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Angepain posted:100+ brexit party landslide inbound Angepain posted:parliament will catch fire two minutes after the exit poll Angepain posted:the skies will blacken and our children shall be born with fangs
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Qwertycoatl posted:Yeah, a minority labour government would have no difficulty passing this, since it's in the libdem and SNP manifestos as well. Only the tories don't want it. I admire your belief that the Lib Dems would actually stick to manifesto commitments.
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She's reportedly worth about 60 million, if she'd rather lose her money than her soul I have bad news for her soul.
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Dec 8, 2019 09:56
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Taear posted:I'm impressed that you've not been anxious from the second it was called tbh. I'm impressed that you do not understand good old fashioned british understatement and self deprecation.
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Dec 8, 2019 10:13
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I think there's something about TV that bends peoole's brains. Like the last leg, presented by two disabled men, and they're going all-in on the 'but Corbyn's just as bad' bullshit because that's what they think neutrality is. There is. It's a huge shame, I've met Adam Hills on multiple occasions and he's Good People, in person, and TLL started out really pretty strong on 'hey maybe we shouldn't be killing disabled people' but it's drifted progressively more liberal since the first couple of series. I literally stormed out of the room on one occasion in I think 2017 (it might have been the time they had Stanley Johnson on, or did they have Louise Mensch once back when she was a thing?) and I've just not been able to watch it since. The whole concept of satire kind of died for me when Trump was elected. It all became too real to joke about. Guavanaut posted:Reform what exactly? I suspect they mean reform in the same way Hitler meant Socialist.
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Braggart posted:Ah, so that's what will be standing in for Boris in the Andrew Neil interview, yes? Jo Swinson? I mean if he wins, probably she will be doing exactly that from here until the heat death of the universe.
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Ms Adequate posted:RIP Rene Auberjonois
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OwlFancier posted:It would be lovely if we had a system where parties were fined for putting out false advertisements. With the fine coming out of their next electoral spending budget, as an election expense. Or, you know, re-ran elections when candidates were found to have lied. Taking the money out of their next election campaign doesn't really matter to them when they're in power NOW and they won't be the ones doing the lying NEXT time.
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Dec 10, 2019 18:45
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mehall posted:Gonna crowdsource this. The 'past/now/future' video was probably my favourite out of the whole thing. You know the one with the guy in the silver jumpsuit with the electric shock collar or whatever it was? That was the one that made me realise that they were really pushing for the youth vote.
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Dec 10, 2019 18:56
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The S*n: Britain is so poor right now we have to use candles not electric. Totally normal newspaper. Gods y'all I'm freaking the gently caress out
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Slake Fistcrunch posted:i don't drink but jesus christ i want to right now loving mood.
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Dec 13, 2019 00:12
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No More Toast posted:I thought it would be bad but... not this bad.Even if the exit polls are wrong they won't be that wrong. Sleep is a good first step. gently caress's sake what is loving wrong with people jesus loving christ.
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Dec 13, 2019 00:20
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El Grillo posted:Is there a potential leader out there on the left of the party who could turn things around? Literally the only person charismatic and smart enough that I can think of is McDonnell. Rebecca Long-Bailey is the thread favourite I think, but McDonnell would have been my pick over Corbyn all along. We're not likely to get a chance to find out for at least another 5 years. I'd honestly not be surprised to see Boris join Trump as Presidents for Life at this point. I don't understand people
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Dec 13, 2019 00:24
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jimmydalad posted:I think Corbyn’s negative image is not doing Labour any justice. I think some people vote against him on principle. My family is going to be very insufferable and gently caress this country. I thought America had it bad with Trump but Bojo is probably 10x worse. You bet he’s gonna gloat about it in the next Parliament meeting. ANy leader who could have had the same galvanising effect on the Labour base would have had exactly the same negative image, probably on exactly the same issues. Corbyn isn't the problem, the fascists are.
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Dec 13, 2019 00:26
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Pesmerga posted:Socialism will not be passively accepted by those most likely to benefit from it, but it will be fought as if a foreign imposition. It's easier to believe the lie than confront the uncomfortable truth, especially when part of the uncomfortable truth is that it's your fault you believed the lie and it hurt you all your life.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:50
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Guavanaut posted:Every good queer scene (and probably half of the bad ones) I've known has been proley as gently caress and proud of it. The reason that the 'working class' is depicted as straight white men is because of intersectional biases which includes class biases. The Sun doesn't tell the working class to hate the poofs because that's what working classes do, it does that because that's what elites do and it's another way to distract from class issues. (And the only time they let up on that is when they can use it to bash Muslims.) Sadly traditional british values are not proley as gently caress, they are feudalist.
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Zakutambah posted:This is why focusing on tangible things like the NHS can be a good strategy. Make a bit of a narrative next time on the great social institutions like NHS, trains, etc as a point of national pride; and how ratfucked they've become since tory/private rule. People DID demand that, Constantly, repeatedly. It doesn't matter if you demand answers from a con man, he's not going to give them, he's just going to scream the slogan even louder and rely on the fact that people don't actually want answers, they want slogans. Makes me wonder how we could have done if every Labour interviewee just screamed JAM AND SOCIALISM down the camera lens at every question.
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Awful CompSloth posted:I don't know if anyone was just talking about this, but Corbyn should have said gently caress it and have been pushing for a Labour Exit this whole time. It turns out everyone really did just want Brexit done and they voted for that over socialist domestic policies which they actually liked. THIS WAS LITERALLY LABOUR POLICY FOR gently caress'S SAKE.
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Dec 13, 2019 22:59
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OwlFancier posted:It's weird, I haven't cried since before the result but every time I try to articulate how I feel and what I positively believe in, I start. It's not the present I'm in that's upsetting as much as that I can taste the world I want, but for the arrangement of cells in a few million heads. Pretty much. I had a bit of an argument with my wife as soon as I got home (specifically about the assertion that better PR for Labour could have changed the result, which is a loving fantasy) and we both cried for like ten minutes. I've felt utterly hopeless for months, but I've been desperately clinging to the possibility of change. That's gone. I genuinely don't know what to do any more. But I got up and went to work I guess. It helps that work is at least helping the world a bit. Zakutambah posted:I'm not trying to be glib, I honestly could be misremembering this: No, it was specific deal and remain only. Which is the only Labour brexit policy that could ever have realistically got into any Labour manifesto, people are loving dreaming if they think a policy of left-brexit would have got through Conference, let alone that any putative Corbyn government could have got said deal through Parliament.
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Hungry posted:I still think there's going to be quite the rude awakening once the realities of Brexit come crashing through the proverbial wall, but now I'm less certain most people will even care. They won't be in a position to understand who is at fault. It will be blamed on the EU, on immigrants, on brown people, on Labour, on anyone but those who caused it. Just like always. And people will believe the lie because they don't want to face the uncomfortable truth that the hosed themselves in the ear with a pitchfork.
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Dec 13, 2019 23:35
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OwlFancier posted:No. The government does not run on kindness, it runs on power, and it has the power to do what it wants with or without their input. Equally, at this point, sadly, I feel like the SNP have a solid mandate to unilaterally withdraw from the union. It doesn't really matter at that point if Westminster lets them.
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jaete posted:The main problem with Brexit is that Brexit is inherently a stupid bullshit idea for morons, which was never going to make sense or work no matter how you do it I legit don't think our democracy, such as it is, survives the next 5 years. The tories can cram through every bit of gerrymandering and disenfranchisement they want at the moment to make the next election irrelevant.
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jaete posted:It's interesting I think to try to ponder how one would do Brexit properly, as in, how to make it actually make sense. There is no way for brexit to ever make sense. It has always been a con.
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Rarity posted:Hi everyone, sending big love your way. In the wake of yesterday a number of us on Discord have been talking about setting up a UKMT Solidarity Fund to help support the more vulnerable members of our community. Obviously this comes with a lot of things that need to be worked out such as who's controlling it, how do we give out payments and how do we prevent it from being abused among other things. We think that these are questions that should be answered collectively and democratically so I'm giving advance notice of a meeting on Discord on Wednesday 18th December at 8pm so that we can work this out together. Please do drop by. You are good people and I still need to join the Discrod. If anything's giving me even a glimmer of hope it's that this is either the second or third local community (for a given value of local in this case) group I've seen forming to do this kind of thing today. LemonyTang posted:A few of these slogans are getting there, but remember they need to fit seamlessly into sentences/answers so you can throw them out constantly. Security through society is a bit mealy (as another poster pointed out) to just blurt out as many times as you possibly can. I think less metaphor and something more focused on trust or renewal would be beneficial to what I see as one of the major problems Labour has: it's not that socialism isn't popular, we know from polling that Labour's manifesto overwhelmingly is, the problem is the 'public' don't trust Labour to deliver it. It's difficult to believe that the public will ever trust anyone who is in a position to promise it, because the way they decide who to trust is so corrupted by capitalist interest. I suspect that at this point the only way forward is with force.
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Azza Bamboo posted:It should do a vote, branding it as a referendum even though it has no legal binding. Referenda don't have legal weight anyway, it would just be a normal referendum. I'm pretty sure the Scottish parliament could hive off the what... few million quid it would cost to do the logistics for it.
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Zakutambah posted:I swore off the piss during the week as part of getting healthier, and yesterday I was seriously starting to eye the vinegar for shots. I don't drink. My mind keeps drifting to the bottle of some horrible poo poo some friends of ours bought us once that's like 40% alcohol at the moment. It's in one of the kitchen cupboards. Seems like a bad shout though.
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Hungry posted:I doubt we'll have a re-run of the IRA part - at least, not that quickly - but I'd put a few bob on riots/unrest in the next couple of years, once the economic impact bites down. Given that people are literally marching in Glasgow right now, I'd be surprised if it takes that long. I genuinely don't understand what people think marching will do. I've been to several protest marches and they've all been polite and careful and made everyone present feel better about themselves but. loving MILLIONS of people marched on Parliament, what... 6 times last year? And it didn't make a single loving jot of difference. All the marches in the world won't make a difference when the people in charge simply don't care that people are angry as long as they're polite about it. Jollity Farm posted:I feel that if I did drink, I would end up becoming an alcoholic, but people just say "you can't possibly know that". This is part of the reason I don't. But honestly, I think a LOT more people are alcoholics than actually realise it. I've lost count of how many times I've been horrified by people who are simply unable to enjoy social functions without an alcholoic drink.
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oxford_town posted:it's difficult to see a brexit plan that would have gone down well for labour. going for 'get brexit done' would have caused a massive schism in the party but in theory it might have changed the debate from 'brexit vs corbyn' to 'policy vs policy'. whether or not that would have been sufficient to secure a working labour government is counterfactual speculation It wouldn't have. The Lib Dems would have rased merry hell about it, and the Tories would have just pivoted to something more racist. Nothing would have got the national conversation to discuss policy, because the con artists don't have any loving policy to discuss.
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Zakutambah posted:Is this Katie Hopkins a Sacha Baron Cohen persona? I don't think Sacha Baron Cohen would have actually written something that lovely, just like the Thick of It writers could never have predicted this nonsense.
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oxford_town posted:the lib dems raised hell about brexit in this election, to the point of presenting themselves as a plausible majority governing party at the beginning of their campaign, hoping to get the centre/centre-left of europhiles who were looking for an excuse to ditch corbyn (who was probably a lexit euroskeptic at heart). Whether or not it might have changed the outcome, the point was that it might have changed the discussion to one about policy. It simply wouldn't have, because the policy discussion is one the tories lose, and the people who set the terms of the conversation don't want the tories to lose, so they would have found something else to be the hot button issue. Or they would have just ignored what Labour was doing, and lied about it. Like they have been doing for ten loving years.
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OwlFancier posted:If anyone looks at the mess that was the position labour was put in re: brexit and wants to relitigate that next election they need to be taken out back and shot. I'm pretty sure the Tories will want to relitigate it next election given they won't be loving finished with it. Which I admit, isn't actually an argument against this statement.
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jabby posted:Yeah, Labour were kind of hosed by Brexit. Conversely, it's not remotely undemocratic to invalidate the result because it was based on a foundation of lies and bullshit. But, you know that would take some actual courage. jabby posted:who has some degree of socialist principles. Sorry to tell you but socialist principles are exactly the kind of baggage that will see any putative labour leader treated exactly the same way Corbyn was, regardless of their background. That doesn't mean it's not a thing we should be pursuing, but... it's something we need to understand. With the press in the state it is, and the money concentrated where it is, anyone who is proposing any kind of policy that will change that, is going to be buried up to their neck in poo poo within days of being elected leader.
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Aidan_702 posted:Just want to say this is both a really good idea and just tragic because we should not be having to do this. I’m in. I mean,t his is essentially what lefttube is already. Getting any kind of meaningful reach needs way more money than you can crowdsource from people who are struggling to make ends meet as it is.
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Chuka Umana posted:Yea cuz there totally wont be any lies and bullshit a second time around. Referenda will continue until behaviour improves.
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Aidan_702 posted:.good billionaire This is literally a contradiction in terms. Good people don't become billionaires, because it's impossible to become a billionaire without exploiting people on a scale no good person would ever consider.
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Bobstar posted:I am now joining the Labour party (should have done so ages ago), is there an exclusion period for voting for the new leader? I voted for Corbyn the first time, but then left the union when I left the industry. Not usually, indeed, the last couple of times have had the (effectively) 'make a one time donation to vote for Labour leader' option. You should get a vote as a member straight off the bat. And it's not like the election is goign to be tomorrow, anyway.
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