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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

meet girls at the store posted:

they’re scrambling to do contact tracing for the breakfast party

It's just an arrow pointing at the word "lmao"

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Alright HCWs who got vaxxed in January listen up, your vax doesn't work for poo poo anymore and it's the Delta wave so this is the worst situation imaginable to be in without a booster.

So you can get one in four to eight weeks.

Get the gently caress outta here.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Lovelyn posted:

Horrifying work story about proning:


We have 5 patients on proning rotations on the floor today. Our proning schedule is 16 hours proned, 8 hours supined/side-lying. I was helping the team when one shared a story about a patient who was proned and was lying on his dick. It went ischemic (lost blood flow) and he had 2/3 of his dick and his nuts amputated. Helluva thing to wake up to after being sedated for days/weeks.


Um excuse me that's having your dick and balls amputated WITH covid not having your dick and balls amputated FROM covid

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

mod sassinator posted:

also holy hell, one quarter of US ICU beds are COVID patients right now :stare: i'm sure that's perfectly sustainable and fine

I live in one of the most vaccinated places in the country and we just broke out 1-day hospitalization record. Let me just check what the top stories on our local newsmedia are.
-Afghans live here and hate the Taliban
-Wow a lot of Alaska Airlines employees are dying of covid, that's weird since covid is over right
-Court overturns deceptive practices lawsuit finding against local chain of thrift stores

yup

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

mod sassinator posted:

what in the gently caress is biden going to do when 95% of ICUs are full period.

will he even show his face on TV?

(comedy option he will be on the vent too with a breakthrough case by that point)

They're going to have him showering in MABs and sitting on a chair made of booster needles, he's not getting sick.

He's also going to blame Trump I bet even though Delta is effectively a brand new pandemic that started in India on his watch.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Kreeblah posted:

Some of their brunch buddies must have gotten tubed or something. Suddenly, COVID is real again because it impacted somebody they know.

The whiplash this time is going to be ridiculously fast because of how out of control fast Delta outbreaks blow up. We went from almost literally "covid is over" to the worst outbreak of the entire pandemic here in something like five weeks.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Kreeblah posted:

Yeah. I was starting to get questions from folks like two months ago about when I was gonna start doing poo poo in public again, and I told them I'd see how things went over the winter since I figured we'd have some horrific wave by then; I actually didn't expect us to have the entire country on fire so soon.

I really hoped I was being too cautious, but I didn't see any way we weren't going to eventually be crushed by the Modi variant. Vaccination rates have slowed to nearly nothing, most people had burned their masks, we were opening Biden, etc. And little of any of that has changed.

I thought this was going to pop off bigtime in a couple weeks when school started here but once again being the most pessimistic person I know is not nearly pessimistic enough.

Stereotype posted:

anyway everyone is insane and we're watching a nation commit suicide

But it's like a coward suicide where we just maim the next generation while we pretend everything's fine and nothing's wrong.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

McNugget Buddy posted:

Seems like everything starts going to poo poo 4 months after the second dose

It's a good thing there isn't any segment of critical life-saving workers that all got their doses eight months ago and who we need to not get sick in the next month.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Dunno why people are that worried about Jay Inslee's weak as poo poo mask "mandate" when Delta isn't slowing down for anything short of closures of schools and businesses. It's like being worried that a pair of water wings isn't as good as a life jacket as a five thousand foot tall wall of water crests above you.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


they're doing delta in your welcome packet now

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

mod sassinator posted:

fauci flapping his jaws about boosters: https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news/video/dr-fauci-on-effectiveness-of-vaccine-booster-118989381977

lol he says we don't need a 4th shot after this one, that ~~the data~~ shows a third shot is good enough

a whole lot of non-answers otherwise

These loving people and their dead-rear end certain-sounding voices as they say these things based on loving nothing.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

DesertIslandHermit posted:

It wouldn't surprise me either if our country goes full Nazi Germany and blames the long covid people for not working hard or being a burden on medical care.

lol i still have the capacity to be shocked and disgusted, this is definitely going to happen

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Harik posted:

so the gigantic fuckup here is that you assume CFR is constant at any rate when in reality there's this thing i like to call the brick wall effect where you're just cruising along just fine with "acceptable" (to shitheaded death cultists) fatalities until you hit the point that you don't have the capacity to treat any more critically ill and whoops you run headfirst into the wall and splatter your brains out in a vertical brick wall of death

also fun that you don't have to have all the cases at once, just as long as they're regional in time it overwhelms that regions resources because an avaliable pediactric ICU bed 500 miles away doesnt do you any good where you are

theres only been 5 days of school here in my garbage florida county, in the first two days half the schools in the district had positive cases and quarantines. by day 5 we got the note that our kid was exposed and welp that's it for in person schooling until this is all over.

and meanwhile we ban discussion along the lines of "i'd absolutely kill hitler" because an enormous number of deaths is a statistic but one monster getting merced is a tragedy

Yeah something else to keep in mind is that kids don't get as sick as often and bounce back with hospitalization more than old people do but

The hospital and ICU capacity for kids is comparatively tiny. So if kids do start getting hospitalized in greater numbers, the quality of care goes in the toilet much, much faster. And we have almost no experience treating severe covid in kids because it didn't really happen before Delta.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Silver Nitrate posted:

Any advice on dealing with an employer that won’t let staff wear anything other than provided surgical masks? Friend was told they could not wear a better mask under their surgical mask. It’s a job with a lot of exposure to the mostly unmasked public. Employer wants everyone to match.

How would you react to someone putting a gun to your head?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


"ITS ENDEMIC@!!!!@@"

"endemic" is an observational description for a disease with an Re that averages to 1

This isn't that and frankly anyone saying it is is spreading misinformation that will (and already has) gotten people killed

People really, really want to conflate "it's not going away" with "it's fine" like if you just keep saying "he's just like that" about your pitbull that kills kids, that makes it ok

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Nocturtle posted:

A time capsule of the kind of thinking prevalent in liberal circles as the country ran off the cliff Wile E Coyote style.

Literally wrote those words as India ran out of firewood to burn their dead

Just a cavalcade of the stupidest failson motherfuckers alive getting paid to tell us what to think

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Stereotype posted:

honestly covid spreads super close to how miasma is described and if people thought about it as an inescapable cloud wafting from infected people we'd probably have rules that make more sense. right now the rules address some weird mixture between a disease that spreads like food poisoning and one that spreads exclusively by macroscopic saliva molecules that travel in perfectly straight lines.

I was literally shouted out of the bad forum last year, April or May by multiple people who used the "sounds like someone didn't learn miasma isn't real :smug:" move because I saying all the goofy rear end just-so explanations for how surface contamination was supposed to explain unlikely chains of transmission like "only touching the same button in an elevator could explain this" or "the passengers in the front and back row must have touched the same handrail on that bus!" were much more easily explained by persistent aerosols and that everyone should be wearing n95s.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Stereotype posted:

when i was on a plane recently the ground power on the plane was hosed up, so the A/C was off while everyone was boarding up until we got pushed back and the engines turned on. The in-flight entertainment kept bombarding me with this propaganda that the ARMY had tested planes to see if covid would spread in the tightly packed enclosed metal tube and it wouldn't ever, it was completely 100% impossible, because of the high power air filtration system. I kept thinking about that half hour where we all sat on the plane and the air filtration wasn't on, and we were just breathing in each other's farts and covid miasma. I bet they didn't test that edge case.

yeah the authors of that study actually had a couple of things to say about the way it's been used by the airline industry

quote:

After seeing some initial reactions to the study, the authors of this study are concerned about the
potential misinterpretation of the findings, based on some hypothetical calculations originally included
as discussion points. In particular, the viral aerosol production rates, infectious dose and general
assumptions used to estimate a flight time of 54 hours to produce an infection are hypothetical and
were not designed to provide actionable information about viral risk during flight, safe flight times or
seating capacity.
As described in the report, the assumption of 4000 virions/hour is based exhaled breath studies of other
human coronaviruses [1], and idealized estimates derived from studies of SARS-CoV-2 aerosol in patient
rooms [2,3]. While the number is reasonable given the context of Leung et al., it is not meant to be
representative of the range of possible source terms. For instance, Jianxin et al.[4] report estimates of
1.03 × 105
to 2.25 × 107 virus/hour produced by infected individuals in exhaled breath. In more closely
examining the range, however, it is clear these estimates were derived from 14 of the 52 individuals
studied, and that the other individuals had no detectable virus in their exhaled breath. It is also critical
to note that all of the estimates of virus in exhaled breath are based on viral RNA copy numbers derived
from rRT-PCR, not infectious virus. While on the face of it, it may appear reasonable to estimate
concentrations of infectious virus using RNA copy data, the relationship is likely more complex. For
instance, La Scola et al. [5] were unable to isolate infectious virus from nasal pharyngeal samples with a
Ct greater than 34 for the E gene of SARS-CoV-2. . Fabian et al. [6] found that laboratory stocks of
influenza virus had a RNA copy to infectious virus ratio of 300, when comparing RT-PCR results to tissue
culture. SARS-CoV-2 grown in Vero E6 cells also shows many RNA copies per pfu (Santarpia unpublished
data). Therefore, determining infection risk from viral RNA copies is not currently possible.
The infectious dose of SARS-CoV-2 in humans is also unknown. There are a number of studies that
attempt to estimate it (e.g. . Basu, 2020; Schröder, 2020, Watanabe, et al. 2010), and several studies of
infections in animals (e.g. Ryan, et al. 2020), but no current study determines an infectious dose in any
species, much less humans
Finally, the data in this study is relevant only to a single mode of transmission: aerosol. Contact
transmission and droplet transmission are not considered. Furthermore, the impact of human behavior
on aerosol transport in the airframe was not considered. Movement of people up and down the aisles,
or even simply the act of turning your head to talk to your neighbor could not be considered. Human
actions have been shown to significantly contribute to aerosol movement in the built environment (e.g.
Wang and Chow [7]), and therefore the results of this study represent a baseline understanding of how
the aircraft air-handling systems impact the transport of aerosols throughout the aircraft.
Taken in context, the data from this study indicate that the airplane environment significantly reduces
the exposure to aerosol generated by passengers, especially compared to other indoor environments.
However, the current established scientific understanding of SARS-CoV-2 transmission dynamics is not
sufficient to calculate definitive SARS-CoV-2 transmission risk from these measurements of aerosol
transport.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


christ i thought i was being paranoid buying a couple kits when there was a glut, just in case.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

The thirst of chuds and liberals to trade lives for number is really unquenchable isn't it

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

super sweet best pal posted:

Absorb all the doom and spread it to everyone around you.

naturally occurring doom miasma

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

strange feelings re Daisy posted:

Are they just going to let everyone die

No, they're going to force everyone to die.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Chamale posted:

"source?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EISWIY9bG8

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003


Wait you're telling me they tested what's 500k people who had no personal reason to get a test that day and over 2% of them had covid? Simultaneously?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Blackhawk posted:

Yeah so it's unlikely to get significantly more lethal, but it's just as unlikely to get significantly less lethal and it's also not going anywhere. So the end result is just getting covid and the probability of death or long-term health impacts becomes a fact of life that everyone on the planet has to deal with? Like the cold you get a few times a year except every time you roll the dice for cheese lung? Living past 70 becomes significantly less common, people with compromised immune systems get to measure their remaining lifespan in single-digit years etc. Pretty cool lol.

Only true if you don't wear a respirator and eye protection every moment you're outside your home for the rest of your life

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Dunno why everyone is upset about the idea of having to wear PPE forever, out of control wildfires were going to make that necessary anyway and you can still do the sundress challenge in an HF800 so what's the problem

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

McNugget Buddy posted:

America pushed contact-tracing updates to all iOS and Android phones last year and had masks ready to be shipped to everyone in America, but they made every state build its own contact-tracing app (and most never did or took too long for it to be effective) and Jared vetoed the mask mailing

We stared success in the face then said "nah"

The sign of how deep the rot is, is that this crisis could have been resolved with the two things that the US has generally been successful at in the last century:
1) Internally-targeted propaganda and carceral punishment for the non-compliant
2) Mass manufacturing

Manufacture a trillion masks, propagandize everyone to wear them, punish anyone who disagrees. We didn't need vaccines, more doctors, advanced therapies, whatever. We just needed a diaper on every face.

America hasn't resolved a crisis since the civil war that wasn't amenable to being solved with those two things but now even those two things are broken.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

skewetoo posted:

LMFAO we're just getting started

Listen you're bad for pointing out that liberals are getting tens of thousands of people killed as we speak and also bad for laughing at chuds who got themselves killed personally

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

This is a good episode of Death Panel.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

T-Paine posted:

another good thing about mandatory vaccinations would be a bunch of antivaxxers getting themselves killed by trying to fight it. i mean directly killed, by the national guard or whatever. not indirectly killed, by getting infected, but that's good too.

Are we imagining that we have the Chinese government in this country to carry out this campaign or what

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

PerniciousKnid posted:

What is Death Panel about, generally?

"Stay Alive for Another Week"

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

"Please Get Vaccinated"

*puts on glasses from They Live*

"Your Death is Not My Problem"

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Unoriginal Name posted:

america is a failed state and their government cannot accomplish things, correct

Sure it can. It created tons of value for shareholders.

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Tzen posted:

gently caress yeah

half-mask story time
i went grocery shopping this evening in my hf-803 secure click
as i left the store, an unmasked man was walking towards the entrance
he made eye contact with me and stopped in his tracks, turned around, walked to his car, and put on his lovely surgical mask
lmao better than nothing
i'm_doing_my_part.mp4

Random person on the street not wearing a mask at all asked me where I got my respirator :unsmith:

She's a teacher and is going back to full in person school in a week :smith:

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

paperwind posted:

Holy gently caress this is so good. How the gently caress is anyone (myself included) supposed to trust "the science" anymore when scientists are writing bullshit papers and books that are entirely self-serving?

It's because they're not scientists. MDs aren't scientists. MDs aren't scientists. MDs aren't scientists. And we're not even talking about infectious disease specialist MDs.

You've got a bunch of bullshit artists out there saying follow the science and trust the experts when they themselves are not scientists and are not expertly qualified to speak on epidemiology or public health, but trust me because I'll give you an excuse to put your kid back in school and get back to Applebees.


Not even going to dignify the idea of economists as scientists. Yeah, obviously they want to kill people for number, the entire field of mainstream grant-writing economics is position papers and think pieces that boil down to killing people for number is good actually and furthermore

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Palladium posted:

Academia selling out their principles for money, no one could have seen this coming

What set of principles do you imagine a graduate of the Harvard school of economics who then went to teach at the Chicago school of business and then later the Brown school of economics had that they then sold out on in order to make money?

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Fix posted:

Just concerned when a new media source enters the circle and people talk positively about it or as if it were expert without listening to it.

dogg you don't need to be an expert to dunk on emily oster's academic work and media presence, it's like punching a baby

a baby with the blood of hundreds of kids on its hands though

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

mawarannahr posted:

nothing has actually changed with regard to normal procedures for getting a transplant, which always include preconditions relating to the recipient’s ability to accommodate and care for the new organ. you might say this is evidence of it being systemically discriminatory overall, but nothing new has been introduced, nobody has made any signs about killing people, and hospitals aren’t mad at you (wtf?)

The quoted tweet was about denying care entirely though

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Delta-Wye posted:

"better things aren't possible" meanwhile china is just truckin' along. gg everyone, was a nice empire while it lasted

"better things aren't possible" while obvious counter-examples exist elsewhere has been the neoliberal take for literally everything from electoral process to healthcare to social services to tax structure to building codes to labor law to

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Biowarfare posted:

the most ridiculous take that i see frequently is "that will never work in america, we have minorities"

Well yeah, America has all these ethnic and religious minorities that don't get along with each other or trust the state while China-

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