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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Ringo Star Get posted:

Yoda didn't want to train Luke at all because he knew how Anakin turned out - it took Ghost Ben convincing him to do it.

And he ended up being right in a way, as Luke was equally impulsive and ran off into a trap before his training was finished (including ignoring Leia literally shouting "It's a trap!" to keep running into the trap). The only difference is Luke survived his missteps and came out more humble and willing to learn, rather than being manipulated into becoming a Sith by playing on his fears.

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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014


What's this motherfucker doing trying to compare The Walking Dead to it?

"It's a prestige show! Everything ties into a larger narrative!" Yeah, and that narrative has basically been the same formula recycled every season with new characters replacing dead ones and no end in sight because nothing ever gets better and they just move on to the next location where they argue, shoot zombies, and kill each other while crying. They couldn't even commit to killing off Rick despite writing him out of the show so they could bring him back and are talking about keeping the franchise going for another decade. The Mandalorian is looking to be downright svelte and tight by comparison.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Goddamn that was good. The more the series strays from traditional "Star Wars style", the better it gets.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Jerkface posted:

bill burr's back up blasters looked to be cut down ruger .22 pistols, recognized the rear cocker

Which is a callback to the original movie as well, as Greedo's blaster was also a Ruger.

I also like that Bill Burr came within a fraction of a second of being the first person to say "gently caress" in Star Wars.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

General Dog posted:

I thought the reveal that Mando did a non-lethal run on the prison ship was kind of lame. We've seen him slaughter probably much better people without remorse.

We've seen him kill lots of people in self-defense, but the show has been pretty clear about establishing his character development from a cold mercenary detached from the world to a person with actual ethical concerns trying to separate from his shady past. He did use lethal force in every fight and only went non-lethal when he had the upper hand to do so.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

BIG HEADLINE posted:

I never knew Twi'leks had vampire fangs. That's gonna spawn so much bad :airquote: user-written content :airquote:.

Bibb Fortuna had them. It’s been a thing.

I actually liked how they set up the Mando as the straight man to the gang. You put him in a group of stereotypical bad guys and he just sighs at their bullshit, then when they try to turn the tables he immediately demonstrates exactly why he can afford to not take their poo poo.

It’s also satisfying after the first few episodes where he keeps ending up way out of his depth to finally have two episodes where he can truly show off the Mandalorian reputation.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Hobo Clown posted:

"Hey is it weird that the prison ship tracker beacon is on this other thing instead? Ah gently caress it fire the missiles"

They didn’t start shooting until they saw the station was launching a fighter to intercept.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Hobo Clown posted:

That would likely be the response of any space station that suddenly has a bunch of unexpected jet fighters speeding towards it.

The New Republic is the new government now. You don’t send out fighters to intercept them unless you feel like getting blown up.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I actually like how Bill Burr seemed so much like Bill Burr. He played the role like a normal Earth criminal who got dumped in the Star Wars galaxy, shrugged, and found a new crew.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Xenomrph posted:

The irony being that Bill Burr has historically gone on record countless times about how he doesn’t like Star Wars.

He and Mark Boone Jr. almost seemed like they were wanting to film an early Expanse episode instead.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Laterite posted:

I've liked every episode. It's the Star Wars version of Route 66 or Kung Fu. I'd love to see this go on for years.

That Forbes article criticizing it for not being a “prestige show” really just highlights the problems with a lot of those “prestige shows.”

Can you honestly name one other than Breaking Bad that was actually properly written and plotted out from start to finish? The Game of Thrones creators admitted after the fact that they had no idea what they were doing and letting the actors develop their own characters, and just farted out a lame ending. Lost quickly became convoluted and confusing. Walking Dead is still spinning its wheels, repeating the same formula with no end in sight as everyone wallows in gruesome misery. It turns out developing a good show that ties dozens of episodes into a complex narrative that keeps your interest for years is really hard.

This show actually reminds me of a less ensemble-focused Firefly and other 90s TV from when the idea of “prestige television” started existing. There’s an overarching plot and mystery (The Child) that appears in some form in each episode, but each episode is also a relatively self-contained experience with a different concept for each. It’s not ending every episode with more questions than answers, but is clearly leaving people alive with unfinished business so they can reappear.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I just hope if we get a Jedi their fight scene is them clowning on Mando again.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I actually spent some time in TV and film acting and it’s very far from an easy job. Even if you’re so naturally good that the actual line memorization and projecting fake emotions comes naturally without any effort, the standard work day is 12 hours before “overtime”. Action stars are also being paid to get themselves into the extremely good shape and highly toned bodies that the role and media demand, doing training for specialized skills like fighting, rehearsing fight scenes over and over for weeks, etc. Then there’s the constant press events, ADR for all your voiceover audio and replacing bad set audio, photo shoots, red eye flights to get everywhere you need to be, social media, etc.

The only people who get to avoid some of this are the ones who are so incredibly rich and famous that they get to dictate their own conditions and salary, so they can just give the minimal commitment and spend the rest of their time in their trailer. Daisy Ridley had fun because she likes acting and got to be the new Star Wars hero, but her job was likely grueling and very stressful from start to finish and she’ll probably be glad to finally get some drat sleep.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Hobo Clown posted:

Was that just payment for the acting? I would imagine they also get cut a check for their likeness being used on toys, video games, fast food cups, etc etc etc

Depends on the contract and, again, how much their agent might get.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Acting is a poo poo job. If you’re not the one making millions, you’re the one getting barely above minimum wage at best and working almost 24/7 to afford your apartment. Moving to LA or NYC if you’re not in the absolute top of actors is a great way to end up poor there instead.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

There’s some neat EU stuff they could incorporate for plots. I remember one idea from the RPG was a very rare sniper rifle that used super expensive blaster gas to fire an invisible bolt, combined with a disposable single-shot blaster you could snipe to fire a bolt from a different direction at your target. The only evidence would be some virtually unidentifiable crystal shards left by the crime scene.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

PunkBoy posted:

I'm gonna take a stab and say that Space Boston is Corellia.

That’s not wrong.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014


I think I just read a stroke.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Owlbear Camus posted:

It's storytelling 101, but nevertheless the set ups from earlier in the season and payoffs are satisfying. Mando's friends he made along the way team up with him. Doing horrific flamethrower violence in front of the child and showing the reaction shot of the flame reflected in his eyes sets up him using the force in a harmful way when Space Dad isn't winning a friendly contest of strength. The Child finally doesn't get rebuked trying to heal someone and it works, and wins over the dude from springing his incredibly obvious (come on Mando, it was obvious from the jump) trap.

I'm really bummed that The Client is out of the picture. Herzog stole every scene as a grubby die-hard bureaucrat trying to hold his piece of the Empire together solely by delivering every sentence as a veiled, menacing threat.

I think it’s a good way to kick the plot into overdrive. You obviously expect the assassination to go wrong and everyone having to shoot their way out, but introducing the true arc villain by having him gun down people ostensibly on his own side throws it all for a loop. Now we have a lot of questions about exactly who the Client was and if he was actually acting for the Empire.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

I do like that Mando and Cara’s decision to involve Kuiil was literally “We can’t just leave a baby unsupervised here.”

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

TulliusCicero posted:

I have a feeling the Client isn't who they say they are, but I'm not sure

I get the same feeling. The only real evidence we have of the Client being Imperial is his use of stormtrooper guards and Imperial tech, and Moff Gus and his troopers are all in pristine condition. We have no guarantee that he’s not a two-bit Imperial officer who decided to go warlord on a deserted planet with his personal retinue of troopers after finding out the Death Star blew up again and found out about The Child from a non-official source. Maybe Dr. Pershing is the one operating on “official” Imperial business and Herzog is butting in on the project for his own profit. Maybe Pershing is even the one who called in the Moff after the Mandalorian’s assault on the safehouse afforded an opportunity to call for rescue.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Also anyone who’s critical of the AT-ST being depicted as dangerous should rewatch ROTJ and what actually takes them down. Apart from a stolen walker shooting another, the only things to do any damage are two log traps that either totally crush the walker’s head or cause them to trip. Catapults and small arms of all kinds do nothing to them. The AT-ST we saw was immune to all of the weapons the village had (except for very precise disruptor rifle shots) and had to be taken down with a trap that exploited its method of locomotion. It’s no different than a WW2 scout car rolling into a village shooting 20mm autocannon shells everywhere until it gets forced into a ditch.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Frankenstyle posted:

I like to think that's just a retcon of a dumb idea that doesn't make sense. I mean landing on their wings and dropping a rope ladder would look dumb, but only being able to land on an imperial ship that holds fighters is just too dumb to excuse. That's like having a plane that can only land on an aircraft carrier. I'm okay pretending TIEs have always been able to land like that because the alternative is just to goofy.

It makes sense in doctrine. TIE Fighters are essentially a tethered projection of a ship or base’s power. They lack hyperdrive, shields, life support, or easy landing capability because it minimizes the chance of a pilot trying to go rogue and defect in their ship.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Just got out of the movie and man am I glad we have The Mandalorian to make up for that.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Yeah, I think Lucas just always wanted Yoda to be Yoda. He was always a mysterious little green space dude who serves the stereotypical “mysterious old mentor” role before exiting the plot. When the EU and Episode 1 started adding more members of his species anyway, he began fighting as hard as he could to keep the mystery basically out of stubbornness. A whole trading card run got pulped because it showed even a tiny part of Yoda’s civilization doing a thing.

It’s good to get the series out of his hands in some way. For every good idea Lucas has, he has at least five godawful ones that other people need to snap him out of.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Edmund Lava posted:

Are there any Moffs who are still cannon outside of Tarkin? I could buy Tarkin just didn’t peacock around because he was a very boring man defined only by his raw ambition. Less space Goering, more space Robert Moses.

I actually just read yesterday that Captain Panaka was made a Moff in both timelines.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:

TIEs don't have any sort of life support system for 99% of them (special ones probably are modded a bit), so Gus was rocking a TIE flight suit and armor/rebreather, and since he's a special boy he also has a cape.

You don't HAVE to wear armor or a flight suit, but considering there's absolute poo poo for shields and nothing keeping air IN the cockpit with you, having a suit and armor on so you at least don't suffocate isn't a bad idea.

I was kind of annoyed at the folding wings though. That would make it take up a TREMENDOUS amount of space when it's docked, vs just sitting there on its wings like we normally saw. I guess it's optional for em. Looks kinda silly though. When he goes to take off, are they just gonna drag themselves back across whatever concrete or dirt or metal to slowly raise the TIE back up to take off?

I see no reason why the repulsorlift can’t just lift the fighter before unfolding the wings.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Dapper_Swindler posted:

kinda looks like the inferno squad armor.

Inferno Squad armor is just modified TIE pilot armor, presumably to facilitate them hopping in and out of fighters or ending up in vacuum on a mission.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Donovan Trip posted:

Casino planet shows there's this whole bougie world of war profiteers who couldn't care less what's happening with the Skywalkers. This is what pushes Finn to accept his role in the conflict instead of staying on the sidelines or running away, that there's something he values fighting for that's greater than himself.

TLJ is working with the threads TFA gave it, I dunno I thought it went interesting places.

It’s this. The Canto Bight sequence does a lot to build Rose and Finn’s character arc that leads to the final lessons they learn and the changes they make in their identities. Anyone who thinks it “doesn’t do anything in the story” is only doing a really basic surface read and probably needs poo poo spelled out carefully for them.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

People only hate TLJ because it didn’t provide the feel-good nostalgia trip they wanted where nothing about their identification with the heroes is questioned.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

WHY BONER NOW posted:

Why didnt they just make a droid do the holdo maneuver

That’s actually one of two serious criticisms I have of the plot. The other being that Holdo was right not to trust Poe but also should have thrown him in the brig as soon as he started flipping out instead of leaving him with free run of the ship to start a mutiny, since he was already known for going rogue when he thought he knew better.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

freckle posted:

lol does pascal just do the voice like james earl jones?

Supposedly it’s a mixture of him and doubles currently due to his schedule keeping him from being physically on the set for the entire time.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Bust Rodd posted:

the only connection I can surmise there being between Baby Yoda and Palpatine is Baby Yoda depicting Wolverine Healing abilities with the Force is 'new' to the Disney cannon, so Baby Yoda spoils that surprise when Rey does it RoS

otherwise there isn't even a nod in the show's direction

Ahsoka was brought back from the dead by the Force in canon, so even if it wasn’t a “duh” power to bring back from Legends it was already basically canon.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Justin Godscock posted:

Before the prequels it really was the drat wild west when it came to fan theories about all the "unexplained events" in the OT. People generally took the EU as de facto canon but even then you'd find crazy stuff or stuff that contradicted the other stuff or the old "that's not a film so it doesn't count".

Leland Chee was hired to create an official canon tier scheme. Regardless of how mad fans got or what Lucas said, canon before Disney went:

G-canon: The original 6 movies and any statements by Lucas himself

T-canon: The TV shows

C-canon: Books, games, comics, non-theatrical films, and other EU content

S-canon: Old content made before attempts at making a consistent continuity and of an ambiguous canonicity (like the Marvel Star Wars comics)

Anything that was contradicted by a higher level was non-canon while anything that wasn’t contradicted was canon. This means, for instance, that the broad events of a video game were canon but gameplay mechanics weren’t.

When Disney took over they declared that the only canon was the 9 movies, the Clone Wars and Rebels CG cartoons, and all approved works after a certain date. Chee is still employed and working to keep the new canon consistent. That said, the new creators are free to use any aspects of the old Legends canon in new works as long as they can find a proper way to integrate it. We’ve seen enough stuff come back or get referenced that I wouldn’t discount anything from the old canon being utilized, like a reference to Xim the Despot or the XR-85 droid tanks.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Kaedric posted:

Isn't there a conversation with Quiil in ep 7 where he says flat out that the baby seems to be natural and not engineered?

Yes, though that’s on the basis of it not having the perfected design of an engineered being (“Too ugly”). It doesn’t mean he’s not a clone of a member of that species.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Rocksicles posted:

Sword nerds have debated this for eons. The balance point is all wrong i think was the concensus and there is no weight forward of the hand to use momentum like a sword. My brother has a whole thing about it if you get him going.

Pretty much. If you have a plain lightsaber hilt you have the weight and balance of a lightsaber. It’s really easy to accidentally carve yourself up using it for anything but a plain cutting tool or simple swings and stabs at a target without a lightsaber or blaster of their own.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

MiddleOne posted:

Well that and the obvious thing rich people have good access to that we're not allowed to mention by name which incidentally is the reason Paul Rudd and Kristen Bell both look like they haven't aged in 20 years.

Hate to ruin the illusion, but Paul Rudd does look his age. He did an Instagram story revealing his casting in the new Ghostbusters and he had stubble and no makeup, revealing that his hair is graying and he’s pretty wrinkled. He still looks good for his age but he’s absolutely relying on professional makeup teams and hair dye for appearances.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

John Wick of Dogs posted:

Yeah but he's not getting that done on like, Conan, or something and still looks young there

Here’s that Instagram story he posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syces0qwXII



He still looks good for his age but it’s a far cry from the movies and press events where he looks permanently 35. He clearly looks 50 here.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014



Someone do the needful.

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chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Cartoon Man posted:

Would a Rogue Squadron TV show be too expensive in special effects?

I don't know how much they could dedicate to constant space battles, but why not bring back Wraith Squadron? A unit of misfits engaging in commando, spy, and space missions as the job requires. It could be like a sci-fi take on The A-Team.

Edit: How the gently caress did you make the same reference I did while typing

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