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Blockhouse posted:For context he's not the "real" final boss. Arbiter of Fate is. Sephiroth is a one-sided unwinnable stomp fest where he only doesn't kill Cloud because he still needs him to bring the Black Materia to his body in North Crater. With all the talk of time travel and FFXIII, I was thinking the super boss from XIII-2 was here but that's Arbiter of Time.
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Apr 3, 2020 05:39
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What are the odds this bombs so hard they don't even make a Part 2?
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Apr 3, 2020 06:45
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Mywhatacleanturtle posted:The first class edition has been sold out pretty much everywhere for a while now so pretty much none. Sales aren't everything. My poor Metal Gear Solid 2 actually sold more than MGS3 but its infamy is linked to why MGS3 didn't sell as well. So many people were chased off by the horrible word of mouth about it. Bad reviews and fan reaction matter, too.
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Apr 3, 2020 07:19
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VagueRant posted:Original game implies he learns that when he absorbs the knowledge of the ancients in the Lifestream and decides to just use Meteor to become a god instead like a standard jrpg villain. FFVII is a very well-told story but this has been a major complaint of mine for years. The strongest, most memorable bit of characterization Sephiroth has is Nibelheim. Everyone associates him with the idea Jenova is his mom and that he's an Ancient seeking revenge. This is literally his entire justification for going evil. Then next time we see him he just knows everything he went evil for is wrong but doesn't care and now he wants to be a god because reasons. I think this is a big reason people liked the idea Jenova was controlling him. It helps smooth out inconsistencies.
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Apr 5, 2020 07:25
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The Dave posted:Always seemed to me like people don't understand or get confused past "The bad guy is going to destroy the planet, also his mom is a head or something." Capitalism is Bad. I think most people understand that. Cyberpunk is not a genre known for its subtlety. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85cL1HisrNc
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Apr 5, 2020 15:57
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The best FF localizations are FFXII and FFXV.
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Apr 6, 2020 09:51
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Wait, was the report of nobody dying from the plate crash in the remake false?
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Apr 6, 2020 11:53
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Endorph posted:I think, more than anything, this is the action that best preserves FF7. A full-on remake, even with a few changes, would have basically replaced the original FF7, the same way nobody really plays the original NES FF1 anymore, they play one of the myriads of remakes or ports. Obviously there's people who do, but if a fifteen year old goes up to you and asks which version of FF1 to play because they wanna experience the starting point for their favorite MMO, FF14, you aren't gonna tell them to play the original NES game. FF1's remakes have improved the gameplay, not completely changed it. FFVIIR could be the greatest game of all time and a 1:1 recrreation in terms of story but I don't like the new combat and miss the original turn-based gameplay. As such, it can't ever truly replace FFVII. I'm not digging on the game, just saying my preferences.
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Apr 7, 2020 11:37
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Mechafunkzilla posted:Sephiroth dropping down to stab Aeris only to get homerun derby'd by a buster sword is exactly what the world needs right now https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vvkssNx5oc&t=128s
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Apr 7, 2020 19:48
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Dexo posted:I'm putting my bet on you saving her. and things completely going to poo poo afterwards. Like she doesn't finish calling Holy. Truly this is the Rebuild of Final Fantasy VII.
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Apr 7, 2020 20:32
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51az0LDdnvE Why are FF games afraid of massages? This was a gag in FFXV, too. It's cute, I just don't understand it.
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Apr 7, 2020 21:47
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Freakazoid_ posted:It just occurred to me that this game isn't called Final Fantasy 7, it's called Remake. Did they replace his actual original theme? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rV40ypje7o
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Apr 7, 2020 22:14
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While I understand the logic of "everybody knows Sephiroth in 2020 so why bother to maintain an air of mystery for several hours," his being all over the game kinda is annoying. The point of Midgar is the same point you see in drat near every FF game. From King Baron to Gestahl to Shinra to Deling to Brahne, the first "act" is about an Evil Empire but gradually the empire is either revealed to be the pawn of the Real Villain or are forced to be second fiddle to that Real Villain. Midgar impresses upon you Shinra's might and depravity only to reveal at the end that they are absolutely NOTHING compared to Sephiroth.. But who is Sephiroth? We just know his power and that he trivialized the guys who were already beating us. But here, he's just...in everything from the very beginning. Don't really like that change. Overall the game gives me some FFXV vibes with an emphasis on light-hearted character interactions while the Plot is just kinda there in the background. Only I'm not sure if I find the interactions as endearing here.
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Apr 11, 2020 14:09
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Rageaholic posted:Oh wow Asema posted:do what I'm about to do: buy the original on steam and beat it Also use mods if you are interested enough http://forums.qhimm.com/index.php
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Apr 13, 2020 23:25
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So there's definitely a lot more story to tell in the next part!
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Zack is a nobody who was never loved by Aeith, got owned off-screen by Sephiroth in five seconds and then died to two Shinra mooks.
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Apr 13, 2020 23:38
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ImpAtom posted:This isn't even true if you only play the original FF7. It absolutely is, every word of it. 1. Aerith always maintains she never had deep feelings for Zack, 2. When we see the real flashback it's just him running into the Jenova room and then flying out defeated like a scrub a few seconds later and 3. He dies getting pumped full of lead by a Shinra grunt.
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Apr 14, 2020 04:17
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Funky Valentine posted:The name "Grimoire Valentine" alone should be a sign that Dirge is a burning trash fire. Is that really worse than Cloud Strife? People just get used to some dumb names while others they remain hostile to. It reflects more on how they view the games the characters are from rather than the names themselves, in my experience.
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Apr 14, 2020 15:32
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CottonWolf posted:Dirge is a disaster, but Grimoire Valentine owns as a name and you won't convince me otherwise. DoC also can invoke the standard JRPG defense of "at least the music was good." As for fans not wanting things to change, it depends on what changes you mean. We've now defeated teh ghosts of FFVII Past and been saturated with scenes of Aerith dying. Does this mean she won't die? I don't think people getting mad at her living is a sign of pettiness since that is one of the things that made FFVII special.
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Apr 14, 2020 16:38
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Harrow posted:This is what I'm thinking, because Aerith absolutely seems to know things about the future but she also wants you to defeat the Whispers so the group is free to challenge their fate. One of the things that confused me about some of the trailers was how knowledgeable Aerith was. In original FFVII she didn't know much before leading Midgar and her character development is about her discovering her identity and becoming wiser. I guess if she can see the future this accounts for her starting off so much further than she did originally.
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Apr 14, 2020 19:42
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:FF7R: Part 2 will mirror Mass Effect 2 and you can save (or kill) none to all of your party by the end. Send Cait Sith to be the second squad leader as he's so trustworthy and has ample experience as a battle commander. Barret goes in the vents to do hacking.
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Apr 14, 2020 20:08
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HD DAD posted:They should go back to one of their original ideas of Aerith and Sephiroth being lovers. I would actually like this. It be very daring.
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Apr 16, 2020 20:50
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DemoneeHo posted:FFVIIR-2 will be about Tifa and Aerith finding themselves in an alternate timeline with no Cloud in sight. They'll go on a journey to find him, only for Sephiroth to succeed in his goal to become god and kill everyone. Sephiroth wishes he was as awesome as Caius. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vq_QGAAUbzE
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Apr 17, 2020 17:56
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I heard they removed Rufus' entire intro speech about ruling the world with fear instead of money. What is even his characterization now?
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Apr 18, 2020 19:24
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I think FFXV has to be one of the only recent JRPGs to say Destiny is Good. FFXIII and FFVIIR are both apparently very much on the gently caress Destiny train. Maybe the Planet will decide Humans are a disease that needs to be wiped out in this timeline. It was considering it last time and maybe only Aerith puting in a vote for us saved everyone.
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Apr 18, 2020 22:15
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Proteus Jones posted:I was going to jump to X/X-2. I last played VIII when it first came out and I never did finish it. If it's worth my time, it looks like it's cheap enough to pick up if people think it's worth the time. FFX was the best FF game of all time. X-2 is nowhere near as good but as long as you go in with the mindset that literally nothing about the game is the same as X except re-used environments, it's okay.
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Apr 19, 2020 00:44
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Temperatures have fluctuating power in Spira. I always remember how Tidus was freezing to death and needed a fire in the beginning but by the end he's hiking up snow-covered mountains. This is to say nothing of Rikku's outfit in those same freezing temperatures.
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Apr 19, 2020 03:10
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It's possible that whatever magic was used to create the people of Dream Zanarkand made them not think about "what's out there." They think and feel and exist like regular Spirans but there is apparently some fine distinction between them and normal people and that might include limiting their desires or thoughts that stray beyond Zanarkand.
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Apr 19, 2020 04:45
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Apr 19, 2020 20:29
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guts and bolts posted:FF7R has cemented itself as probably my favorite game of this console generation. I need intervention. Somebody convince me to play Animal Crossing and RE3make again, because I'm now probably hopelessly behind in Resistance and my island has descended into Lord of the Flies madness. Well, for starters, it was always apparent Aerith loved Cloud for Cloud. She saw some of Zack in him but Cloud is rally nothing like Zack at all. They have glowing eyes and were "in SOLDIER" and...that's it. Their personalities are totally different, especially during Disk 1 when Cloud and Aerith were together. She also always insisted she never had any special feelings for Zack but people like to ignore that for some reason. Anyway, why Cloud and Aerith? Well Cloud's own mother said he needed an older woman to take care of him. Tifa is very co-dependent and is the one who needs to be taken care of. Aerith is also just a much more interesting character and with the possibility she will actually live, that is a huge game changer for the Clerith ship. Cloud and Tifa only became kind of a thing because Aerith died. Also the fortune telling robot cat spy said Cloud and Aerith were perfect for each other. I think that conclusively settles the matter.
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Apr 20, 2020 03:03
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guts and bolts posted:This post is too anti-Tifa to be accurately counted, but it will be taken into consideration. I wonder what it says about me that I find Tifa's borderline co-dependent attitude, especially in the original FF7, equal turns heartbreaking and adorable. That... that isn't good. Funny thing is, when I first played FFVII back in 2002, I was totally pro-Tifa. I was almost glad when Aerith died because all signs pointed to her and Cloud being together. But then she died and Tifa got promoted to main female character. I can make the same arguments that made Tifa alluring to me back then. Young Cloud having a crush on her and going off to be a SOLDIER man because he wanted to impress her. The fact Tifa's love for him has not wavered one bit over many, many years. How she stands by him even when it looks like he'll be a vegetable forever. I don't know why I became so much more pro-Aerith with age. I still love a lot of the same characters I used to growing up. I still love Elly from Xenogears and she's even more co-dependent than Tifa in a way. Her and Fei are cosmically codependent Maybe it's the tragic element. It's seductive - the person Cloud can't be with is the one you want him with most of all.
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Apr 20, 2020 03:41
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There was definitely bits of confusion in the fandom back in the day and I only got online and started talking with people about this kinda thing in 2003 so I was a bit late to the party. People thought Vincent was a vampire. People thought Sephiroth was an Ancient People thought Cloud was actually something Hojo made in a lab. These were the big misconceptions I remember encountering a fair bit. I even bought into them at one point, I think. It's been a long time. I know I was an adamant supporter of the idea Jenova controlled Sephiroth for many, many years. This I'm not sure if it should be categorized as misunderstanding or just....I dunno. I should mention that none of this is really unusual. There were all sorts of misunderstandings in the FF community. People who thought Sorceresses in FFVIII were immortal which led to R=U. Or thinking that Sin was gone for ten years in FFX. Or we missed that Vivi was dead at the end of FFIX. That one never crossed my mind until long, long after I first beat the game.
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Apr 20, 2020 10:18
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The earlier comparison to MGS2 was apt. MGS2 being what it was isn't really such an out-there evolution of Metal Gear and it was also really well done. Final Fantasy has never shown any interest in this kind of meta narrative and I can understand why it annoys people who just wanted a good, straight story like the original game.
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Apr 20, 2020 20:59
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Just Andi Now posted:Realtalk, if they called this game FFVII-2, everyone would be completely confused because the game is literally just FFVII but more for 95% of its runtime. It's the Rebuild of Final Fantasy VII.
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Apr 20, 2020 22:00
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Go full Chrono Cross where our heroes loving up the timeline has resulted in Shinra being more of a threat than Sephiroth. They conquer the world while our heroes are off trying to deal with Seph. OG Shinra was basically Dalton.
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Apr 20, 2020 22:55
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FFVIII was not really interested in politics. Rinoa and her freedom fighter group was a preamble to a narrative that has gently caress-all to do with such mundane politics. gently caress, everything on Disk 1 is basically ignored. Rinoa and her general father have a strained relationship? Who cares! No need to further develop that or mend the fences. Rinoa has a hunky soldier boyfriend and what else does a girl need.
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Apr 21, 2020 00:26
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Flopsy posted:I heard somewhere that the love story in FF8 was heavily influenced by shoujo manga which was a flourishing genre at the time and you know what? It shows. Thank loving God they didn't take their cues from Hot Gimmick though. Shojo manga is as diverse as any other demographic-based manga. You got Hot Gimmicks but then you also get Fushigi Yuugi. FY had its issues but it's nothing like HG. Tamahome was very warm and loving. Some girls are into the cold, aloof jerk boyfriend but many others aren't.
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Apr 21, 2020 01:53
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homeless snail posted:The plate drop is maybe one of the biggest acts of mass murder depicted in video games. Better be one hell of a redemption arc I mean...I guess in some super relative way where you take into consideration all video games ever but it seemed like a very standard My Village Is Destroyed start of RPG. Is Sector 7 super way bigger in the Remake?
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Apr 21, 2020 03:13
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Harrow posted:I've started replaying FFX and now I'm thinking about how often this series likes to go back to the same setting element/thematic well repeatedly in successive entries in the series. For like the whole PS1 era into the PS2 era, every installment in the main Final Fantasy series had a ton of stuff about memories being passed on after you die, an afterlife where souls return to the planet (and are potentially reborn), and even two of them have either that afterlife or a byproduct of it used to power technology (VII with mako and IX with mist) and possibly also giving rise to monsters (VII and IX's mako and mist monsters, and X's fiends). VII and X also share the idea of memory and power being stored in crystal orbs that are ubiquitous and come in both naturally-occurring and manufactured forms. I mentioned this just yesterday but FFXV is unique in that it has a Pro Destiny message. This has been absent since like, FF3 where the Crystals chose their fated warriors to save the world. Since then it's been a lot of Fighting Fate. FFXIII even had a song titled that. FFXV alone says that Fate is pretty cool, if tragic.
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