 31, a workman in the Point Pleasant lumber yard saw a glowing object hovering over the home of Mrs. Doris Deweese. Shortly afterward, Mrs. Deweese watched a luminous object zip across the sky and crash into a small shack on a neighboring hillside. The shack housed the transmitter for Sheriff Johnson's police, radio. It started to burn.


5. Rumors began to spread about an incoming disaster that would befall the town.

quote:

In addition to the continuing warnings about the December power blackout, the entities now began to tell me about a terrible forthcoming disaster on the Ohio River. Many people would die, they said. They implied that one of the factories along the Ohio would blow up. On November 3, 1967, I wrote to Mary Hyre and told her: "I have reason to suspect there may soon be a disaster in the Point Pleasant area which will not be related to the UFO mystery. A plant along the river may either blow up or burn down. Possibly the navy installation in Pt. Pleasant will be the center of such a disaster. A lot of people may be hurt ....Don't even hint to anybody anything about this."
(The naval installation was a fenced-in area in Point Pleasant, facing the river and tightly guarded. The men who worked there were sworn to secrecy, but during my first visit it only took me a few days to find out what was going on there. I am not going to reveal any national secrets here, but my private conclusion was that some admiral in the Pentagon should get his rear end kicked for wasting the taxpayers' money ... and for putting this type of installation in a populated area.)

6. Before the bridge collapses people are loving seen climbing along the sides of it at night.

quote:

After a month of brutally hard work, divers and rescue teams recovered thirty-eight bodies. Several other people in Ohio and West Virginia were never heard from again and it was assumed they also went down with the bridge. A number of UFO witnesses were among the dead.
"I talked to one woman who lives right by the bridge," Mary continued. "She says that two days ago she saw two men climbing the bridge."
"Climbing on it?"
"Yes. They weren't walking across. They were climbing around the sides of it"
"Was she able to describe them?"
"They were wearing checkered coats and black trousers.

So it’s kind of obvious that [/i] something [/i] is going on here, and a mothman isn’t it.

So here’s my pet theory:

We know from Saucers, Spooks and Kooks: UFO Disinformation in the Age of Aquarius, (which I admittedly haven’t yet read, but maybe after the McVeigh book) that UFOs had a lot less to do with aliens and more with military spooks trying to hide their operations and weapons testing by stirring up credulous UFO researchers.

(This part’s a bit more speculative on my end,) We also know from Tom O’Neil’s Chaos that after Operation Midnight Climax, the CIA was looking for ways to take LSD research “into the field.” I think that Keel inadvertently stumbled onto one such experiment and was too credulous to figure it out.

I think some spooks were trying to answer the question: What would happen if you dose a population with LSD and submit it to trauma?

Why would they want to do that? I don’t know, but say they wanted to see what happens when they use acid or some other hallucinogen to drug a whole city, like for example Havana, and see what happens when they do a bunch of sabotage and then do something shocking like drop a bomb, blow up a bridge or land a bunch boats full of marines. Would the fact that everyone is high on LSD make that easier?

Of course it isn’t feasible to manufacture enough LSD to drug the entire city, (or in Point Pleasant’s case a small town) but it may be feasible to put enough of it in the water supply such that people have long-running low levels of it in their system, and then wage a campaign of harassment and sabotage on them in and see what happens. Finally, commit a shocking act of terrorism and see what their reaction is. This was before terrorism was a thing in the political imagination, so it would have to look like an accident and not an act of malice, thus a bridge collapse.

Of course this would need to take place far away from San Francisco hippies so none of the subjects would be aware of LSD or its effects. A place near an air force base or naval base (or in Point Pleasant's case, both) would also be ideal, both logistically and because you might already be running some kind of operations to make people think they're seeing UFOs anyways. You can get more use out of the same personnel.

I think that this is also what explains the Mothman itself. People in town likely were just seeing a normal owl or crane (which is a spooky enough thing to see at night anyways), and because they saw it with a little bit of LSD in their system, they hallucinated it to be something scarier than it actually was. Then of course they tell the local sheriff and the newspapers what they saw, inviting further harassment.

The LSD/sabotage plot is pure speculation on my part, but it is, I think, the only good explanation where all of the facts of what happened in 1966-67 come together with any coherency. When I first started reading the book, I thought it would just be bored yokels making up sci-fi stories from the popular imagination until a natural disaster snaps them all out of it. But with all the other things around it...it becomes hard not to see an intentional and malicious campaign to terrorize these people. Whether or not that's related to a "Mothman" or a bridge collapse is up to your interpretation.

If you do actually care to read it, it's quite clear that some three-letter-agencies are loving with this town and that's my best explanation for why. It's a shame that it was all filtered through "John Keel, UFO researcher," because the book had too much nonsense for me to get through if not for recognizing that there was a real campaign to gently caress with this town and the Mothman was the least interesting part of the book.

It's also endearing how people in 1967 believe in their government enough that they would sooner attribute these unfortunate events to aliens and mothmen than malice :allears:

So that’s what I got out of The Mothman Prophecies, which was an otherwise bad book. So, thanks thread for making me think this way!

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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Delta-Wye posted:

Ah yes, nazi publishers that believe the djinns control the world :laugh:

They say conspiracy theories is Marxism for idiots.
It's no surprise that Nazis fall into similar, dumber, conspiracies like "Global financial institutions are controlled by Arab wizards."

nut posted:

^ Great post!

Thanks! I debated actually writing out that post several times thinking "If I write about The Mothman Prophecies in the Epstein thread I might as well start saving my toenail clippings or something." But I'd glad some people found it interesting.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

I always knew there was something fishy about ol' Edward "HEY EVERYBODY, THE NSA IS SPYING ON YOU! USE TOR FOR EVERYTHING! NO ONE CAN SPY ON YOU IF YOU USE TOR!" Snowden.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Marzzle posted:

does epstein thread have a VPN that anyone would recommend?

Probably any Chinese-owned VPN company. Every time you see the US congress or senators or any US-owned media crying about Chinese apps spying on you they mean "Please don't use these apps because we have a hard time spying on you if you do." Unless you are a Chinese national or travel to China frequently or something you have zero reason to care about the CCP lookin' over your shoulder, at least compared to any US-based service, who could potentially leverage your data against you.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Mola Yam posted:

Whyyyyy, like, why now?

How many articles have been posted in the last couple of pages (and in the Cool Zone thead) about the pentagon bringing the war on terror home against "domestic extremists" i.e. anyone who looks even remotely like they want to protest the deep austerity that's coming down the pipe and the cops that are so blood thirsty they make Robocop look like Sesame Street?

The just had to get the liberals on board, and the mouth-breathers that stormed the capital helped out with that a lot.

Now they're just building out the infrastructure.

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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Ham Cheeks posted:

If you had to sum up the CIA's true function(s) in a sentence or 2, what would you say?

Wall Street’s private police force. Much like regular police, you pay for them with your tax dollars and a service fee on every illegal drug you buy.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

The workings of the universe boil down to the interaction of subatomic particles.

Were you able to build a computer powerful enough to map their movements, you could predict with 100% accuracy which Eyes Wide Shut party filled with 14 year olds I would be attending at any given moment.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Centrist Committee posted:

yes this is the strong determinism argument and it is the dominant bourgeois philosophy. there are other ways of viewing the world and one’s place in it.

Liberals spent so long trying to debunk the divine right of kings, now they’re in charge and they desperately want that poo poo back.

“Turns out we live in a simulation and the matrix says my Silicon Valley vampire friends can buy your blood plasma” just doesn’t play like it used to.

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

Fleetwood posted:

he was atta gas

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The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

So in lighter news, I stumbled upon this the other day, and lmao. (Listen at least until the 10 minute mark)

TLDL: There has been a lot of speculation as to why Epstein and Trump had a falling out. Some had speculated it was over some real estate deal gone bad. But apparently Jeffery Epstein found out that Trump was only interested in sleeping with his friend's wives, including making the wife listen to his conversations with the friend where he reveals some marriage improprieties in an effort to make the wife mad at the husband. Jeffery Epstein of course found this unconscionable.

Note that this isn't the only source of the "Trump only sleeping with friends' wives" story. It showed up in Micheal Wolff's Fire and Fury and was also told by gossip columnist A.J. Benza.

So just to make sure we're on the same page, Jeffery Epstein, Mr. rape island himself, found our 45th president's sexual behavior beyond the pale.

I love hell world.

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