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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Darth Walrus posted:

Seriously, between Gerry Healy, Martin Smith, Mark Curtis, and the various reprobates of the RCP, there's pretty obviously something deeply, structurally wrong with Trotskyite communism.

My theory is the whole vanguard party thing is very attractive to people who think they're much smarter and better than everyone else and responsible for dragging those stupid ordinary people up to enlightenment. Seems pretty inevitable people with that mindset are going to go on to have OPINIONS once they hit middle age.

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Beefeater1980 posted:

Neoliberalism is strictly inferior to either democratic socialism or social democracy, promotes awful behaviour and is in theory eventually unsustainable, but that doesn’t make it fascism. Fascism is anti-globalist; it needs rules to prevent anyone from outside the chosen group from getting uppity and needs privileges for people inside the chosen group.

But neoliberalism is a form of capitalism, and fascism is a big part of the capitalism toolkit. So while you're right to say that neoliberalism is not itself fascist, it will definitely lead to an increase of fascism as it starts to fall apart.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Azza Bamboo posted:

How much does a bridge to Northern Ireland cost?

At least triple what the Channel Tunnel did even before you add in all the extra "efficiency" we've managed to find in megaprojects since then.

(based on the original estimates for the channel crossing with a bridge being at least triple the price of a tunnel - doesn't account for the much bigger engineering problems, plus the massive extra infrastructure required at either side - there were already ports at both sides of the Channel Tunnel, but there's absolutely gently caress-all on the mainland side of the shortest crossing distance)

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

Wait do you mean a tea urns like


Because that's the closest that I can think of to boiling the water with teabags in, except they don't boil, they just heat and keep temperature, and I've only ever seen them in industrial places and old school/church/county halls. Nobody's doing that at home.

When I was a kid we did actually have a tea urn that my dad "liberated" from his work when they sacked the tea lady and made everyone make their own. It got dragged out for family occasions when the poor old kettle and teapot just couldn't keep up. It could boil the water but crucially had a little cage at the top that the (gigantic) catering tea bag went into - it'd boil the water, then it would drop the bag in afterwards. It also kept the heat pretty well so we'd use it as a thermos for long car journeys and picnics.

The true hardcore way of doing it (still practiced at some cafes) is to leave two or three bags in basically all day, watering down the bunker oil-like substance that comes out as required.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Jose posted:

its cool how wildly racist you can be in the times now

https://twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1157600856499470337?s=20

Remember when Danny Baker lost his job for making effectively the same joke?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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BizarroAzrael posted:

Some podcast titles:

Agreeing With Nick
A Requiem for Pissflaps
Glinner's Super Rainbow Funtime Hour
Crispcast (the Monster Munch veneration station)
Five Go Spare In Brexit
The (un)Official Change UK podcast

https://twitter.com/lfeatherstone/status/1134821134833258497

Also not to piss on anyone's chips but if you make this podcast about UKMT jokes you're better off just keeping it as a conference call because there's nobody outside this thread who will understand or care about jokes about crisps or mandolins.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

Someone just announced that there's a chance I won't be seen tonight HOORAY

Didn't you say you had a UTI last week that mysteriously cleared up? Cos the two together sound exactly like my mate when he had kidney stones, they think the "UTI" was actually one of them passing.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:

I was seen! It's just a urine infection! I am now getting pillz

Hey, that's what my cat's got. Are they making you wear a cone of shame to stop you licking yourself too?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Morning UKMT!

https://twitter.com/A_C_McGregor/status/1157770804656033793

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1157924640083316736

They really are just directly copying the Republicans at this point, aren't they?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Pochoclo posted:

Famous fast food joint, Boots

Over 20% of the shelf space in the Boots nearest my office is taken up with overpriced sandwiches and soft drinks. They even have their own tills.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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OwlFancier posted:

Yank TV just weirds me out in general tbh. It's like a really enthusiastic version of skyrim dialogue, like the delivery is much more fluid but it has the same bizzare uncanniness.

Some of that is the writers room thing - because every line has been through 20 people it knocks all the individualism out of it.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Rarity posted:

I'm in Bristol West so WOOOOAAAAHHHHHHH OOHHHHHHH Thangam Debbonaire is my MP. I don't have any real issue with her and I don't think there's any real issue with her, though I suppose the CLP might want to open up selection if there's somebody they're really behind.

Isn't she the one who (claimed to have) reported someone to the police for making a death threat because they told her to get in the sea?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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SPADs are - as I understand it - officially contractors working for a given minister, so their contract ends when the minister moves.

e: Oh you mean sacking for leaking? Probably not, I'm certain they'll have a contract clause allowing that and with the above (and the way the Tories have hosed over employment law) they're probably hosed.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

efb on 45 being Trump but the idea is that all these mentally troubled lone wolvesterrorists either directly buy into QAnon poo poo or radicalize themselves around whenever Trump talks about "invasions" and "needing to take them out".

Yeah there's no Manchurian Candidate single trigger phrase that turns someone into a killer. You have to start with a large, disaffected population and bombard them with rhetoric for years on end, funneling them down the validation dopamine trail to more and more extreme rhetoric and eventually one of them snaps. I've heard the phrase "stochastic terrorism" used to describe it, and it's a useful term to describe what is going on, distinct from the traditional paths of radicalisation, with everything from ISIS recruitment to these mass shootings.

The point is you can't say that Trump's rambling, Alex Jones' ranting, or whatever you want to call what Prison Paul does is "responsible" for this any more than you can say deindustrialisation, suburban alienation, or the general toxicity of society are responsible. No one raindrop is responsible for a dam failing, and shutting down one source - even the President of the United States - would be as useful as standing on the edge of the reservoir with an umbrella. The entire culture is sick and these are all symptoms, and trying to shut down any one of them on it's own won't do the trick - you have to address the entire illness. Oh and get rid of all the loving guns, for fucks sake.

Also FWIW Q is almost entirely boomers, the only real overlap between them and these mass shooters is 8chan - of course that two such horrible streams of piss manage to come out of the same hole is itself a worry but shutting down that one site isn't going to stop it.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Junior G-man posted:

An area the size of Wales that we could literally do anything more useful on. I'm even willing to include nuclear waste storage. gently caress me.

I mean we could just use Wales for that. They're already pissed off enough, it's not like they can get any angrier. Or even better, use it for nuclear waste *and* golf together, kill three birds with one stone.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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https://twitter.com/joejglenton/status/1158664541057748993

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Zephirus posted:

Remain Stache dude clearly not having much luck with partners, given the err.. relative disparity in muscle mass



This is a startling accurate composite portrait of everyone who contributes to her various crowdfunding campaigns, IMO.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

If only the 5th century had strong nation-states they could have had public health infrastructure to treat people for imbalance of their humors.

I mean charitably, the Roman water system was a "public health" infrastructure and that may be what they were trying to get at.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Jose posted:

I'm surprised trepanation isn't making a comeback since phrenology seems to be

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-seeking-humans-holes-drilled-into-brains-063744047.html

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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BIG NEWS!

https://twitter.com/ForChange_Now/status/1159107586588925952

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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DesperateDan posted:

Camping is good with the right preparations, including, but not limited to the following

-toilet roll
-drugs
-insect spray thats at least 50% deet
-more drugs
-spare toilet roll
-beans
-some form of tent (optional)

My camping essentials:

- comfortable bed
- internet connection
- television
- heating
- flush toilet
- shower
- walls
- roof

I think I've just invented something, can I get a billion dollars in venture capital please?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Didn't know you could tow a caravan with a motorbike

My cousin tows a 100kg trailer with his Goldwing (with sidecar!), so I see no reason why not.

However for added convenience I think that my new invention should actually be immobile, and built near places I want to be, so I don't have to tow stuff. Also - and I'm not sure why this is important - it should have coat hangers with no hooks.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Necrothatcher posted:



Spotted in Hackney Wick.

They're a pretty big construction company in London and Essex. TBH I'm surprised that some wag hasn't taken a pic of one of their tipper trucks and made some funny, funny joke about it being used to transport certain people. The fact so many luxury apartments going up around Canary Wharf have "CORBYN" plastered over them is pretty funny though.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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baka kaba posted:

which noise though? CLACK CLACK CLACK or CLONK or WUWUWUW or TINK it's a nuanced show (I think the TINK is fake I bet they overdub it so it sounds like little coins in your pocket instead of big plastic things)

yeah I've definitely seen the whole gameshow routine happen. I think they even show them at the weekend now, I bet there are people confused about what day it is anymore. But someone posted a thing about how the broadcast tv demographic is basically nobody but boomers anymore, so you can see it relaxing into a comforting sludge of familiar content

The weirdest thing is that Tipping Point question setters are really lazy so if you do watch a marathon of them (I... may have done this) you'll often hear the same basic question multiple times from slightly different directions (e.g. "Which Queen gave a famous speech at Tilbury before the battle against the Spanish Armada?"/"Queen Elizabeth I gave a famous speech at Tilbury before the battle against who?"/"Where did Queen Elizabeth I give her famous speech before the battle against the Spanish Armada?" is one triplet I remember coming up).

I still stand by my assertion that Tipping Point is the best game show on telly at the minute. Not the highest quality or hardest or whatever, but the most laser-focused on - and well-serving of - its target demographic. You have relatively easy questions (so viewers feel smart), a personable host (who always makes sure to read the full question to settle arguments), and a gameplay mechanic that is hardwired into the pleasure centres of older working-class people.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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This is the best classical music:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWVFEVWJMz8

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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namesake posted:

You can tell me was murdered because the really insane conspiracy theorists have come up with something vastly more crazy.

Conspiracy theorists are basically hipsters. The moment any given theory starts to gain traction they instantly switch to something crazier. This is how you end up with holograms bringing down the WTC and TFL staging 7/7 to avoid having to pay out for a mechanical failure.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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CGI Stardust posted:

the thing that really fucks me up is that the corpse-sniffing dogs found corpse traces in the car her parents had hired, and it gets handwaved away with uh the killer actually borrowed the car before the parents did, and similar. what does it take?

I've not heard that explanation, but the rather more sensible one that a) even well-trained sniffer dogs give false-positives all the time, b) they're actually trained to find bodies in an advanced state of decomposition and c) that the body - if it had been in there at all - would have been fresh and only in there for a short amount of time, so it would have been extremely unlikely there'd have been any scent for them to detect.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

I'm sure you could train a dog to sniff that godawful sweet acetone and candy floss smell of fresh death, but idk if that's what corpse dogs are trained for.

Nah, they're for recovering buried bodies. Just to correct my earlier post though, I got confused about where they used the corpse dog (it was on the rental car the McCanns were using considerably *after* the disappearance) so it's possible there would have been a scent for it to hit on, but even that's not a guarantee of anything because like I say they give false-positives all the time which is why they don't just throw you straight in jail when the dog at the airport takes an interest in your luggage.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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How do people continually fall for such obvious trolls?

(Post applies equally to OP and Tweetman at this point)

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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It's certainly an impressive feat to be the stupidest Foreign Secretary ever given the field (especially since 2010) but dammit he's made it.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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OwlFancier posted:

I definitely should have bought a motorbike instead of a car.

Yes, yes you should.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Weird how - if the guy hadn't been quite such a fuckup - this would have got no coverage whatsoever, while someone with a red rosette looking slightly askance at smoked salmon is reported as Kristallnacht 2.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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OwlFancier posted:

I would imagine that maintenence for the bike is much cheaper than the car?

Depends on the bike, depends on the car. A single-cylinder air-cooled 125 is going to be much cheaper to maintain than any car, but once you get into the mid range of bikes the complexity goes up and the service intervals go down, because even a relatively sedate commuter bike is tuned to near supercar levels. That CA perennial favourite the SV650 makes over 100 hp per litre, a pretty eye-watering number for a naturally-aspirated two-cylinder engine.

Mind you it's got a lot better - even high-strung exotica like the RSV4 (>200bhp from an 1100cc engine) still has 12k mile service intervals. This compares pretty favourably to my old RS125 (35bhp from a 125cc engine) which needed a little service every 4,000 kilometres, and a big service (including complete top-end rebuild) every 12,000.

Also bike tyres and brakes tend to wear much more quickly than car items (I feel incredibly lucky if I get 10k miles out of a set of tyres, it's normally nearer half that) but at least there's half as many of them to replace.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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NotJustANumber99 posted:

Yeah but how many tyres and brake pads and whatever do you tend to need versus a car? Also lots of a car is underneath the car.

Two words - desmodronic valves.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

*laughs in East German*


I'm willing to bet a fairly huge amount of money that that thing has shorter service intervals than a CBF or any other Japanese or even Italian small-capacity engine.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Guavanaut posted:

It's apparently very reliable for engines of the time when new but balances out only having half a dozen moving parts by low fuel efficiency and a higher cost of running (like any that needs oil premix).

A quick google suggests 30k km service intervals which is *hilariously* optimistic for a rotary-valve two-stroke (if nothing else you're going to be cleaning/replacing spark plugs a *lot*) - but someone should have taken me up on my bet because I was going off what my mate told me about the service intervals on his CBF (20k miles) but he didn't mention that was a big service, and that you're expected to do an oil change every 4k miles in between. I mean an oil change on a tiny wet sump engine is something you can do in ten minutes so it's not exactly onerous, but that's a bit of a surprise considering how all the various high-strung Italian bikes I've owned (apart from the aforementioned RS125) have required oil changes only every 8-12k miles.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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jabby posted:

So a rough timeline:

1. VONC passes.

2. Vote to install Corbyn as PM fails by tens of votes.

3. Vote to install Clarke/Harman fails by hundreds of votes.

4. Stalemate.

We're going to end up watching the clock tick down waiting to see who will break first, either the Labour leadership or the Lib Dems/Tory rebels.

Downside: the Remain media will 100% try to blame Labour even though the came closest to forming a government.

Upside: the Lib Dems have made remaining at all costs their brand, and the Tory rebels will already be hosed if they've voted no confidence. So they might actually crack first.

5. Parliament is dissolved after two weeks and a GE called.

The reason for this offer from Corbyn is concern over the purdah rules meaning it's basically impossible for the Government to ask for an A50 extension even if they were minded to once this happens. The unknowable is what the EU can (or are willing) to do in that time - the assumption until quite recently is that they could unilaterally extend A50 but according to some the Withdrawal Bill wording makes that impossible?

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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Bardeh posted:



Interestingly enough, the bookies still think No Deal is less likely than not.

Always remember that apart from ultra-long-odds specials or at the very first moment they offer the bet, bookies don't "think" anything - odds reflect the bets that have been received to that point.

Also remember that politics odds are almost inevitably even worse predictors of the future than horse racing odds (or political polls).

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

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jaete posted:

I'm pretty sure the nature of international treaties in general and this EU treaty in particular makes it completely impossible for the EU to unilaterally extend anything. I'm also pretty sure that because of this impossibility they also don't want to gently caress around with it in any way since the EU kinda, you know, likes international treaties and abiding by them and all that.

e: goldarn a snipe. well, ok: Brexit - easy as 1-2-3

Yes, but the thinking until relatively recently was apparently that if an election campaign was ongoing a unilateral extension would be possible. Sorry for the vagueness, I'm paraphrasing something I read in a tweet I now can't find.

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