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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Biden knows what the DPA is?

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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:

democrats are eligible to apply for my vote if they address material conditions in under-served communities (i.e. all of america) for a period of at least 3 consecutive congressional terms. strangely none have so applied so I can only assume they don't have enough skin in the game to get my vote. they can send all the hyperventilating emails and texts they want but the system clearly works

Also, you can't just give them your vote. That would destroy their incentive to work.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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I'm trying to figure out which of these would give shitlibs the most coronaries:

  • I'd love to vote for the Democrats, but their supporters are just so vile and emotionally abusive. *waits 1 nanosecond* Yeah, see? You gave me a great example right there, BidenSuperfan1488.
  • The President and Speaker of the House both say that we need a strong Republican party. If anybody would know, they would. What are your credentials here?
  • I'm sure you know that nobody believes voting is important more than I do, but it's just not the right time. I need to build my voting capital. Sit tight and maybe it'll make my agenda in 2024.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:

Some I have used that have gotten me some furious lectures:
"Thinking about it, Trump actually did a lot for me and even got me those checks pretty quick. He also got that vaccine for COVID out really quick. Didn't start any new wars. Overall he was pretty good, I'd say."

"What are all those policies you didn't like that Trump was doing? Kids are still in cages, we're still deporting would be immigrants, we're increasing police funding. If Democrats are powerless to stop Republicam policies, seems like the Republicans are really good at making policy, maybe they should be in charge. They know how the system works."

"I want to let the process play out and see what the American people decide before I make my call."

"If Biden really is The Most Progressive President in American History, looking at his approval ratings, it looks like progressive policies really are deeply unpopular and we should embrace Republican policies since they embody what Americans really want."

"You and the party elders have repeatedly said you don't want me to vote for you. You think you're entitled to my vote? What do you want next, a pony?"

Feel free to borrow.

I really like that last one. I tend to have the most fun when I pit their bootlicking/scolding nature against itself.

Shear Modulus posted:

a better question than how is biden's approval rating lower than trump's, is how is biden's approval rating as high as it is? does 35% of the country really think he's doing a good job?

I haven't looked at how that lines up with who they polled, but it wouldn't surprise me at all if a good chunk of that 35% is hardcore Blue MAGA people who just don't want people to think he's doing a bad job, even if they, themselves, do.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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fast cars loose anus posted:

It's genuinely hard for me to understand that reaction of "well the overall economy is doing great!" when the complaining person is saying "high gas and food prices are making my life much harder"

The first thing doesn't in any way address the second thing so why are you bringing it up?

One of the core pillars of the party is gaslighting people by whatever means they think they can. This poo poo is just more of that.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Complications posted:

the defense production act alone basically lets the president nationalize any business they want to for as long as the need lasts without so much as a by your leave

i can't be assed to look up what other arbitrary nonsense the president can get up to with nothing more than a few words to an intern to make an order and a few strokes of a pen because, frankly, lol and lmao

Yeah, the DPA could be used for a lot of good poo poo. I'm not an attorney, but as near as I can figure, any president could end the housing crisis with the stroke of a pen by using eminent domain to forcibly acquire empty properties/AirBnBs, then use the DPA to force developers to redevelop them into denser housing and ignore zoning poo poo since federal law trumps state and local law.

But we live in a neoliberal hellworld, so anything that's actually good is never gonna happen.

Kreeblah
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Shear Modulus posted:

They could have convinced people it was a big deal if they had done something about it then and not just sat on their asses for 18 months

If it had been an even vaguely left group, the ones who managed to survive the barrage from the cops out front (instead of being escorted into the building) would probably have found themselves handcuffed, with bags over their heads, and on the first flight to Guantanamo Bay the next day.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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fast cars loose anus posted:

I mean, besides Biden, are Machin and Sinema somehow not the face of the Dems at the moment? Even if you're only ever in the press because you're the x in "x blocks legislation" you're still in the press

There's also Pelosi when she's punching left and/or sundowning.

Schumer's basically a non-entity at this point, though.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Jesus Christ. His brain's even further gone than I thought. What the gently caress was that?

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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mediaphage posted:

Harris/Cheney 2024

Think bigger. Clinton/Cheney 2024. Reaching across the aisle to bring America together.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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yellowcar posted:

lol they're really think that the dems are gonna get destroyed if they don't cancel games and scold people to go out to vote

Joke's on them. The Dems are gonna get destroyed anyway.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Watch Biden manage to lose the PMC as well.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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docbeard posted:

That may be the worst excuse since Alex Jones's amnesia chili

I especially love that it implies that Biden was sundowning when he said it.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Platystemon posted:

So the president didn’t really mean the thing that his HHS secretary backed him up on?

lol

That depends. Is it politically expedient for him to have meant it in the context of whoever is doing the interview at the moment?

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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I really wonder whether they'll even bother mentioning abortion at all (outside of fundraising requests) in 2024 or after. I'm guessing no.

They'll probably ramp up making GBS threads on trans people in the meantime, too, in the pursuit of that mythical "moderate" Republican.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Like they actually ever read any of the poo poo they vote on.

This thing's getting killed the nanosecond doing so can't piss people off for midterm voting (because it's over).

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Zvahl posted:

hasn't stopped him from personally bothering me despite living in another state

Same. I'm not in Wisconsin, either, but I just got this insane poo poo:

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Hi Realname! Inflation hurts. Yet Trump Republicans do nothing, while Democrats passed a law creating millions of jobs! *Register to vote* for progress - Mandela Barnes & Gov. Tony Evers! ft6.us/WIreg (Deadline: 10/19! Or register/vote in person at your municipal clerk 10/25-11/4 or polls on Election Day 11/8.)

For folks who don't follow econ poo poo, Biden's pick to lead the Fed has hammered repeatedly on his bullshit theory that the only way to get inflation to go down is to jack up interest rates to force a recession to get businesses to eliminate a bunch of jobs to force unemployment to go way up (he explicitly says that labor has too much bargaining power, which must be weakened in order to drive wages down). But, no, let's talk about how much inflation sucks and then immediately start crowing about how the Dems have supposedly been creating a bunch of jobs.

They can't even keep their gaslighting straight for two loving sentences right after one another. This party is beyond incompetent.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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MLSM posted:

The hilarity of the fallout on the internet afterwords is gonna be some top shelf stuff

Gonna be fun to watch when it turns out that all the polls were way too optimistic about Dem performance and, oops, I guess those likely Dem voters decided not to show up after getting the rug pulled out from under them one too many times by Team Blue.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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really queer Christmas posted:

I'm not gonna vote

I'm gonna vote, but my plan is to basically cast a protest vote for everything. It costs me next to nothing to take a few minutes to do that in the comfort of my own home, and probably helps piss off some pollster with the Dems seeing people care enough to show up to vote, but think their candidate is too poo poo to vote for.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Willa Rogers posted:

Add this to the list of Democratic worries ahead of the midterms: Younger voters — a cornerstone of the party’s electoral coalition — make up a smaller share of early and absentee voters so far than they did in 2020.

More than 15 million voters have already cast their midterm ballots, according to the United States Elections Project. But young voters have contributed to a smaller fraction of that turnout compared to this time two years ago, according to interviews and a POLITICO analysis of voter data.

The party has had high hopes that younger voters motivated by the Supreme Court’s scuttling of abortion rights and President Joe Biden’s cancellation of some student debt would turn out in force — and help them to defy losses that the party in power typically suffers in midterm elections. They could still show up to the polls on Election Day. But their disappearance from the ranks of early voters so far puts Democrats at a disadvantage, because the party still has to chase their votes instead of banking them ahead of Nov. 8.

Ah, yes. Doing absolutely nothing about abortion except fundraising and crying about Manchin being a big ol' meanie and then dangling $20k in front of people along with a VOTE message, only to let them see it being ripped away by appointed chudges (who were confirmed in bipartisan votes) right before the election.

Truly a way to make people feel like their vote means anything at all.

Kreeblah
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Losing Washington would be the beginning of the end for the Dems as a national party, and their transformation into some sort of weird rump party. Seattle's packed to the gills with shitlibs, and if they can't even win here, they're basically unviable. I have no idea who would replace them (or whether we'd just live in a straight up theocracy at that point), but it sure wouldn't be the Democrats of today.

Kreeblah
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Grandpa Palpatine posted:

This. The thing is, even if there were a red wave, the Dems would learn nothing. That's why it's so hard to understand why everyone here is hoping for the GOP to dominate -- it's not like the Dems will suddenly start supporting socialists and leftists. It will just solidify the fascists' hold on the government and institutionalize their goddamn platform of hate. Seriously, how the gently caress can you root for that poo poo?

Can't speak for anybody else here, but I very much don't want the GOP to win. I do, however, want the Dems to be destroyed. It sucks rear end that, because of how our political system was designed here, the latter implies the former, but it is what it is.

Thing is, the Dems are going to wither and die at some point anyway. Siding with megadonors over regular folks is not a sustainable strategy in any system where voting can, even theoretically, accomplish things. Eventually, the wheels are gonna come off, and that's what's going on right here, right now. The liches with a deathgrip on the levers of power in the party don't give a gently caress because they're almost dead, but the rest of us are going to have to live with the consequences of their shittiness in selling us out.

Near as I can tell, the only question is how quickly we're gonna get the final loving into fascism, and I don't know that any of us has any control over which it'll end up being. So all I can do is laugh hysterically on the way down or scream into the void as things continue to do what they've done for my entire lived experience: get worse, day by day and year by year.

Kreeblah
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Phone posted:

the dems are capable of Doing Politics, it's just that those politics are fetching the heart attack gun, using house reps as blow off valves, and the Totally Not Coordinated By Obama thinning of the field ahead of super tuesday.

i don't stick my head out these days because it's tiring and trite at this point, but getting yelled at despite voting for clinton in 2016 has been my line in the sand. there's nothing to engage with when you're getting blamed for trump/fascism 2/whatever because you had the gall to point out that biden's pitch was "nothing will fundamentally change". both pelosi and biden up there screaming about how we NEED a strong republican party and bipartisanship is cool and good and my friend and goated with the jugs.

like im painted as the insane and ridiculous nihilist in this situation.

The thing that absolutely loving sends me every time is when they say that the GOP is an existential threat to democracy, freedom, and America, while at the same time talking about how they absolutely need to work in a bipartisan fashion with their good friends, the aforementioned existential threats.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Halloween Jack posted:

I like how the D&D threads are becoming more like their CSPAM counterparts as Election Day approaches.

Got any choice quotes? Or is it just a lot of Wile E. Coyote starting to look down right now?

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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FreeRangeHexagon posted:

you know a month ago the democrats were holding it together enough and the Republicans were doing a good enough job of making themselves unlikeable enough that I actually thought this forums pessimism would be proven wrong, but goddam if the democrats haven't put in the effort since then to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory like they always do. will be interesting to see what happens

Something tells me that people don't like being told that even though they're struggling to afford food and shelter, they're actually doing fine. More than fine, really. Better than ever. And that they have the Democrats to thank for how amazingly fine they're doing.

Kreeblah
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I'm not looking forward to when Washington becomes a swing state. The amount of useless political spam we get here is gonna jump like a million percent. :smith:

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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:eyepop:

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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super sweet best pal posted:

The Democrats need to convince everyone who thinks things are worse than they were four years ago that they can reverse course.

You didn't see news stories every week about airplanes failing under Trump. You didn't see a major bank failing and taking one out of every five tech sector jobs in the aftermath. Ukraine and Gaza weren't under attack and Afghanistan was still under American control. You could buy larger portions of food for less money. The Democrats had control of congress for two years and didn't bother to codify abortion.

All they can do is trot out a few statistics and news articles that might please people who think everything's fine due to survivorship bias but they're leaving huge portions of the country alienated.

People weren't cranking up their credit card debt under eyewatering APRs, either. It's not just food. loving everything that people buy on a day-to-day basis is way more expensive than it was four years ago, including, now, money.

Kreeblah
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super sweet best pal posted:

Don't joke vote, vote for a third party candidate instead. Write them in if they're not on your state's ballot.

This is what I do. My vote's worthless anyway, so I might as well use it to help piss off some Dem partisan.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Coolness Averted posted:

"What are they gonna do, not vote?" -a biden campaign rep shortly before no one votes for biden

I mean we'll see. Americans do have short memories and turned out for Biden in the year his campaign held elderly voters hostage to in person voting until Bernie dropped out.
When it gets closer to November I'm sure there's some number of people who'll blink because orange man will destroy democracy. Enough to rescue the dogshit party again? idk

I could see that. I could also see people forgetting Orange Man Bad (short memories, and it's been four years), especially in light of how poo poo the Dems have been, and just wanting somebody who will at least acknowledge that there's a problem. So, who knows.

At least right now, though, Biden's looking pretty hosed. Turns out people don't like to be told that their problems are just "vibes" and don't actually exist. Plus, y'know, genocide isn't helping things any.

Kreeblah
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really queer Christmas posted:

I recently read a financial article that was talking how young people are still mad at inflation and its all just social media anger because profits couldn't be higher!! Before sheepishly admitting that 80% of Americans said the economy is hurting them greatly.

They also liked to say that inflation is down to 3% so why are people complaining as if prices no longer rising as much erases years of prices going up massively and never going down (while wages are still crawling upwards).

They also never talk about how that 3% usually excludes poo poo people actually buy (food, shelter, energy), how insanely some of that poo poo is even measured (let's ask homeowners how much they think they could get renting their homes out and use that number), and that even if the 3% were real, it's still 3% of a vastly inflated number in the first place.

People are way more hosed than they were four years ago.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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In Training posted:

fwiw the headline CPI 3% does include food, energy and shelter. Energy is crazy volatile though and sometimes drags everything down with -25% MoM seasonal gas changes, shelter is calculated with that moronic Owners Equivalent Rent number. Food is included and idk enough about their basket methodology to say how it's massaged one way or the other but it definitely does just go Up.

Oh, is headline CPI down there? I didn't realize that. I was thinking people were talking about core CPI (AKA the absolutely loving worthless number I usually see the economist idiots yammering about).

Still doesn't help how people are already hosed after massive previous price hikes, though.

And, yeah, I don't know enough about how food's calculated, either, but I'm sure they're massaging the gently caress out of it like everything else.

Basically, economists are assholes. You could have the price of a doughnut go from $1 to $1,000,000 in a year and they'd freak the gently caress out, but then have it go to $1,200,000 the next year and they'd say that everything's great and inflation is solved, so shut up and stop complaining.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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HallelujahLee posted:

energy is a fun one because my energy bill is like 60% higher than 2 years ago but they only crow about gas numbers

It does go the other way, too. I remember one month when the headline CPI number was looking down, except looking into it, a bunch of things were way up (especially food) and heating oil had cratered enough to drag down the whole thing.

Nobody around here uses heating oil. It's just not a thing.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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quote:

Mr. Biden's memory also appeared to have significant limitations--both at the
time he spoke to Zwonitzer in 2017, as evidenced by their recorded conversations, and
today, as evidenced by his recorded interview with our office. Mr. Biden's recorded
conversations with Zwonitzer from 2017 are often painfully slow, with Mr. Eiden
struggling to remember events and straining at times to read and relay his own
notebook entries.

In his interview with our office, Mr. Biden's memory was worse. He did not
remember when he was vice president, forgetting on the first day of the interview
when his term ended ("if it was 2013 - when did I stop being Vice President?"), and
forgetting on the second day of the interview when his term began ("in 2009, am I
still Vice President?"). He did not remember, even within several years, when his
son Beau died. And his memory appeared hazy when describing the Afghanistan
debate that was once so important to him. Among other things, he mistakenly said
he "had a real difference" of opinion with General Karl Eikenberry, when, in fact,
Eikenberry was an ally whom Mr. Eiden cited approvingly in his Thanksgiving memo
to President Obama.

In a case where the government must prove that Mr. Biden knew he had
possession of the classified Afghanistan documents after the vice presidency and
chose to keep those documents, knowing he was violating the law, we expect that at
trial, his attorneys would emphasize these limitations in his recall.

Jesus Christ.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Son of Thunderbeast posted:

I wish they'd stuck to Harry Potter

Same. TERF poo poo is more on-brand for them.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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It's going to be deeply funny when Biden gets steamrolled in the "safe" blue states because he's that much of a blatant piece of poo poo.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Um, excuse me, but I think that you'll find that if you remove all of the polls which are favorable to Trump and therefore FAKE NEWS, Joe Biden is clearly the most beloved president in history. :smug:

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Nichael posted:

Can someone tell me what the platform is of the national Democrat Party?

https://twitter.com/BarackObama/status/1261004586359422979

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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Jesus Christ. That's absolutely loving catastrophic for the Dems, and they're sleepwalking into it because they just can't let go of the idea that there's somehow this secret cache of support for their sundowning genocidist-in-chief. Guess the consultants still get paid either way, though.

I knew Biden was going to be a poo poo president, but I continue to be amazed at just how terrible he is, that he's managed to piss this many people off.

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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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The one thing I have to look forward to with a Trump v. Biden rematch is that Trump is going to be absolutely loving savage about this poo poo and it's going to be hilarious.

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