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I would vote for him and (usually) enthusiastically but Corbyn's ratings do worry me. I don't think a leader behind as "Best PM" has ever won a General Election. The cause is unjust but it is immaterial to the potential effect. Sometimes I wonder whether he should seek to bow out in a blaze of Johnson toppling glory - call the VONC, push a young female lefty or a middle grounder with some principles forward as interim PM, step aside for the good of the people, end Johnson and no deal in one fell swoop, drive off smiling smugly at journalists. That would leave the Lib Dems with nowhere to go but the difficulty is they would likely just portray the successor as a stooge and refuse to support them in the VONC regardless. Either that or others round the chamber would have wobbles. The we're out of parliamentary time and boned. Sometimes I think he should just call the VONC anyway, make Swinson vote to prop up this Tory shambles, they wouldn't all vote with her. But then if it fails we're out of parliamentary time and boned. In short I recognise the problem but haven't come up with a good answer yet.
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mehall posted:Absolute lol that the Lib Dems are having a fever dream about getting a majority, but they're literally just aiming for the slimmest round figure that would constitute one. They know they can't. They'll only be working about eighty seats max. It's all just rhetoric to suck folk in. Also see 'Cleggmania'.
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The Question IRL posted:The thing I find funny about this is people (not just you but critics, fans, even psychologists) all try to find a deeper meaning to the Joker's actions or suggest that hes an agent for social change. Nolan's joker has huge agency imo. In the opening act of the Dark Knight he ends mob rule of Gotham, achieving Batman and Dent's ambitions before the film has even properly got going. By the end he has united the people of Gotham against his philosophical target (Batman). This video is pretty much the last word on Nolan's joker for me - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFTmCqq-rYc - it essentially argues he is the Dark Knight's main protagonist. Far more importantly though I am very much looking forward to Parliament's Saturday night special! Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 12:51 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Nosfereefer posted:The real hero of Gotham is that dude who killed Wayne's parents. To the contrary. I think you'll find it's capitalism that allowed the Wayne family to flourish and have stuff worth nicking in the first place.
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Niric posted:This is literal text in the first Nolan film isn't it? Something about how evil Liam Neeson "uses economics" to wreck havoc on the city but is thwarted by good capitalist Batman's Dad building a monorail and staving off recession. Which seems like pure centrism.txt: mass transit and infrastructure projects can be good economic stimuli, but only when undertaken by hard-working entrepreneurs rather than the state Yes and no. Batman as a protagonist over the years has a serious case of the capitalisms however Nolan's look at it is quite critical. Despite all that investment Gotham is hardly doing well. Meanwhile the villains, several of which are also the main protagonists of their respective movies, seek to attack the established social order including capitalism/the justice system and well established and accepted philosophies, particularly virtue ethics. Perhaps the most overt reference is when the Joker literally burns a massive pile of money - the only people affected by it are the mob bosses who value it, it is rendered powerless. Batman never really fixes it despite his billions. Eventually he (symbolically) explodes, which you could read that as the old capitalist order dying. That's quite a simple reading though, they are very good movies from all sorts of perspectives. The cinematography in the Dark Knight is exceptional. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Oct 10, 2019 |
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Firos posted:
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I think the challenge many will face when arguing against Scottish nationalism now is that while previously the only real ground it stood on was exceptionalism and nostalgia it now has appeal as a utilitarian argument based on Westminster being truly awful for the forseeable and doing real harm to Scottish people. By illustration (I know they are not equivalent, shut up) few here would argue against a free Palestine. At the moment I doubt I would vote for an independent Scotland if the opportunity arose but I feel closer to doing so than ever before.
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Aramoro posted:I voted No in the last Indy Ref but in a new one? I'm not so sure there are now a lot more compelling arguments to leave and become a small European nation. Holy poo poo mate if you're thinking about voting for it Yes would probably win by a landslide.... ThomasPaine posted:Well that was certainly my position in the last indyref because we were neck deep in pre Corbyn hopelessness and an independent Scotland couldn't be worse and might gently caress off the right people. Corbyn changes things, and while labour is run by actual left wingers I'd be hesitant to vote for independence until I know how it all plays out ...but we shouldn't speak too soon, the wheel is still in spin.
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Oct 22, 2019 11:40
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BizarroAzrael posted:Are any Tories in safe seats stepping down? Would any of them give up their seat for Bojo? Not saying it won't happen, but it basically concedes Uxbridge and is a really bad look. I don't think it would concede Uxbridge at all, another Tory candidate might do better. However I can also see Bojo holding on (just) sadly, too many Lib Dems out there and there's the name recognition, but depends on how effectively Labour can put the squeeze on.
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Oct 23, 2019 11:09
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:The UK: not quite as poo poo as we thought "A bit better than Belgium" is probably the nicest thing you could possibly say about the UK at the moment.
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Communist Thoughts posted:So when you threaten to withhold your vote for... No reason? Because people were mean to you? It makes you seem petulant and unserious, so people don't respond to you kindly. Everyone finds it hard to accept when they are wrong and change, particularly in "public" and particularly when issues cut as deep into their identity as something like politics. They also often need to be heard first, like how therapy and AA works for some. I think this thread is hard to access for non-lefties or those just starting out because we usually talk about what we don't like rather than what we do, and we do it in a detailed way when those arriving often haven't gone beyond first principles. Not that we will likely change the world completely from our narrow corner of the internet, but if we want to help more people change we should talk more about what we're for and less about the fact we hate what they believe in at present. We might even learn a thing or two. That said they can help themselves by not being loving "I think you'll find...  "
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Oct 25, 2019 13:41
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:A litany of shitvoting. I am going to be posting this a lot.
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Alan G posted:As shite as DC Thomson are they are great at headlines, the evening paper once had ‘Petrified Parrot Plucked From Peril’ What makes DC Thomson shite? They write local papers and the Beano ffs. Sure it's hardly heavy hitting but what is in Dundee? They have a slight NAT preference but so does the entire North East so...
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It's bizarre, the most useless (and yet most dangerous) man in politics has got exactly what he wanted yet again. It's almost like he knows what he's doing.
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Oct 29, 2019 12:27
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Venomous posted:I'm in a Lib Dem constituency, and my MP's probably going to lose his seat Is it? I think it will be a few less than that although they will certainly make gains. Orkney and Shetland and Edinburgh South are a definite LD and Labour hold respectively for me. Think Ed West will be LD (first time incumbency, previously LD, terrible SNP candidates previously), North East Fife will be baw hair tight again. There will be other examples where I'm less familiar with the constituencies as well.
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Borrovan posted:Does Momentum spending count towards the limit? Depends on if it promotes Labour or its representatives. For example if they did a pure attack video called 'Boris is a bampot" that did not promote Labour in any way it probably wouldn't, stick 'vote Labour" at the end and it would. Promoting ideas or philosophies like socialism would probably be fine too. It can also depend on their legal status, what are they officially legally? I don't even know. If they're part of the Labour party it counts. Different entities can be declared parts of different campaigns but not usually at a GE. There are a lot of grey areas, loopholes and conventions in election spending. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Oct 30, 2019 |
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Oct 30, 2019 20:25
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Sanford posted:The most successful messaging I've found so far is "if not for Tory austerity, about 200,000 people would be alive who are now dead. That's 1000's of empty spots on the sofa, 1000's of people starting to make two cups of tea before realising their mistake, 1000's of people rolling over in bed and reaching out for someone who isn't there, 1000's of families missing someone this Christmas who should still be with them. And this is when the tories were on form, never mind the chaos of recent months." The most negative response I've had so far is "I need to think about this" from someone who told me in 2017 he couldn't see himself ever voting not tory, never mind voting labour. It's a powerful message. I flipped a couple of wannabe Lib Dems with this yesterday - Swindon was one of the chief enablers if not one of the architects of austerity and we should never let anyone forget it.
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Well this has been a long time coming. Some posters will know I worked for the Lib Dems (or their representatives mainly, but who's splitting hairs) for years back in the day, up until shortly after they joined the coalition. Since then the party and Labour have both changed beyond all recognition to the point I would be holding my nose to vote tactically in a Lib Dem/Tory marginal. Thankfully I don't live in one. Anyway I want to call on the thread to be firm but kind to Lib Dem supporters - many of them are good but misguided people shaped by their privilege. Ask questions rather than making accusations and more and more of them will end up like me.  P.S. With thanks to JB, couldn't be bothered hosting my own image. P.S.S. I will never, ever vote for Ian Murray. Zalakwe fucked around with this message at 12:22 on Oct 31, 2019 |
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Clive Lewis soooo good on Newsnight. 'Wont someone stick up for the good billionaires?' 'Im sure there are some but I can't think of any on the spot.' 'One of your MPs said there shouldn't billionaires, surely you don't agree?!' 'Sounds fine to me.' Inject this into my veins!
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